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  135. # [10:52] <zcorpan> TabAtkins: is the empty string a valid <media-query>? (not <media-query-list>)
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  137. # [11:40] <zcorpan> TabAtkins: why does http://dev.w3.org/csswg/mediaqueries-4/#typedef-media-query have `<media-condition>?` rather than `<media-condition>` ? it seems to me it's equivalent but the question mark is confusing
  138. # [11:40] <SimonSapin> question mark makes it optional, allowing the empty string
  139. # [11:40] <SimonSapin> as far as I can tell
  140. # [11:41] <zcorpan> SimonSapin: but http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-values/#comb-one says one of them must occur
  141. # [11:41] <zcorpan> if the <media-condition> is omitted it does not occur
  142. # [11:41] <SimonSapin> with a question mark, `<media-condition>?` can occur and match the empty string
  143. # [11:42] <zcorpan> that doesn't match my reading of http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-values/#mult-opt :-)
  144. # [11:43] <SimonSapin> Hum. It occurs. Zero times.
  145. # [11:43] <SimonSapin> But I see your point, it’s not very clear
  146. # [11:45] <zcorpan> it also doesn't match impls
  147. # [11:46] <zcorpan> http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/3216
  148. # [11:48] <SimonSapin> the question mark might be a spec bug
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  173. # [15:44] <TabAtkins> Yes, spec bug.
  174. # [15:45] <TabAtkins> MQ3 doesn't allow an empty mq
  175. # [15:46] <TabAtkins> zcorpan: SimonSapin is right re | and ?, you can take one branch and then omit it.
  176. # [15:46] <zcorpan> TabAtkins: ok, thx
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  184. # [16:07] <SteveZ> Zakim, who is on the call?
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  223. # [23:57] <TabAtkins> fantasai: Some Bikeshed tips: use the autolinking facility - do <a for=min-width title=auto>...</a> rather than <a href="#valdef-min-width-min-height-auto">...</a>. It'll link better, and won't throw fatal errors in Bikeshed due to local-link-verification happening *before* dfn-id-generation.
  224. # [23:57] <TabAtkins> Also, never link to issues via their auto-generated IDs, since they'll change as soon as you edit the issue. Give the issue an explicit ID if you're going to manually link to it.
  225. # [23:57] <TabAtkins> (Both of these were caught by Bikeshed's new link verification - I love it when Bikeshed can validly get stricter!)
  226. # Session Close: Wed Oct 01 00:00:00 2014

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