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- # [03:48] <fantasai> dauwhe: Did WebKit implement initial-letter: <size> <sink> or initial-letter: <sink> <size> ?
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- # [04:09] <dauwhe> fantasai: backwards from what it should be
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- # [04:31] <dauwhe_> fantasai: Filing webkit bug now.
- # [04:31] * dauwhe_ which is even scarier than emailing www-style
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- # [05:33] <liam> :-) hope not too scary
- # [05:36] <dauwhe_> liam: I was brave enough to hit "send," but I did ponder for a while.
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- # [19:15] <fantasai> TabAtkins: SMS is failing me, so that would explain why your messages don't make sense.
- # [19:15] <TabAtkins> Interesting.
- # [19:15] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Anyway, I'm set up here with a nice monitor and stuff
- # [19:16] <fantasai> and tea
- # [19:16] <TabAtkins> Cool.
- # [19:16] * fantasai figured caffeine would be useful this morning given tired
- # [19:16] <fantasai> so what technology are we trying this time before falling back to Etherpad? :)
- # [19:17] <TabAtkins> I think we should do a Hangout for talking and Etherpad for sharing text.
- # [19:17] <TabAtkins> but gimme ten minutes
- # [19:17] <fantasai> kk
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- # [19:39] <TabAtkins> whoops, took longer than i thought.
- # [19:39] <TabAtkins> ready now
- # [19:39] <TabAtkins> fantasai: ^^^
- # [19:39] * fantasai waves
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- # [19:43] <TabAtkins> How I do hangouts with you? You have a google account that works for this?
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- # [19:45] <fantasai> I have fantasai@gmail
- # [19:45] * fantasai doesn't do much with it though
- # [19:46] <fantasai> Let me know what to do with it ^_^
- # [19:46] * fantasai is currently experimenting with installing SublimeText2
- # [19:47] <fantasai> TabAtkins: btw, need a DoC for this LC of Counter Styles, too
- # [19:47] <TabAtkins> Do whichever of the options in http://www.google.com/hangouts/ you want, then call my email address.
- # [19:47] <fantasai> TabAtkins: So maybe put one of those together?
- # [19:47] <TabAtkins> Yeah, didn't realize I hadn't made one. There's only one issue. ^_^
- # [19:48] <fantasai> Should be easy then :)
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- # [19:50] <fantasai> okay, I installed the thing in Chromium. Now what?
- # [19:52] <TabAtkins> Then click the green chat mole thinger that shows up in your extensions area.
- # [19:52] <TabAtkins> and then search for my email address and call me
- # [19:52] * fantasai does not see anything green
- # [19:53] * fantasai checks settings. Hangouts is indeed installed and enabled
- # [19:53] * fantasai still can't see anything green, though
- # [19:53] * fantasai has no idea what an extensions area is either
- # [19:53] <TabAtkins> Its to the right of the address bar
- # [19:54] <TabAtkins> But mine also doesn't show up on this computer, though it does at work. hm
- # [19:54] <fantasai> I see a star and a hamburger icon
- # [19:54] <fantasai> on the right
- # [19:54] <fantasai> on the other right, I see the back, forward, reload, and page icons
- # [19:54] <fantasai> :)
- # [19:54] <TabAtkins> Yeah, so there's no extension icons then.
- # [19:54] <TabAtkins> hmmmm
- # [19:55] <TabAtkins> maybe just load up gmail with that address and do it from there, as I actually know the interface there
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- # [20:00] <fantasai> OK. My computer just randomly died, so, need to reboot. :/
- # [20:02] <TabAtkins> yay
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- # [20:16] <fantasai> having trouble with the wireless card
- # [20:16] <fantasai> this might take awhile :/
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- # [20:17] <fantasai> OK, good, it woke up :)
- # [20:18] <fantasai> TabAtkins: what time is your lunch break?
- # [20:18] <TabAtkins> whenever the cleaners come, sometime between now and 2
- # [20:19] <emeyer> Is there a good explanation online somewhere of the readon for the stark difference in the handling degenerate elliptical radial gradients? (http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-images/#degenerate-radials)
- # [20:19] <emeyer> I have suspicions but would like to cofirm or deny.
- # [20:20] <emeyer> s/readon/reason/g
- # [20:20] <emeyer> (Also, “Degenerate Radial Gradients” may be my favorite section heading of all time.)
- # [20:21] * fantasai is pretty sure there's a mailing list or f2f discussion on it on www-style, but doesn't know where that is exactly
- # [20:22] <TabAtkins> emeyer: Because the two clauses are the correct limit behavior as the ellipse becomes degenerate.
- # [20:23] <emeyer> Okay, I'll try to find it there. I’ll gladly take any keyword suggestions for the search.
- # [20:23] <TabAtkins> Handling an ellipse with both dimensions going to zero is unfortunately underdetermined, so it arbitrarily gets captured by the first ellipse clause.
- # [20:24] <TabAtkins> (The correct limit behavior depends on the ratio of the width and height as they approach zero, which is unknown in this case because we're trying to render something whose width and height are *already* zero.)
- # [20:24] <TabAtkins> emeyer: Just work through an example rendering of an ellipse with a super huge width and small height, or vice versa. You'll find it matches what's described there.
- # [20:26] <emeyer> TabAtkins: so it’s because of the way the gradient ray is constructed to the right? Or is that a red herring?
- # [20:26] <TabAtkins> fantasai: Turn off your camera too.
- # [20:26] <TabAtkins> emeyer: Yup, that's it.
- # [20:27] <emeyer> TabAtkins: okay, that makes sense (and was my suspicion). Was there a particular reason to use that method of gradient-ray construction, by the way? Common math practice, or something else?
- # [20:28] <TabAtkins> Had to point the ray somewhere, and "to the right" was as good an answer as any
- # [20:28] <fantasai> Well, it should've been up
- # [20:28] <fantasai> but it was too late
- # [20:28] <fantasai> to change it to match 0deg
- # [20:28] <fantasai> or something
- # [20:31] <TabAtkins> 0deg used to point right
- # [20:31] <Ms2ger> Oh look, that's a name I haven't seen on IRC in a long time
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- # [20:34] <fantasai> https://etherpad.mozilla.org/tab-and-fantasai
- # [20:34] <emeyer> Looks like I’m going to have to rewrite some of how I explain the construction of radial gradients. Live and learn…
- # [20:35] <Ms2ger> emeyer, Firefox should still support userContent.css in the same place as before, I think
- # [20:35] <fantasai> emeyer: http://www.css3.info/angles-in-gradients/ was the feedback that changed 0deg
- # [20:35] <emeyer> Ms2ger: It does; I had it in the wrong place in my initial tests (up one directory). It passes my test now. Thanks!
- # [20:36] <Ms2ger> Np :)
- # [20:36] <emeyer> Ms2ger: Chrome still fails, since it doesn’t support user styles any more and Stylish appears to get cascade resolution wrong. Not sure if that’s directly their fault or not.
- # [20:36] <Ms2ger> Can't speak for either of those
- # [20:37] <TabAtkins> Stylish for Chrome just inserts it as an early author-level style.
- # [20:37] <emeyer> fantasai: Yep, I remember now. Thanks!
- # [20:37] <TabAtkins> And there's nothing they can do about that, because Chrome doesn't have user styles anymore.
- # [20:37] <emeyer> TabAtkins: that does make the behavior make sense.
- # [20:38] <emeyer> That’s one way to resolve the weirdness of user versus author styles…
- # [20:38] <Ms2ger> Must've hurt mobile performance
- # [20:38] * Ms2ger ducks
- # [20:39] <emeyer> Or ad revenues.
- # [20:39] * emeyer whistles innocently
- # [20:39] <TabAtkins> Nah, just *extremely* low usage, and complicates the codebase.
- # [20:39] <TabAtkins> (Ad revenues have not, to my knowledge, ever affected a single decision in Chrome.)
- # [20:40] * dauwhe_ someday we have to figure out user control of ebook styling (fonts, night mode, etc.)
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- # [20:48] <fantasai> dauwhe_: http://www.idpf.org/epub/altss-tags/altss-tags-20110523.html#app-night-version-style-set-tags
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- # [21:08] <emeyer> Is there a way to get a browser to show this as a horizontally mirrored linear gradient?
- # [21:08] <emeyer> radial-gradient(0 100px,purple,gold)
- # [21:09] <emeyer> All I get form that is solid gold, baby.
- # [21:12] <fantasai> why would you expect anything else?
- # [21:12] <emeyer> “This will make the gradient look similar to a horizontal linear gradient that is mirrored across the center of the ellipse.”
- # [21:12] <emeyer> Trying to get it to show that, maybe with background-size to smear it out.
- # [21:12] <fantasai> The purple area is zero-sized
- # [21:13] <fantasai> Isn't it?
- # [21:13] <fantasai> So why would you see it?
- # [21:13] <emeyer> "If the ending shape has zero width (regardless of the height):
- # [21:13] <emeyer> Render as if the ending shape was an ellipse whose height was an arbitrary very large number and whose width was an arbitrary very small number greater than zero. This will make the gradient look similar to a horizontal linear gradient that is mirrored across the center of the ellipse. It also means that all color-stop positions specified with a percentage resolve to ‘0px’."
- # [21:14] <fantasai> So you have two color stops at 0
- # [21:14] <fantasai> purple, then gold
- # [21:14] <fantasai> and gold is the last one
- # [21:14] <TabAtkins> What fantasai said, yes.
- # [21:14] <fantasai> so everything is gold
- # [21:14] <fantasai> no?
- # [21:14] <TabAtkins> Do "gold 50px" and you shoud see something.
- # [21:14] <emeyer> Mmm, because the impllicit last stop is 100%. I see.
- # [21:14] <TabAtkins> The default colorstops, though, are 0% and 100%, which both resolve to 0 in this case, since the width is zero.
- # [21:17] <emeyer> Not getting the epxcted results, actually. Things are… more interesting than that. I'll post a test case shortly to see if I botched anything.
- # [21:19] <TabAtkins> It's very possible that Chrome isn't properly implementing the degeneracy conditions, either. I think I had a TODO from a year or so ago to fix that.
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- # [21:21] <emeyer> TabAtkins: Yeah, it looks like it’s falling down on zero-height ellipses, and not doing the pseudo-linear thing for zero-width ellipses. URL in a minute.
- # [21:22] <emeyer> http://meyerweb.com/eric/css/tests/gradient-radial-degenerate.html
- # [21:23] <TabAtkins> p cool how we just dont' render a gradient at all in the horizontal degenerate case
- # [21:23] <emeyer> Firefox also not doing the pseudo-linear things, but it gets the zero-height apparently correct.
- # [21:32] <glazou> hi emeyer !
- # [21:38] <emeyer> Howdy, glazou.
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- # [22:34] <dauwhe> fantasai: FPWD of IndicRec came out today, with some discussion of initial letters: http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-ilreq-20141216/#first-letter
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- # [22:56] <fantasai> TabAtkins: ping me when ready
- # [22:56] <fantasai> TabAtkins: I got the thing to work, finally
- # [22:56] <TabAtkins> Cool. Walking home now
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- # [23:21] <TabAtkins> fantasai: home now
- # [23:22] <fantasai> kk
- # [23:22] <fantasai> Sync up, you should be able to see the files now
- # [23:23] <TabAtkins> same name?
- # [23:23] <fantasai> btw, did you have a sublime highlighting file or should I be using one of the presets for bikeshed
- # [23:23] <fantasai> yep
- # [23:23] <TabAtkins> Bikeshed has a sublime highlighting file in its repo.
- # [23:23] <TabAtkins> Everything else is terrible.
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- # [23:24] <TabAtkins> (Getting syntax hightlighting to work is the main reason I switched to the .bs file extension; .src.html always pulled in the HTML highlighting by default.)
- # [23:27] * fantasai tries to figure out how to install that
- # [23:27] <TabAtkins> I'm theoretically set up now, but align/Overview.bs is just the string "1060 ".
- # [23:27] <TabAtkins> You have to find your config files and put it in there. Should be guides around.
- # [23:27] <fantasai> I'm seeing the whole thing in the web interface
- # [23:27] <fantasai> https://floobits.com/fantasai/csswg-fantasai/file/css-align/Overview.bs
- # [23:28] <fantasai> which means you should be able to see it there, too.
- # [23:28] <fantasai> Maybe it's choking on local files?
- # [23:28] <fantasai> I deleted/recreated the workspace a few times
- # [23:30] <TabAtkins> okay, i left the workspace and rejoined. Looks good now
- # [23:30] <fantasai> cool
- # [23:30] <TabAtkins> let's see if I can actually see your changes
- # [23:32] <TabAtkins> also apparently i still only have readonly access
- # [23:33] <fantasai> fixed
- # [23:34] <fantasai> okay, so, just so you know, it doesn't sync scrolling afaict
- # [23:37] <fantasai> Line 501
- # [23:37] <TabAtkins> Woah, it just shoved me over to your typing position, so close enough.
- # [23:38] <fantasai> nice
- # [23:39] <fantasai> OK, so I think those ar ethe changes necessary at the moment.
- # [23:40] <fantasai> can you see a dif?
- # [23:40] <TabAtkins> I see your changes as they happen. I can diff manually I guess.
- # [23:42] * fantasai updates the flex section to match improved terms
- # [23:42] <TabAtkins> Huh. For some reason a bunch of unrealted files got modified when I turned on floobits.
- # [23:43] <fantasai> hm, yeah, very buggy
- # [23:43] <fantasai> I'll be careful with diffs
- # [23:43] <fantasai> You should not check anything in from that directory
- # [23:43] * fantasai will report problems
- # [23:43] <TabAtkins> It's my real directory. :/
- # [23:43] <fantasai> ..?
- # [23:43] <fantasai> hg revert the changes
- # [23:43] <fantasai> don't turn it on in your directory
- # [23:44] <fantasai> I think it's having serious problems with line endings and has some bugs with unicode :/
- # [23:44] <TabAtkins> see: every program in the world
- # [23:44] <fantasai> lol
- # [23:45] <fantasai> TabAtkins: sysreq fixed the mercurial repo, btw
- # [23:45] <TabAtkins> excellent
- # [23:46] <fantasai> wow, lots of bikeshed warnings on this spec
- # [23:46] <TabAtkins> what, align?
- # [23:46] <fantasai> ...
- # [23:46] <fantasai> yeah
- # [23:47] * Quits: emeyer (~emeyer@public.cloak) (emeyer)
- # [23:48] <TabAtkins> i get no warnings at all.
- # [23:50] * fantasai updates bikeshed
- # [23:50] <TabAtkins> hey yo, call me
- # [23:50] <fantasai> was just about to :)
- # [23:56] * Quits: dbaron (~dbaron@public.cloak) ("8403864 bytes have been tenured, next gc will be global.")
- # Session Close: Wed Dec 17 00:00:00 2014
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