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  1. # Session Start: Thu Jan 08 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #css
  3. # [00:00] <jcraig> tantek, both Mac OS and Windows have high (or higher) contrast modes
  4. # [00:00] <Florian> jcraig: thanks for the link, though
  5. # [00:00] <tantek> jcraig: usually when I see people abbreviate mfs or MFs it's microformats ;)
  6. # [00:00] <Florian> tantek: MF-> media features
  7. # [00:01] <jcraig> tantek: http://osxdaily.com/2014/10/22/increase-contrast-mac-os-x-yosemite/
  8. # [00:01] <plinss> fantansai: just submitted a PR to fix that bug in Bikeshed
  9. # [00:03] <jcraig> tanktek, right sorry: MQ:MF, not μf
  10. # [00:04] <Florian> jcraig: Tab's back from vacations tomorrow. I'll ping him and see if we can move forward with this. Thanks for the wake up call
  11. # [00:10] <fantasai> plinss: I think you should get write access to bikeshed :)
  12. # [00:10] <plinss> heh, not sure I want it :-)
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  34. # [02:10] <leaverou> dbaron: here?
  35. # [02:10] <dbaron> leaverou, yes
  36. # [02:10] <leaverou> dbaron: are you aware of any workaround for this Gecko bug? http://dabblet.com/gist/606bcd1194957580f2e1
  37. # [02:12] <leaverou> dbaron: basically it looks like it’s not respecting the 25% slice and is not applying stretch
  38. # [02:12] <dbaron> leaverou, is it specific to using SVG as a border-image?
  39. # [02:13] <leaverou> dbaron: haven't tested, but pretty sure it is, as I believe I've used bitmap border images in the past with no such issue
  40. # [02:13] <dbaron> yeah, it was somewhat broken before bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1110496 says it broke more recently
  41. # [02:14] <dbaron> leaverou, My guess is that the only workaround is not using SVG
  42. # [02:14] <leaverou> IE is also broken with this example, but in a different way. I think it's dropping the entire border-image. Maybe it just can't handle non-urlencoded SVGs
  43. # [02:15] <leaverou> *sob*
  44. # [02:17] <leaverou> dbaron: btw Firefox 33 also has this issue, it's not a 34 regression
  45. # [02:19] <dbaron> leaverou, so maybe it's the older problem, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=619500 , or some form of it
  46. # [02:19] <dbaron> leaverou, seth has plans to fix this, but has been busy with other things
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  48. # [02:20] <leaverou> dbaron: thanks. Hope he fixes it before I finish my book :P Guess I’ll post the example in one of those bugs as yet another testcase. It’s not particularly reduced, but isn’t complex either.
  49. # [02:24] <leaverou> dbaron: there is a workaround! Removing viewBox and converting it to width and height fixed it!
  50. # [02:24] <dbaron> leaverou, interesting... I'd have guessed the opposite, but oh well :-)
  51. # [02:25] <leaverou> I’ll reduce it and post it in the 2nd svg bug
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  90. # [06:27] * Topic is 'logs: https://log.csswg.org/irc.w3.org/css/today - 2015-01-07 telcon ; no agenda this week, see w3c-css-wg for explanation'
  91. # [06:27] * Set by glazou on Wed Jan 07 17:26:49
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  116. # [11:01] <jcraig> Florian, thanks for the update. Welcome back, TabAtkins.
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  148. # [15:58] <Florian> I don't understand how the js generated side box for tests in specs work
  149. # [15:58] <Florian> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-ui/ rencently had them, and now they are gone
  150. # [15:58] <Ms2ger> Calling TabAtkins
  151. # [15:58] <Florian> also, after the last batch of edits, they were linking the wrong tests to the wrong section, and I am not sure how to trigger an update
  152. # [16:12] <Florian> hmmm the side boxes are back
  153. # [16:14] <Florian> some of them still point the wrong section to the wrong tests
  154. # [16:14] <plinss> Florian: there was a db issue with the testharness (table deadlock), I cleared it and am looking for a root cause now
  155. # [16:14] <plinss> which ones point to the wrong tests?
  156. # [16:15] <Florian> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-ui/#outline-style -> tests for nav-*
  157. # [16:16] <Florian> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-ui/#keyboard links twice to the correct tests (tests for nav-*)
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  159. # [16:18] <Florian> hmm sorry, the second one may be normal, one is attached to the h3, one to the h4. Looks ugly, but probably not wrong
  160. # [16:23] <Florian> also, http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-ui/#box-sizing links to tests for the resize property
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  163. # [16:47] <plinss> florian: ok, so the issue is that section numbers changed between the draft and the /tr version
  164. # [16:47] <Florian> yes, they have. But are tests linking based on anchors, rather than section numbers?
  165. # [16:48] <Florian> s/are/is/
  166. # [16:48] <plinss> the test links are going to the /tr section number for the same anchor, then the harness is reporting all tests that link to _that_ section
  167. # [16:50] <Florian> so Spec->test links are only guaranteed valid for TR specs, and may point to random things for ED?
  168. # [16:51] <plinss> well, not random, but yeah, it can get confused on drafts at the moment
  169. # [16:51] <plinss> let me give it some thought
  170. # [16:52] <plinss> but it does favor the /tr version at the moment
  171. # [16:52] <Florian> I understand the behavior then
  172. # [16:52] <Florian> even if it isn't ideal
  173. # [16:52] <Florian> Let's just get the spec to TR soon, then :)
  174. # [16:54] <plinss> yeah, keeping /tr up to date fixes a whole lot of issues :-)
  175. # [16:54] <Florian> right. I'm hoping we can get a new LC/CR of css3-ui for Syndey.
  176. # [16:55] <plinss> that’d be nice, so you should publish a new wd before then
  177. # [16:55] <Florian> well, it's already LC. I don't know if we want to go back to WD first, or just cycle in LC
  178. # [16:56] * Ms2ger mumbles something about TR under his breath
  179. # [16:57] <Florian> either way, until Sydney comes closer, I'd rather focus on solving issues than publication strategies. And it is Tantek's area anyway
  180. # [16:57] <plinss> ideally we should switch it to the new process, so that means either going to cr or back to wd
  181. # [16:57] * ed leaverou_away re that svg example of yours, in my experience IE fails on non-urlencoded data uris indeed...
  182. # [16:57] <plinss> given that it hasn’t been updated on /tr for three years… a new wd may be warranted
  183. # [16:58] <Florian> I'm cool with that.
  184. # [16:58] <plinss> so maybe ask for a new wd at the next call, then CR at the f2f?
  185. # [17:01] <Florian> Not really sure when is the best time to do a WD. We've closed a bunch of issues, but there's more left. I'd probably like to wait at least until the resolution on the resize property that got objected to gets resolved one way or another
  186. # [17:01] <Florian> but after than, sure, why not
  187. # [17:02] <plinss> up to you
  188. # [17:02] <Florian> up to tantek really, but that's my take on it
  189. # [17:02] <plinss> well, the plural “you”…
  190. # [17:03] <Florian> so "all y'all", or something like that?
  191. # [17:03] <plinss> exactly
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  196. # [17:41] <plinss> florian: ok, the test annotations are now filtering out draft vs tr sections, so the test links should be acurate now
  197. # [17:41] <Florian> checking
  198. # [17:43] <Florian> seems to work great. thanks
  199. # [17:46] <plinss> no problem
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  248. # [22:55] <fantasai> TabAtkins: ping?
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  253. # [23:18] <tantek> wow: https://medium.com/@dmitriid/w3c-and-whatwg-should-die-a-quick-and-horrible-death-a7cff5e1da8f and https://medium.com/@dmitriid/ok-w3c-and-whatwg-dont-die-but-7952221fcbe4
  254. # [23:18] <tantek> (specifically mostly criticizes CSS and CSSWG)
  255. # [23:18] <tantek> e.g. "Instead of solving real-world problems they play in a nice academical theoretical sandbox, solving non-existing problems."
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  258. # [23:22] <liam> tantek, all it did for me was lower my opinion slightly of medium's "recommends" bot :)
  259. # [23:22] <tantek> the frustration is real though
  260. # [23:22] <liam> oh, there's sons of frustration there
  261. # [23:22] <liam> and there are certainly things people could be frustrated about
  262. # [23:23] <tantek> the criticisms regarding prioritization and simplicity are kinda spot on though
  263. # [23:23] <liam> yes and no
  264. # [23:23] <liam> the way to get to simplicity doesn't lie in adding more features (like %% and *)
  265. # [23:23] <liam> it lies in making consistent underpinnings
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  267. # [23:24] <tantek> liam - nah, that way "consistent underpinnings " lie purely academic things
  268. # [23:24] <liam> i see flxbox and flow/regions as part of that work, at least potentially
  269. # [23:25] <liam> heh well, as long as we both agree there's a mess and some frustration we're probably OK :) I don't think kiling off the CSS WG and having only one group's interests represented is going to reduce overall frustration though.
  270. # [23:27] <tantek> sure, the alternatives suggested are flawed too - anything designed without direct browser implementer participation is doomed
  271. # [23:28] <liam> i'm not saying there aren't problems, i don't think that would be a very defensible position
  272. # [23:29] <liam> (not that having weak defences has ever stopped me before)
  273. # [23:31] <tantek> liam - the point about spec writers not being web developers themselves is a big problem however
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  275. # [23:32] <liam> agree that we need more web dev involvment - for smilar reasons as needing more trade publisher involvment, which we've worked on aggressively.
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  277. # [23:32] <liam> oh.
  278. # [23:32] <liam> bye, tantek.
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