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  1. # Session Start: Tue Jan 20 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #css
  3. # [00:39] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Is there a syntax for dfn-for when there are multiple properties it's for?
  4. # [00:45] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Also, didn't you fix bikeshed to not use numeric suffixes to disambiguate all the 'auto' values?
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  42. # [03:50] <fantasai> TabAtkins: I think we need to do a half-day on Flexbox. Got time on Wednesday or Friday this week?
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  89. # [07:13] <TabAtkins> fantasai: Let's do Friday.
  90. # [07:14] <TabAtkins> I'll answer your bikeshed stuff tomorrow.
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  127. # [11:19] <Florian> I understand why ::after behaves the way it does when used on regions, but I don't see why ::before has to do the same, and cannot behave as usual. Is the explanation simply consistency with ::after, or is there a reason it has to be that way?
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  132. # [12:37] <Ms2ger> Florian_, consistency with ::after seems positive in general
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  134. # [12:40] <Florian_> Ms2ger, Right. At the same time, the behavior of ::after on regions is a subset of the its usual behavior, so if it is possible to let ::before be less constrained, people who want to do the same could still get it by doing ::before {display:block;}
  135. # [12:41] <Florian_> I am not necessarily advocating for a change here, just exploring a similar problem space, and wondering if consistency with ::after is the only explanation, or if there is also some other complications that I am not seeing that call for this behavior
  136. # [12:41] <Florian_> (because if there are, I'd like to understand what they are)
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  183. # [17:58] <astearns> Florian: it vastly simplifies the processing model, where we decide how much content fits in each region
  184. # [17:59] <astearns> my thought was to wait until display:run-in was clearly defined before allowing inline ::before and ::after in regions
  185. # [17:59] <Ms2ger> Heh, run-in
  186. # [18:00] <Florian> I've been thinking of run-in as well on this topic
  187. # [18:00] <Florian> but for ::after, you'd need run-out, no?
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  189. # [18:00] <astearns> sure, but it would hopefully be very much the same thing
  190. # [18:00] * Florian nods
  191. # [18:01] <astearns> I'm also entirely open to the possibility that run-in never actually gets defined well, and I'd never have to deal with it :)
  192. # [18:02] <Florian> anyway, if you haven't seen, I just dropped a massive mail on www-style on topics you should be interested in
  193. # [18:03] <astearns> Yes, very interested. I'm writing a response
  194. # [18:03] <Florian> great
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  197. # [18:04] <Florian> by the way, in the regions case, run-in would "easily" fix before, but run-out would still not make ::after simple, as it would interfere with trying to find the fragmentation point in non obvious ways
  198. # [18:04] <Florian> (that's also true for the stuff I am proposing)
  199. # [18:09] <Florian> On a different topic, I have 3 pending pull requests on csswg-test. Who's supposed to look at them? Spec owners? Semi-random volunteers? Gérard Talbot?
  200. # [18:11] <Ms2ger> You
  201. # [18:11] <Ms2ger> :)
  202. # [18:11] <Ms2ger> Oh, your own
  203. # [18:11] <Florian> I mean, I wrote the tests
  204. # [18:11] <Ms2ger> Probably Gérard, then
  205. # [18:12] * Ms2ger wishes y'all would finally move into wpt
  206. # [18:12] <Florian> wpt?
  207. # [18:12] <Ms2ger> web-platform-tests
  208. # [18:12] <SimonSapin> Florian: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests
  209. # [18:12] <Ms2ger> Shared repository for everyone but CSS, with tooling
  210. # [18:13] <Florian> right, I knew of this, but the acronym didn't ring a bell.
  211. # [18:13] <Florian> is anything other than "let's do it" missing? Any tooling conflict?
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  214. # [18:14] <Ms2ger> jgraham has been working on getting reftest matching semantics right
  215. # [18:15] <Ms2ger> For the case where references have references themselves
  216. # [18:15] <Florian> refs having refs? never seen that. What's it supposed to be for?
  217. # [18:15] <Ms2ger> No idea
  218. # [18:16] <Florian> One day, I hope to be stumble upon a massive amount of time to spare, and review/massage https://github.com/operasoftware/presto-testo into our shared repo.
  219. # [18:16] <Ms2ger> I've done a bit of that
  220. # [18:16] <Ms2ger> I should do more
  221. # [18:16] <Florian> same
  222. # [18:16] <Florian> I've done some clean up, but not nearly enough, and not submitted the result
  223. # [18:18] <Ms2ger> Push it there, at least?
  224. # [18:18] <Florian> https://github.com/operasoftware/presto-testo/commits?author=frivoal
  225. # [18:18] <Ms2ger> So you did
  226. # [18:18] <Ms2ger> Excellent :)
  227. # [18:19] <Florian> not submitted = not submitted to wpt
  228. # [18:19] <Florian> dinner time here
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  230. # [18:20] <Ms2ger> See you
  231. # [18:22] <Florian_away> see you
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  252. # [20:20] <glazou> hi plinss
  253. # [20:20] <plinss> hello
  254. # [20:21] <Florian_away> hello chairs. Do you want an up-to date list of open threads on css3-ui?
  255. # [20:21] <tantek> isn't that just the issues page?
  256. # [20:21] <tantek> open issues?
  257. # [20:21] <tantek> that's the canonical list
  258. # [20:22] <tantek> in particular: https://wiki.csswg.org/spec/css3-ui#current-issues
  259. # [20:22] <tantek> Florian_away: if you know of any others, please add them there
  260. # [20:22] <Florian_away> it is. But I have flags in my mailbox differenciating the threads where group decision is what we're waiting for, vs the ones where I (or someone else) need to propose something before we can discuss it as a group
  261. # [20:23] <tantek> please add such state to the "Status" section for each issue in the wiki
  262. # [20:23] <tantek> private mailbox flags are not good for collaboration
  263. # [20:23] <tantek> and if there's a need to reference a specific message, please do so by URL
  264. # [20:26] <Florian_away> URL refs are already there when there's a thread.
  265. # [20:27] <Florian_away> As for status, should I use: "pending discussion" vs "pending proposal"?
  266. # [20:28] <Florian_away> "status: Florian wishes someone would reply" feels a bit passive-aggressive ;)
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  268. # [20:30] <tantek> As for status - it's a text field
  269. # [20:30] <tantek> so you already answered your own question!
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  271. # [20:31] <tantek> here, I'll paraphrase what you said above Florian_away :)
  272. # [20:31] <tantek> * "Awaiting group decision on proposal" (requires that such a "proposal" be succinctly documented in the Issue inline - not in the depths of some noisy email thread)
  273. # [20:32] <tantek> * "Awaiting proposal"
  274. # [20:32] <tantek> and yes, adding those to the "Status:" lines would be quite helpful!
  275. # [20:33] <tantek> that way we can each pick and choose the "Awaiting proposal" issues and make proposals!
  276. # [20:33] <Florian_away> the depth of some long mail thread is bit annoying, but if the proposal is in a mail, I'd rather point to that mail directly rather than duplicate it.
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  280. # [20:49] <tantek> that just wastes everyones time with having to dig through the email to extract the proposal
  281. # [20:49] <tantek> better to extract it *once* and put it in the wiki
  282. # [20:50] <tantek> and if a proposal can't be succinctly extracted, it probably still needs work
  283. # [20:50] <TabAtkins> Agree.
  284. # [20:50] <Florian_away> it wastes everybody's time to reply to proposals without having read the background discussion. taking things out of context doesn't help
  285. # [20:51] <tantek> that happens anyway
  286. # [20:51] <TabAtkins> Also: the more work someone has to put into doing something, the less likely they are to do it. So when you're asking other people to do work, it's in your interest to do as much of their work as possible beforehand, as it maximized the chance they'll respond (and the speed they'll do it with)
  287. # [20:51] <Florian_away> :)
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  296. # [21:19] <tantek> sylvaing: I figure you'd appreciate this: https://twitter.com/t/status/557633273850253316
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  308. # [23:09] <Florian_away> The edits to the wiki requested above have now been done
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