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  1. # Session Start: Thu May 07 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #css
  3. # [00:14] <Florian> plinss: Bikeshed on the server might need a little kick. A whole bunch of specs are stuck regenerating, and have been for quite a while
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  5. # [00:17] <TabAtkins> Since just after noon
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  8. # [00:24] <plinss> Florian, TabAtkins: working on it
  9. # [00:26] <TabAtkins> cool
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  16. # [02:30] <cbiesinger> TabAtkins: fantasai: hey, just wanted to make sure that you saw https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Mar/0466.html
  17. # [02:30] <cbiesinger> should be a simple fidx
  18. # [02:40] <TabAtkins> cbiesinger: We fixed that by mooting it.
  19. # [02:41] <cbiesinger> TabAtkins: oh?
  20. # [02:41] <cbiesinger> is http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-flexbox/ updated yet?
  21. # [02:41] <TabAtkins> The relevant conditions were removed, because they were dumb and I'm dumb for writing them.
  22. # [02:41] <TabAtkins> Should be, yeah.
  23. # [02:42] <cbiesinger> heh, had the old version cached
  24. # [02:42] <cbiesinger> TabAtkins: so it's not taking flex basis into account anymore at all?
  25. # [02:42] <TabAtkins> Correct.
  26. # [02:42] <cbiesinger> ok
  27. # [02:43] <TabAtkins> (Yeah, I think plinss fixed the caching headers so they weren't sticking around for a long time now.)
  28. # [02:44] <cbiesinger> gotta update our implementation now
  29. # [02:44] <TabAtkins> Sorry! But at least it's correct and acts more sanely now.
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  33. # [04:02] * Topic is 'Agenda confcall 2015-05-06 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015May/0051.html'
  34. # [04:02] * Set by plinss on Wed May 06 17:56:07
  35. # [04:12] <liam> In one formatter I designed I called them "lumps"
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  37. # [04:28] <TabAtkins> liam: I mean, its not the *worst* name...
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  45. # [05:47] <liam> :)
  46. # [05:48] <liam> TabAtkins, sorry, just got back from libregraphicsmeeting.org, lots of weird terminology.
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  51. # [06:17] <TabAtkins> 20:00 <TabAtkins> Hm, I actually like "flow" for the inline stuff.
  52. # [06:17] <TabAtkins> 20:01 <TabAtkins> So "display:inline" is "inline-level flow" and "display:block" is "block-level flow".
  53. # [06:17] <TabAtkins> 20:01 <TabAtkins> (Shamelessly stolen from the Box Module.)
  54. # [06:17] <TabAtkins> Still can't use "block" for the layout-method name, though. :/
  55. # [06:17] <TabAtkins> Maybe "flow-root"?
  56. # [06:18] <TabAtkins> display:inline-block being "inline-level flow-root"?
  57. # [06:25] <TabAtkins> Useful bit: saying "display: flow-root;" gets you a BFC, no 'overflow' hacks needed.
  58. # [06:26] <TabAtkins> Have to decide whether "display: flow" means inline or block, though.
  59. # [06:27] <TabAtkins> I guess it's more consistent to have it mean block, like all the other layout methods that have inline and block variants?
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  63. # [07:07] <liam> if it's not clear what display: flow means, why have it?
  64. # [07:14] <TabAtkins> display:flow would be the same as display:block. "block" would be a legacy value for "block-level flow".
  65. # [07:15] <TabAtkins> The deal is that display:inline and display:block are both "flow" values, just inline-level vs block-level. Neither are flow-roots - they both flow together.
  66. # [07:15] <TabAtkins> While display:inline-block is a flow-root, so equivalent to "display: inline-level flow-root;".
  67. # [07:15] <TabAtkins> And "display: block-level flow-root;" would give you a BFC (finally, without hacks!)
  68. # [07:15] <TabAtkins> This means there are multiple ways to achieve the same value, unfortunately.
  69. # [07:16] <TabAtkins> But it's basically identical to display:inline-table being an alternate way to say "display: inline-level table;"
  70. # [07:16] <TabAtkins> which we've already accepted
  71. # [07:17] <TabAtkins> (block-level and inline-level flows of course "flow together" in slightly different ways. inline-levels are obvious - they sit together in line boxes - but block-level flows can affect each other via floats.)
  72. # [07:18] <TabAtkins> We can imagine that the eventual Flow Layout spec defines that you start from a flow-root, the basis of the layout (just like a flex container is the basis of flex layout).
  73. # [07:19] <TabAtkins> A flow root is subdivided into one or more block flows, which can interact with each other. Each block flow is filled with line boxes, which are filled with inline flows.
  74. # [07:22] <TabAtkins> This finally kinda rationalizes how block/inline layout works, and squares {block-level, inline-level}x{block, inline} production, where previously we only had three defined.
  75. # [07:23] <liam> if "display:flow would be the same as display:block" doesn't that answer your question about whether it shoudl be block or inline?
  76. # [07:23] <TabAtkins> (We definitely had inline-level inline, and inline-level block. We *thought* we had a block-level block, but really it was a block-level inline, and block-level blocks are BFCs.)
  77. # [07:23] <TabAtkins> liam: That's begging the question.
  78. # [07:23] <liam> fair enough
  79. # [07:23] <liam> i wasn't sure how to read that first statement
  80. # [07:23] <liam> (assertion or conditional on deciding)
  81. # [07:23] <TabAtkins> I answered it that way *because* I've already loosely decided to default all the basic layout modes to block-level if unspecified. ^_^
  82. # [07:23] <TabAtkins> Yeah, conditional.
  83. # [07:24] <liam> it sounds arbitrary in that users can get either behaviour if you need to
  84. # [07:24] <TabAtkins> Yeah, just like users can get either flex or inline-flex if they need to.
  85. # [07:25] <liam> and not really clear that one or the other is more or less surprising
  86. # [07:25] <liam> because depends on usage
  87. # [07:25] <TabAtkins> yeah
  88. # [07:26] <liam> so block seems fine if it has to be given a meaning of one or the other
  89. # [07:26] * TabAtkins needs to head to bed now ^_^
  90. # [07:27] <liam> night
  91. # [07:28] * liam too, but notes that we added more support for explicit flows/flowmap in xsl-fo 2 in response to user needs
  92. # [07:28] <liam> so i'm biased :) but think it a good direciton.
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  129. # [11:08] <glazou> Florian: you have a URL to the airbnb?
  130. # [11:08] <glazou> (hoping the wifi stays up long enough for me to view it...)
  131. # [11:09] <Florian> https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/6293951?checkin=05%2F16%2F2015&checkout=05%2F21%2F2015&guests=6&s=ZJPu
  132. # [11:09] <Florian> glazou: ^
  133. # [11:11] <glazou> I think it will be 2017 before my download of that page ends
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  135. # [11:11] <glazou> how can we have a W3C meeting with such an unreliable network
  136. # [11:17] <glazou> perfect : https://www.google.fr/maps/dir/721+Lexington+Ave,+New+York,+NY+10022,+%C3%89tats-Unis/E+69th+St,+New+York,+NY,+%C3%89tats-Unis/@40.7650328,-73.9699588,16z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x89c258e50fab7adb:0x63acb1af76a3ee67!2m2!1d-73.9686554!2d40.7615663!1m5!1m1!1s0x89c258ea30ed93cf:0x61276eb716321405!2m2!1d-73.962014!2d40.767812
  137. # [11:17] <Florian> Booked
  138. # [11:17] <Florian> Didn't want to wait, there's not much availability, and this is a good deal
  139. # [11:19] <glazou> YAY !!!
  140. # [11:19] <glazou> thank you Florian !!!
  141. # [11:19] <Florian> Well, this is airbnb, so we still need the host to confirm
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  143. # [11:24] <glazou> sure
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  173. # [14:51] <Florian> Too bad, the airbnb was a scam. Too good to be true.
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  243. # [20:55] <fantasai> TabAtkins: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visuren.html#display-prop
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  245. # [20:57] <fantasai> http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/generate.html#lists
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  257. # [21:55] <fantasai> Rossen: If you've got some time, Tab and I have a few questions about percentage sizing in your implementation
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