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  118. # [18:21] <Florian_> plinss: TabAtkins: bikeshed stuck again? dev.w3.org/csswg/css-ui-4/
  119. # [18:23] <TabAtkins> Florian_: Doesn't look stuck, just in the middle of a big regen. It's about half done.
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  121. # [18:24] <Florian> TabAtkins: how can you tell?
  122. # [18:24] <TabAtkins> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/, see that the first half are green, the second half are pulsing (indicating a pending regen)
  123. # [18:25] <Florian> aha. Only ever looked at the status spec by spec
  124. # [18:26] <Florian> when does it regenerate everything vs a single spec?
  125. # [18:27] <Florian> Also, css-ui being at the end of the alphabet means the spec is offline for a longer? :(
  126. # [18:29] <TabAtkins> Yup.
  127. # [18:29] <TabAtkins> plinss is gonna fix it so the old version stays up during the regen, but he hasn't had time to get to it yet.
  128. # [18:29] <Florian> The full name of that spec is css basic ui. I'm going to rename it css-bui :)
  129. # [18:29] <TabAtkins> And it does all-specs regen, I dunno, every once in a while. Just to make sure all their autolinks are up to date.
  130. # [18:32] <Florian> Unrelated thing, but looking for use cases to support caret properties, I found some both on xanthir.com and glazman.org.
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  132. # [18:33] <TabAtkins> What's from mine? The blinking shell cursor?
  133. # [18:33] <Florian> yes
  134. # [18:33] <Florian> Glazou has the same thing
  135. # [18:33] <TabAtkins> Heh, ok.
  136. # [18:34] <Florian> Right. Doesn't really mean anything, but I found it amusing.
  137. # [18:36] <Florian> Looks like the spec is back up. Go to http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-ui-4/#caret and you'll find an example that's quite close to your site. I wrote it before remembering you had the same thing.
  138. # [18:36] <Florian> anyway, dinner time
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  149. # [19:47] <liam> oh dear, and i had to work to get gnome to reinstate the preference to stop the blinking cursor, i hope there will be a browser preference for this under accessibility
  150. # [19:47] <liam> (luckily you could always disable blinking cursor with the "phosphor terminals". Hmm but not(:Florian)
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  152. # [19:53] <TabAtkins> I presume browsers have the ability to limit blink-rate in teh first place, and they should look to system settings for guidance on that.
  153. # [19:58] <liam> i'm not sure whether this is a good assumption or not; if firefox here has such a thing i haven't seen it.
  154. # [19:58] <Florian> liam: caret: 0 auto auto !important ;
  155. # [19:58] <Florian> (in your UA stylesheet)
  156. # [19:58] <liam> Florian, yes. if your browser supports such a thing in any obvious way.
  157. # [19:59] <Florian> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-ui-4/#caret
  158. # [19:59] <liam> causing headaches/migraines/epilepsy is a possible result. That one is actually OK for me, although irritating :)
  159. # [20:00] <Florian> carets blink by default now. this lets you turn it off
  160. # [20:00] <liam> context was, <liam> oh dear, and i had to work to get gnome to reinstate the preference to stop the blinking cursor, i hope there will be a browser preference for this under accessibility
  161. # [20:00] <liam> <liam> (luckily you could always disable blinking cursor with the "phosphor terminals."
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  166. # [20:08] <TabAtkins> http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?saved=3518
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  171. # [20:31] <Florian> Liam: I've put a warning in the spec with regards to seizures and blinking
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  173. # [20:37] <Florian> Liam: "supports such a thing" you meant the UA stylesheet?
  174. # [20:37] <Florian> I thought you meant the caret property.
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  178. # [20:46] <liam> Florian, yes, I meant the UA stylesheet
  179. # [20:47] <liam> and, thanks for adding a warning
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  181. # [20:48] <Florian_> Liam: I don't know if the warning is relevant for something as small as a caret (given that I don't know much about seizures), but I though it was better to be careful with these things
  182. # [20:49] <Florian_> the examples in the spec are animated, but should be fine according to the guidelines (if they're not, please tell me).
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  184. # [20:54] <Florian_> Liam: Do you think I should put a note encouraging all browsers (and especially those that do not have a user stylesheet) to have an accessibility control to block cursor blinking?
  185. # [20:54] <Florian_> s/cursor/caret/
  186. # [20:56] <Florian_> As for having a setting to lock the caret-color to auto to avoid animations and hand-made blinking, I'm less sure. This is more of a general problem with animations, not something specific to the caret. But at the same time, caret-color:auto!important is effective at blocking animations and keeps things readable, so maybe it's good.
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  191. # [21:08] <liam> Florian, yes, I do think a browser setting would be helpful to block cursor blinking
  192. # [21:09] <liam> (the operating environmemt may provide this, as Tab noted, e.g. there are gtk preferences, that work e.g. in forms and the URL bar, but may or may not affect content-editable elements)
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  272. # [22:49] <Florian> Liam: Refined the examples to show how to disable caret animations in addition to blinking/flashing, and added a recommendation for browsers to have a setting to turn this off
  273. # [22:49] <Florian> Liam: see example 2 and prose below it in http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-ui-4/#caret-blink-time
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