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  19. # [03:37] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Just committed row-gap+col-gap for css-grid. Take a look?
  20. # [03:38] <fantasai> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-grid-1/#gutters
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  46. # [08:17] <SimonSapin> fantasai: I remember discussing whether http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-grid-1/#gutters should go in level 1 or 2, but I don’t remember the conclusion
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  48. # [08:36] <SimonSapin> fantasai: `row-gap: normal` doesn’t seem useful compared to `row-gap: 0` explicitly. I suppose it only exists to align with Multicol?
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  53. # [10:21] <Florian> dang, @supports isn't quite good enough. I want to do "p {text-align: left;} @supports (hyphens:auto) { p { text-align:justify; hyphens: auto} }"
  54. # [10:21] <Florian> but that will still justify languages for which hyphenation is not supported
  55. # [10:23] <Florian> since "hyphens: auto" can be supported but still do nothing, depending on the language off the element.
  56. # [10:23] <Florian> We don't have anything in the pipeline to deal with that, do we?
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  67. # [13:34] <SimonSapin> Florian: so what’s the bad scenario here, a browser supports hyphenation but not for that particular content language?
  68. # [13:35] <Florian> yes
  69. # [13:35] <Florian> SimonSapin: I only want justification if hyphenation is on, otherwise it's not nice enough and I prefer to fall back to left alignment.
  70. # [13:36] <SimonSapin> I suppose we could add @supports hyphenation-language(fr), but that seems awfully narrow/specific
  71. # [13:36] <Florian> yes
  72. # [13:37] <Florian> To futher complicate things, for some languages, hyphenation is not needed for justification to look nice. But even though being exhaustive would be a pain, I can actually deal with that myself with selectors.
  73. # [13:37] <Florian> but I can't do "@supports hyphenation-language(fr)" myself
  74. # [13:38] <Florian> But you are perfectly right that this seems way too narrow.
  75. # [13:38] <Florian> I am not sure what the right level of generalization would be
  76. # [13:39] <Florian> I was wondering about posting to www-style about this, but first wanted to check if anyone had an idea.
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  88. # [15:05] <Florian> do we have a spec that defines what is the border box when you have border-radius? i.e. is the border box still a rectangle, or does it follow the border in the corners?
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  91. # [15:27] <Florian> css-box defines it to be the bounding rectangle, but that spec isn't supposed to be relied on.
  92. # [15:55] <astearns> Florian: css-shapes uses the border-radius curvature when defining a shape, but the bounding rectangle when defining a reference box
  93. # [15:58] <Florian> astearns: I was checking that spec hoping it would help, but it seems it falls just a bit short. it defines what 'border-box' means as a value of <shape-box>, but not what the concept of border box is.
  94. # [15:59] <Florian> CSS3BG seems to do that, but it doesn't say what happens with rounded corners
  95. # [15:59] <astearns> yes. What are you trying to do?
  96. # [16:00] <Florian> Decide if css-ui-3 is correct or not. It says "This property specifies the type of cursor to be displayed for the pointing device when within the element’s border-box."
  97. # [16:00] <Florian> browsers apply it within the curved box.
  98. # [16:00] <Florian> I don't know if that's the same, or if the browsers and the spec disagree with eachother (in which case we should fix the spec
  99. # [16:00] <Florian> )
  100. # [16:02] <astearns> does hit detection work only within the curvature as well? (I assume this isn't defined anywhere)
  101. # [16:03] <Florian> Also, I haven't yet looked at what happens with cursor over border images that protrude out of the border box, or though about what should happen when the border-boundary:parent (from css-round-display) is applied.
  102. # [16:03] <Florian> hit detection is not defined
  103. # [16:04] <astearns> changing the cursor (and only handling hit detection) within the actual curved border seems right to me, and I agree it should be defined somewhere :)
  104. # [16:05] <Florian> Probably. It is tricky though. Browsers seem to agree that you do change the cursor (and probably detect hits) over a transparent border.
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  129. # [19:29] <TabAtkins> Florian: underdefined, but we need to have separate notions of "border box" and "border shape", and 'cursor' (and other hit-testing-related stuff) needs to care about the border shape.
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  136. # [20:47] <glazou> plinss: ping
  137. # [20:47] <plinss> glazou: pong
  138. # [20:49] <glazou> plinss: see pm?
  139. # [20:49] <plinss> no
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  151. # [22:49] <TabAtkins> Hm, wonder how to contact tigt.
  152. # [22:49] <TabAtkins> Much easier explanation of media-condition is "single media-query (no commas), without the media type". Plus the new MQ grammar with not/or, for browsers that support it.
  153. # [22:50] <TabAtkins> And that thing about having to wrap the whole thing in a paren to use "or" is wrong.
  154. # [22:53] <TabAtkins> And, um, where the hell did he get (monochrome: 1) from.
  155. # [22:53] <TabAtkins> Oh, ugh, never mind, it's one of those legacy booleans UGH
  156. # [22:54] <TabAtkins> I would love to deprecate using those with a value. Just always use (monochrome), jeezus christ.
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