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  123. # [09:20] <vollick> +present Ian Vollick, Google.
  124. # [09:20] <myles> what
  125. # [09:20] <esprehn> vollick: join #houdini
  126. # [09:20] <johanneswilm> I think people moved to #houdini
  127. # [09:20] <vollick> apologies :)
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  140. # [10:05] <SimonSapin> We didn’t end up discussing github, did we? https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2015JulSep/0120.html
  141. # [10:06] <tantek> no we did not
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  143. # [10:08] <tantek> that's kind of a hilarious indictment of how bad email is
  144. # [10:09] <TabAtkins> tantek: ???
  145. # [10:09] <TabAtkins> That topic got on the agenda, we just overflowed.
  146. # [10:09] <tantek> the link from SimonSapin
  147. # [10:09] <tantek> TabAtkins: what Richard wrote, not the fact we didn't get to it
  148. # [10:10] <TabAtkins> ah, ok
  149. # [10:10] * TabAtkins is okay with using GitHub issues for more things, and splitting our repo apart.
  150. # [10:11] <tantek> as much as I dislike email (both in general, and for issues), in the context of www-style and CSS specs, email for issue discussion seems to be the least worst of options, but that's also why I collected / tracked CSS3 UI issues in the wiki
  151. # [10:11] <tantek> OTOH if we do the work to split our repo apart into one repo per otherwise [spec] topic, then I could see GH issues working better too, if we excuse the silo aspect
  152. # [10:12] <tantek> (GH issues not actually being part of the git checkout etc.)
  153. # [10:12] <tantek> so \_O_o_/
  154. # [10:12] <TabAtkins> Yeah, Issues are way easier to track feedback with.
  155. # [10:13] <Florian> GH issues can CC the mailing list, and accept answers from mail, so you can still use mail to work with them, including offline. But you gain the ability to mark issues as closed, which for me is the main thing we'd gain.
  156. # [10:14] <TabAtkins> Yup, DOM does this.
  157. # [10:14] <TabAtkins> Florian: Mark them closed, *and* more easily track things that are open.
  158. # [10:15] <TabAtkins> And I'd be able to drop issues on myself when I need to remember to edit something more easily; that's not appropriate for the mailing list, and it's not always ergonomic to do these other ways.
  159. # [10:15] <Florian> TabAtkins: Yes, the main benefit of being able to close things is to be able to find the things that aren't closed.
  160. # [10:16] <leaverou> why don't we add this to the agenda instead of discussing it in this backchannel that most people aren't looking at today?
  161. # [10:16] <tantek> yes that tracking of open/closed state is useful
  162. # [10:16] <tantek> because www-style / CSS agenda ended yesterday?
  163. # [10:16] <Florian> leaverou: because it was on the agenda for CSS, but we couldn't fit it.
  164. # [10:16] <leaverou> yes, I know, but most people in Houdini are CSSWG
  165. # [10:16] <tantek> feel free to propose that Houdini work this way ;)
  166. # [10:16] <tantek> might as well fix the greenfield
  167. # [10:17] <tantek> instead of copying old bad habits
  168. # [10:19] <TabAtkins> That's not a bad idea.
  169. # [10:19] <TabAtkins> leaverou: Agenda+ it in the #houdini room?
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  181. # [10:54] <SimonSapin> tantek, http://webpolicy.org/2015/08/25/att-hotspots-now-with-advertising-injection/
  182. # [10:59] <tantek> SimonSapin: wow that's from only 3 days ago!
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  186. # [11:04] <tantek> SimonSapin: is it possible to use a CORS header to block that stuff? external styles and scripts?
  187. # [11:05] <Ms2ger> CSP?
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  189. # [11:05] <SimonSapin> tantek, if anything legitimate (either the HTML or an external stylesheet or script) that you don’t want to block is fetched over HTTP (not S), then stuff can be injected there
  190. # [11:06] <tantek> SimonSapin: I understand that. The point is increasing defense in depth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_in_Depth_%28computing%29
  191. # [11:06] <tantek> which is in practice an effective strategy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_in_depth
  192. # [11:08] <SimonSapin> Ok. I don’t know enough about CORS or CSP to say more.
  193. # [11:08] <tantek> Ms2ger: thanks, yes that
  194. # [11:08] * tantek reads https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Security/CSP/Introducing_Content_Security_Policy
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  196. # [11:11] <tantek> and https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Security/CSP/Using_Content_Security_Policy
  197. # [11:12] <Ms2ger> But presumably the attacker could strip those too
  198. # [11:14] <tantek> indeed, again, see increasing defense in depth
  199. # [11:15] <tantek> making it extra work for the attacker is an effective strategy
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  300. # [22:18] <cvrebert> Am I correct in thinking that an !important declaration in UA stylesheet is impossible to override?
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  303. # [22:21] <liam> !importanter
  304. # [22:22] <cvrebert> Context: https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/25#issuecomment-135847358
  305. # [22:23] <liam> i don't think i'd better merge the commit
  306. # [22:24] <liam> and i don't think a UA stylesheet should have !important in it either really
  307. # [22:26] <cvrebert> it already currently says "[X must happen] irrespective of CSS rules", so it's not like it's any worse than the status quo
  308. # [22:30] <liam> "it" being the spec?
  309. # [22:30] <liam> specs didn't ought to say such silly things :-) but I wasn't involved with it so I don't really know
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  311. # [22:36] <cvrebert> plinss: So, any luck setting the URL field on https://github.com/syncbot 's profile? Even just setting it to https://github.com/plinss would be better than nothing.
  312. # [22:37] <plinss> cvrebert: was planning on setting up a page, but haven’t got to it yet (travelling), but I can set it to me in the meanwhile, will do now
  313. # [22:38] <cvrebert> cool
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