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  1. # Session Start: Thu Sep 17 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #css
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  7. # [00:09] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Do you know the answer to this? https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014Jan/0157.html
  8. # [00:09] <fantasai> TabAtkins: It's a CSSOM shorthands question
  9. # [00:12] <TabAtkins> Yes, it does have to return null. This is why the DOM l2 APIs were the absolute worst.
  10. # [00:12] <fantasai> TabAtkins: That's not really compatible with expanding shorthands into longhands, though
  11. # [00:12] <TabAtkins> Correct.
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  13. # [00:12] <TabAtkins> See previous statement.
  14. # [00:13] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Do we need to fix that somehow, then?
  15. # [00:13] <TabAtkins> I doubt it. They're old-ass APIs, and terrible to use. Usage is very low.
  16. # [00:14] <fantasai> Okay
  17. # [00:14] <TabAtkins> getPropertyValue() works correctly, and is shorter than getPropertyCSSValue()
  18. # [00:14] <fantasai> cool
  19. # [00:14] <TabAtkins> (Who tf came up with that name, btw?)
  20. # [00:14] <fantasai> Would you mind replying to that message then?
  21. # [00:15] <fantasai> You can also point out that very few people would be querying the value of a paged media property
  22. # [00:15] <fantasai> since paged media and scripting aren't especially common.
  23. # [00:15] <fantasai> and scripting a break control property isn't really a use case for anything except an HTML editor
  24. # [00:15] <fantasai> If not, I can reply
  25. # [00:15] <fantasai> but I figure you know more about this issue than I do...
  26. # [00:17] <TabAtkins> I'm replying.
  27. # [00:17] <fantasai> Thanks~
  28. # [00:31] <astearns> TabAtkins: not sure that Johannes would agree with you that "paged media and scripting don't collide very much" :)
  29. # [00:31] <TabAtkins> Paged Media, scripting, *and* DOM L2 Style
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  179. # [16:34] <SimonSapin> plinss: Is drafts.csswg.org down?
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  204. # [17:36] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Can you run a check on popularity of 'visibility: collapse'?
  205. # [17:36] * fantasai is curious if it's being used outside of flex
  206. # [17:36] * fantasai also guesses it's not being used in flex because WebKit/Blink doesn't implement
  207. # [17:37] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Or just remind me where the query page is, I can't remember...
  208. # [17:37] * fantasai vaguely recalls it was public
  209. # [17:37] <fantasai> SimonSapin: It appears the entire server is down... the wiki isn't responding either
  210. # [17:38] <SimonSapin> fantasai: indeed
  211. # [17:39] <plh> affects w3ctag.org as well
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  214. # [17:42] <fantasai> SimonSapin: How well do you know Make?
  215. # [17:42] <SimonSapin> fantasai: somewhat, why?
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  217. # [17:43] <fantasai> SimonSapin: If it'll take you <15min to make a Makefile for the csswg repo, can you do that?
  218. # [17:43] <fantasai> SimonSapin: if longer, I'll work on it
  219. # [17:43] <fantasai> SimonSapin: gonna put up a copy of the CSSWG repo on the inkedblade server
  220. # [17:43] <SimonSapin> fantasai: I can make *a* makefile, but what do you want it to do ? :)
  221. # [17:43] <fantasai> SimonSapin: Build all the specs
  222. # [17:44] <SimonSapin> are they all Overview.bs?
  223. # [17:44] * fantasai thinks
  224. # [17:44] <SimonSapin> (I can find out)
  225. # [17:44] <fantasai> I think most of them are, and the ones that aren't use Bert's processor
  226. # [17:44] <fantasai> the regen script in bin/ does that
  227. # [17:45] <SimonSapin> 97 */ and 68 */Overview.bs
  228. # [17:45] <fantasai> lessee..
  229. # [17:46] <SimonSapin> 50 */Overview.html
  230. # [17:46] <fantasai> /<pre class=.?metadata/ should report back on whether the file is a bikeshed one or not
  231. # [17:46] * fantasai runs a few grep
  232. # [17:47] <SimonSapin> fantasai: does it need to be a makefile?
  233. # [17:47] <fantasai> no, could be anything
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  235. # [17:48] <fantasai> I think it just needs to generate for the .bs files
  236. # [17:48] <fantasai> that aren't present. Everything else will be pre-generated
  237. # [17:48] <SimonSapin> alright, let me try something
  238. # [17:49] <fantasai> okay
  239. # [17:49] * fantasai works on a .htaccess file, since that's also necessary ;)
  240. # [17:51] <SimonSapin> .hgignore and .gitignore contain */Overview.html
  241. # [17:51] <fantasai> I think if there is an Overview.html that's versioned, it isn't ignored
  242. # [17:51] <fantasai> We've used that to work around the generator hanging up before.
  243. # [17:51] <SimonSapin> right
  244. # [18:01] <SimonSapin> fantasai: how about this? https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/compare/master...SimonSapin:bikeshed-all
  245. # [18:02] <SimonSapin> It’s failing on css-scroll-snap with a fatal bikeshed error
  246. # [18:02] <SimonSapin> fantasai: one thing is that it only runs once
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  248. # [18:02] <fantasai> SimonSapin: Fair enough
  249. # [18:03] <fantasai> Well, that's great. inkedblade.net ssh is down too
  250. # [18:03] <fantasai> ~_~
  251. # [18:03] <fantasai> It just stopped copying things
  252. # [18:03] <fantasai> and won't connect anymore
  253. # [18:03] <SimonSapin> you’d need something like `git clean -x` to remove the files it generated, so that it would generate them again
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  255. # [18:08] <fantasai> Okay, some things are up at http://csswg.inkedblade.net/csswg/
  256. # [18:08] <fantasai> But it failed partway through upload, so not much yet. :/
  257. # [18:09] * fantasai moves that to http://csswg.inkedblade.net/drafts/ to be less redundant
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  261. # [18:17] <SimonSapin> fantasai: you might want https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/commit/78ee3a3b0b3132c3d33008c13492f17cd9f17bd3 as well
  262. # [18:17] <fantasai> k
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  278. # [18:37] * fantasai changes topic to 'drafts.csswg.org mirror at http://csswg.inkedblade.net/drafts/'
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  282. # [18:40] <fantasai> SimonSapin: Okay, I think everything's up. Let me know if not. Hopefully plinss will fix the real server later today :)
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  292. # [18:53] <plinss> csswg.org is back up
  293. # [18:54] <dauwhe> fantasai has been doing so much spec work the infrastructure can't keep up :)
  294. # [18:54] <fantasai> yay
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  296. # [18:55] <plinss> I think that’s actually the problem… a lot of rapid fire pushes causing server side process to back up and consume too many db connections, causes a deadlock...
  297. # [18:55] <plinss> I have some potential fixes in mind already, will apply later today/tomorrow
  298. # [18:55] <fantasai> I didn't push anything since 4am!
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  300. # [18:55] <plinss> (that’s when it started getting backed up)
  301. # [18:55] <fantasai> ah
  302. # [18:56] <plinss> not your fault, I need to fix my code to deal with the real world
  303. # [18:56] <plinss> should be a straightforward fix
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  321. # [19:21] <fantasai> ...
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  330. # [20:34] <SimonSapin> fantasai: Do you have an opinion on https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Sep/0106.html ? Provide a non-normative to synthesize two colors for border-style: groove/ridge/inset/outset based on one border-color
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  332. # [20:36] <fantasai> SimonSapin: No opinion
  333. # [20:37] <SimonSapin> ok :)
  334. # [20:38] <fantasai> SimonSapin: However, the Blink reviewer is clearly wrong
  335. # [20:38] <fantasai> SimonSapin: A solid black line does not look 3D and thus violates the spec
  336. # [20:45] <TabAtkins> fantasai: No, we can't as easily do use-counters for values.
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  338. # [20:45] <fantasai> TabAtkins: kk
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  340. # [20:55] <adenilson> fantasai: I might suggest to comment on https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=436990
  341. # [20:55] <adenilson> as the merge request is closed (and probably no one is going to pay attention to it).
  342. # [20:56] <adenilson> Last time I checked, Blink would also fail to render groove/ridge in cases where you have a color defined for border (e.g. rose).
  343. # [20:58] <adenilson> Issues #276231 and #316559.
  344. # [21:00] <SimonSapin> eh, my client interprets these as hex RGB and shows a color box :)
  345. # [21:03] <adenilson> :-)
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  347. # [21:08] <SimonSapin> TabAtkins: what does color(… hue(*20deg)) mean? Steradians?
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  349. # [21:16] <TabAtkins> SimonSapin: It means I'm dumb and didn't think through that part of the grammar properly.
  350. # [21:16] <TabAtkins> I should really just omit * entirely; hue isn't a vector space.
  351. # [21:16] <SimonSapin> yeah, * on angles doesn’t really make sense
  352. # [21:17] <TabAtkins> Not on *these* angles, at least
  353. # [21:17] <SimonSapin> I mean angle*angle doesn’t and angle*number doesn’t seem very useful for hues
  354. # [21:17] <TabAtkins> You thinking of implementing?
  355. # [21:17] <SimonSapin> no, thinking of how exactly to define border-style
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