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  1. # Session Start: Mon Sep 28 00:00:01 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #css
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  30. # [07:47] <birtles> can someone please give me write access to the github repo?
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  40. # [08:22] <SimonSapin> plinss probably can
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  45. # [08:37] <birtles> SimonSapin: thanks
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  160. # [19:35] <fantasai> birtles: You can also access the Mercurial master at http://hg.csswg.org/test/ or http://hg.csswg.org/drafts/ depending which one you meant...
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  196. # [22:24] <dholbert> I have a probably-simple css-align question. (perhaps fantasai can answer if/when she's around)
  197. # [22:25] <dholbert> So, https://drafts.csswg.org/css-align-3/#propdef-justify-content says justify-content takes [simplified slightly] values of the following form: <content-distribution> || [ <overflow-position>? && <content-position> ]
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  200. # [22:26] <dholbert> which I think means something like "justify-content: space-between end safe" would be valid
  201. # [22:27] <dholbert> ah, and I think I just answered my own question maybe... I was going to ask: so if authors specify an <overflow-position> ("safe" in this case), what's the benefit of specifying a <content-position> ("end" in this case) as well?
  202. # [22:28] <dholbert> And I think the answer is: yeah, "end" (& any other option) has no effect there, if combined with "safe". But it will have an effect if it's instead combined with "true"
  203. # [22:29] <dholbert> so, fantasai, un-ping I think, though feel free to clarify anything if the above makes sense & you see anything I'm misunderstanding. :)
  204. # [22:59] * fantasai looks
  205. # [23:00] <fantasai> dholbert: space-between end means you space-between, but if there's only one thing in there, you end-align it
  206. # [23:00] <dholbert> fantasai, waaait really? that's not what I expected
  207. # [23:00] <fantasai> dholbert: space-between end safe means you space-between or end-align per above, but if there's overflow you start-align everything
  208. # [23:00] <dholbert> I was thinking all the fallback stuff is purely about if there's negative space
  209. # [23:01] <fantasai> dholbert: no, negative space is handled by <overflow-position>
  210. # [23:01] <dholbert> fantasai, ok, thinking through it more, I see how that makes sense for space-between
  211. # [23:01] <fantasai> dholbert: the only things that seemed sensible were safe and true for that case..
  212. # [23:01] <fantasai> dholbert: Honestly, this whole draft scares me
  213. # [23:02] <fantasai> dholbert: It's gotten very little review by anybody outside of me and Tab, who wrote it
  214. # [23:02] <fantasai> dholbert: Like, "does this design make sense" review.
  215. # [23:02] <fantasai> dholbert: not "can I implement what the spec-writer said" review
  216. # [23:02] <dholbert> fantasai, mats is implementing it right now, for grid at least
  217. # [23:02] <fantasai> dholbert: fair
  218. # [23:02] <dholbert> fantasai, (ah, but you're worried about it lacking non-impl-related review, gotcha)
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  220. # [23:03] <fantasai> dholbert: I've half a mind to cut out a lot of the values until someone else says they're good to add.
  221. # [23:03] <fantasai> dholbert: i.e. reduce it to just one keyword of the keywords listed
  222. # [23:04] <fantasai> dholbert: i.e. the flexbox values, plus start/end/stretch-evenly
  223. # [23:04] <dholbert> (but not multi-part values)
  224. # [23:05] <fantasai> yeah
  225. # [23:06] <fantasai> We may eventually want to go there, but I want at least a third person to comment intelligently on whether the way we're doing it makes sense :)
  226. # [23:06] <fantasai> dholbert: What do you think?
  227. # [23:07] <dholbert> fantasai, I'm mixed
  228. # [23:07] <dholbert> fantasai, it seems very expressive but also maybe unnecessarily complex
  229. # [23:08] <dholbert> fantasai, though I can see that there's value (and expressiveness) in the complexity
  230. # [23:08] <fantasai> yeah
  231. # [23:08] <fantasai> I think the use cases we're trying to address are all things that, at some point, are useful
  232. # [23:08] <fantasai> I'm not sure to which side of 80/20 they fall :)
  233. # [23:08] <fantasai> I am a little worried about safe vs. true alignment
  234. # [23:08] <dholbert> same
  235. # [23:08] <cbiesinger> fantasai: TabAtkins: if one of you could review mypull requests for csswg-tests that'd be great :)
  236. # [23:08] <fantasai> But I'm also not sure that what we have is the right way to solve that problem
  237. # [23:09] <fantasai> the problem is overflow off the scroller or page
  238. # [23:09] <fantasai> and this is solving overflow off the containing block, which is not necessarily the same
  239. # [23:13] <fantasai> cbiesinger: Pester me about it towards the end of the week? I'm a bit behind on a lot of spec stuff atm.
  240. # [23:13] <fantasai> TabAtkins: are you working this week?
  241. # [23:14] <TabAtkins> Yes.
  242. # [23:14] <cbiesinger> fantasai: ok will do!
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  244. # [23:21] <fantasai> dbaron: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/css/20150928#l-212
  245. # [23:22] <dbaron> fantasai, did https://wiki.csswg.org/ideas/print-backgrounds ever end up in a spec?
  246. # [23:23] <fantasai> dbaron: I don't think so.
  247. # [23:23] <fantasai> dbaron: There was some idea of adding something to css-color-4
  248. # [23:23] <fantasai> dbaron: found it
  249. # [23:23] <fantasai> dbaron: https://drafts.csswg.org/css-color-4/#color-adjust
  250. # [23:29] <dbaron> fantasai, thanks
  251. # [23:29] <fantasai> np
  252. # [23:49] <TabAtkins> dbaron: I updated the wiki page to say so.
  253. # [23:49] <dbaron> TabAtkins, thanks -- the wiki page was referenced from MDN's description of -webkit-print-color-adjust, which I just updated to reference the spec draft too
  254. # [23:50] <TabAtkins> Cool.
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