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  1. # Session Start: Fri Dec 04 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #css
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  18. # [01:26] <fantasai> http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?saved=3773
  19. # [01:28] <TabAtkins> fantasai: ???
  20. # [01:28] <fantasai> TabAtkins: sending it to Rossen
  21. # [01:28] <TabAtkins> oh lol ok
  22. # [01:30] <fantasai> Rossen_web: www-archive@w3.org
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  24. # [01:31] <fantasai> TabAtkins: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2015Dec/0001.html :D
  25. # [01:32] <TabAtkins> Bleh.
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  27. # [01:33] <fantasai> Rossen_web: http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?saved=3775
  28. # [01:34] <fantasai> TabAtkins: what? why? They get it right!
  29. # [01:34] <TabAtkins> No they don't, check the size - it's the width fo the largest element * 2.
  30. # [01:34] <TabAtkins> That's not what we want to spec.
  31. # [01:35] <TabAtkins> oh wait, may have read this wrong
  32. # [01:35] <TabAtkins> ah yeah, red is the body, huh?
  33. # [01:35] <fantasai> yeah
  34. # [01:35] <TabAtkins> Then yay!
  35. # [01:35] <fantasai> yay!
  36. # [01:38] <fantasai> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2015Dec/0002.html
  37. # [01:38] <adenilson> TabAtkins: do you happen to know anyone in gcalendar/gmail team? There is a bug that is affecting WebKit/Blink/Gecko/Edge and is a one liner fix. In gcalendar it was reported internally almost 1 1/2 year ago.
  38. # [01:39] <fantasai> Rossen says that they had the correct behavior for the min-content case in IE, but apparently had to match chrome for web compat reasons???
  39. # [01:39] <fantasai> because it's a regression from IE to Edge
  40. # [01:39] <Rossen_web> you say "regression", I say "compat"
  41. # [01:39] <adenilson> fantasai: I wouldn’t be surprised. But the issue I’m concerned about is border-image.
  42. # [01:39] <Rossen_web> :)
  43. # [01:40] <TabAtkins> Rossen_web: Tell us when y'all match our bugs. >_<
  44. # [01:40] <adenilson> fantasai, Rossen_web when you got some spare time: https://github.com/whatwg/compat/issues/17
  45. # [01:40] <Rossen_web> TabAtkins: we do, Rik'll tell you
  46. # [01:41] <adenilson> TabAtkins: the fix in Blink can be found at: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=559258
  47. # [01:43] <TabAtkins> adenilson: I can find someone to ping, yeah.
  48. # [01:43] <fantasai> Rossen_web: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Dec/0055.html
  49. # [01:44] <fantasai> Rossen_web: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Dec/0018.html
  50. # [01:45] <adenilson> TabAtkins: that would be awesome. It got to a point where browser engines are being forced to implement the border-image quirk to be able to access gmail/gcalendar.
  51. # [01:45] <adenilson> Rossen_web: I talked to Matt Rakow and he said you guys would be willing to un-break Edge if WebKit/Blink are both fixed.
  52. # [01:46] <Rossen_web> adenilson: Sounds like a reasonable thing to do - have compat accross all implementations :)
  53. # [01:47] <adenilson> Rossen_web: indeed. I thought about the next step would be to write a message to www-style to share the information about the subject, and after collecting input, post a ‘intent to implement’ in Blink-dev.
  54. # [01:48] <adenilson> TabAtkins: “Intent to implement: spec compliance concerning border-image” sounds good?
  55. # [01:48] <TabAtkins> yup
  56. # [01:48] <adenilson> Coolio.
  57. # [01:49] <adenilson> TabAtkins: gmail internal bug is b/25961635.
  58. # [01:50] <adenilson> and gcalendar (the 1 1/2 year old one): #15803694
  59. # [01:50] <adenilson> Adding ‘border-image: solid’ would be the fix for any use of border-image.
  60. # [01:50] <adenilson> Oh, border-style: solid, I mean.
  61. # [01:51] <adenilson> WebKit has accepted the patch already, I put it on hold until we hear from gcalendar/gmail guys.
  62. # [01:51] <adenilson> TabAtkins: can you access the internal bug tracker for the aforementioned bugs?
  63. # [01:52] <TabAtkins> yeah
  64. # [01:53] <adenilson> TabAtkins: as we don’t have access to it, when you got some spare time, could you share if is there any activity on them? I already asked Alan Cutter about it.
  65. # [01:54] <TabAtkins> k, i cc'd myself on the gmail one
  66. # [01:54] <adenilson> Awesome! Thanks a lot. :-)
  67. # [01:55] <adenilson> TabAtkins: should I add you on the cc for the blink/chromium patch?
  68. # [01:55] <TabAtkins> sure
  69. # [01:55] <adenilson> Any prefered email?
  70. # [01:59] <TabAtkins> jackalmage@gmail.com, please
  71. # [01:59] <adenilson> Done.
  72. # [02:00] <adenilson> TabAtkins: that is funny, your email is not listed as a Chromium project member.
  73. # [02:00] <adenilson> (so no auto complete).
  74. # [02:03] <adenilson> fantasai: Boris has mentioned this issue on
  75. # [02:03] <adenilson> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Nov/0260.html
  76. # [02:04] <adenilson> I’m assuming that the ‘right thing to do’ (Tm) is for everyone to fix the bug i.e. WebKit/Blink + gmail/gcalendar.
  77. # [02:04] <adenilson> *But* what happens if gcalendar/gmail will be unwilling to fix their code?
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  79. # [02:05] <adenilson> I would say maybe it would make sense to *sigh* change the spec.
  80. # [02:05] <adenilson> fantasai: what you think about this?
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  82. # [02:08] <TabAtkins> adenilson: Yeah, my @chromium one is.
  83. # [02:09] <TabAtkins> adenilson: No sense speculating on that unless we get a firm no from gmail/gcal.
  84. # [02:09] <TabAtkins> And I'm happy to escalate in mgmt for this, given how trivial it is, if there's pushback.
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  87. # [02:11] <adenilson> TabAtkins: Agreed, makes sense. Because the alternative would allow an element with a border-image be rendered *even* if you define border-style: none.
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  199. # [21:09] <dbaron> TabAtkins, was it intentional that https://hg.csswg.org/drafts/rev/f34a2a8b8177 removed the places that said the default alignment was "safe" ?
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  202. # [21:29] <adenilson> TabAtkins: ping? I posted on www-style about the border-image case.
  203. # [21:29] <adenilson> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Dec/0080.html
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  208. # [22:07] <TabAtkins> dbaron: Yes, because the prior checkin canonized that the default alignment was "unsafe" for everything.
  209. # [22:07] <TabAtkins> Per WG discussion previously that concluded we should just do "unsafe" for everything.
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  219. # [23:39] <fantasai> dbaron: This was the discussion I brought up at TPAC
  220. # [23:40] <fantasai> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Nov/0288.html
  221. # [23:40] <fantasai> you were there :)
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