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  4. # [00:03] <Bas> Callek: Did you get an answer?
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  18. # [00:41] <RyanVM> is there a way to change the page size of an existing places database?
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  28. # [00:53] <Callek_Away> Bas: no, no answer yet
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  36. # [01:00] <Callek_Away> Bas: still around? have an answer for me Q? :-)
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  75. # [01:59] <JuanDaugherty> ff 9 breaks layout on an older customized wikimedia instance I have. Where might I look (i've looked in firebug) for hints on why?
  76. # [02:00] <Callek_Away> JuanDaugherty: theres a bug on file for it, its due to an older jQuery version
  77. # [02:00] <Callek_Away> JuanDaugherty: give me a moment and I can find the bug
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  79. # [02:00] <JuanDaugherty> ah great
  80. # [02:01] <JuanDaugherty> and yes the only problems shown in firebug were a couple of js stmnts
  81. # [02:01] <@smaug> JuanDaugherty: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=679971#c13
  82. # [02:03] <Callek_Away> smaug++
  83. # [02:03] <Callek_Away> (I *just* found the link)
  84. # [02:03] <JuanDaugherty> so I gather there's no fix, have to wait for 10?
  85. # [02:04] <JuanDaugherty> or upgrade jquery
  86. # [02:04] <dahal> Hello everyone, I am a student developer from Nepal, and I am interested in Firefox development. I have read the introduction pages at https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Introduction. Although I am good at programming I have never had any experience with a real life open source project (though I do use git).
  87. # [02:04] <Callek_Away> JuanDaugherty: the best solution is to upgrade your mediaWiki version
  88. # [02:04] <JuanDaugherty> yeah, I've been avoiding that
  89. # [02:04] <dahal> Hence can anyone please suggest me whether I should start on Fennec or on Firefox
  90. # [02:04] <Callek_Away> but there is casual talk about taking a backout in a 9.0.2 :-)
  91. # [02:04] <Callek_Away> not sure who is on point about making that call
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  93. # [02:05] <dahal> I am familiar with C/C++. Thanks, hope I would be suggested something good.
  94. # [02:06] <JuanDaugherty> ff9 has an infinitesmal share at this point so I can live with it for a bit
  95. # [02:06] <JuanDaugherty> there's also this thing I test on every new release at regular wikipedia
  96. # [02:06] <JuanDaugherty> running on 32bit linux
  97. # [02:07] <JuanDaugherty> which is just to scroll down quickly
  98. # [02:07] <JuanDaugherty> crashes every time if I do it with the mouse
  99. # [02:07] <JuanDaugherty> by grabbing the scrollbar
  100. # [02:07] <@smaug> JuanDaugherty: have you filed a bug report
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  102. # [02:08] <@smaug> JuanDaugherty: do you have crash id ?
  103. # [02:08] <@smaug> about:crashes
  104. # [02:08] <@smaug> (never heard of such crash)
  105. # [02:09] <@smaug> JuanDaugherty: btw, it is better to test using aurora than releases
  106. # [02:09] <JuanDaugherty> looks like I turned it off about 3-4 months ago when I decided to fork usage of 3.6 as stable and whatever was rolling down the pike as current
  107. # [02:09] <@smaug> that way you can still affect to the release if there are bugs
  108. # [02:11] <Callek_Away> NeilAway: still looking for an answer to my above issue -- when you get back, please tell me specifics
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  110. # [02:11] <JuanDaugherty> I'm using this bug as a sniff/smoke test so it would be self-defeating to lose it anyway other than thru the regular mozdev process fixing it
  111. # [02:12] <JuanDaugherty> and it's possible it's just this debian host, dunno that for sure, doesn't reproduce on Windows or Mac
  112. # [02:15] <WG9s> Well, if you don't file a bug including the exact steps you use to reproduce the issue, it will probably never get fixed.
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  114. # [02:16] <JuanDaugherty> unlikely if it's more general than my one instances
  115. # [02:17] <JuanDaugherty> *instance
  116. # [02:18] <JuanDaugherty> new integral version numbers seem to be coming awfully close together
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  118. # [02:18] <JuanDaugherty> is the core proj still called moz central?
  119. # [02:18] <WG9s> Well you see filing the bug will make it possible for someone else to at least try to reproduce so we can see if it is just you .
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  121. # [02:21] <JuanDaugherty> hmm, I just enable crash reporting to try and reproduce it and couldn't
  122. # [02:21] <JuanDaugherty> *enabled
  123. # [02:23] <WG9s> maybe it has been fixed?
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  125. # [02:31] <JuanDaugherty> well I checked when I just downloaded 9 so must be transient
  126. # [02:34] <JuanDaugherty> and setting taintEnabled clears the mediawiki thing
  127. # [02:34] <JuanDaugherty> thx for the pointer
  128. # [02:36] <WG9s> IS there a particual wikipedia page you use to cause this crash?
  129. # [02:37] <JuanDaugherty> just the front page generally
  130. # [02:37] <JuanDaugherty> but when I couldn't I tried a couple of longer ones
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  132. # [02:38] <WG9s> and do you get a crash peropt, or is it more of an X11 type crash?
  133. # [02:39] <WG9s> might be a graphics driver issue and not a Mozilla issue at all.
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  136. # [02:40] <WG9s> which might also explain why you cant reproduce suddenly if you recently applied OS level patches.
  137. # [02:40] <JuanDaugherty> only thing I can think may have changed it is I installed firebug to try to find the mediawiki thing
  138. # [02:40] <JuanDaugherty> can't reproduce the crash at all now
  139. # [02:41] <JuanDaugherty> used to be able to so maybe 9 did fix it
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  141. # [02:44] <JuanDaugherty> so it was the NY Times, not wiki and a crash report was submitted, not reproduced on mac or windows, front page
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  152. # [02:52] <JuanDaugherty> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=714695
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  155. # [02:55] <JuanDaugherty> ah so the crash report indicates something will look into that later
  156. # [02:56] <JuanDaugherty> will probably fix it so going to close the report
  157. # [02:56] <JuanDaugherty> thx again
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  159. # [03:00] <JuanDaugherty> actually not sure so will leave it open
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  161. # [03:03] <WG9s> yes leave it open please
  162. # [03:03] <WG9s> seems to be at least related to something poeple are already working on trying to figure out.
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  165. # [03:09] <Callek> yea wikipedia main page does not use a plugin (afaik) and that crash report seems to be a plugin issue at NYT
  166. # [03:09] <Callek> and could very well e a different issue
  167. # [03:10] <JuanDaugherty> well the wikipedia thing doesn't cause a crash, I conflated that with the crash. Also mistakenly thought the crash report indicated in the app notes I a lib I was missing
  168. # [03:11] <JuanDaugherty> but don't think the crash is related to that field
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  171. # [03:11] <Callek> yea that missing lib is unrelated
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  185. # [03:34] <Callek> NeilAway: is this correct, at a glance: http://callek.pastebin.mozilla.org/1430925
  186. # [03:35] * Callek would accept someone like khuey|away, ted, Bas, etc. telling me if it does indeed (a) continue to work with internal libxul linkage, and would make it work with external linkage
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  190. # [03:38] <Callek> ugh guess not: http://callek.pastebin.mozilla.org/1430926
  191. # [03:38] <Callek> help wanted
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  193. # [03:40] <Callek> oooo I think I see (at least part) of my mistake)
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  196. # [03:43] <glob> nuts, 'mass password reset' is apparently incompatible with nightly
  197. # [03:44] <Callek> NeilAway: new patch: http://callek.pastebin.mozilla.org/1430927
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  200. # [03:50] <Mossop> glob: In what way? Nightly has default to compatible on so it should work, or are you saying it is actually broken?
  201. # [03:50] <glob> Mossop, nightly it telling me it isn't compatible, and won't let me enable it
  202. # [03:51] <Mossop> hmm
  203. # [03:51] <glob> Mossop, the amo page also says "May be incompatible with Firefox 12.0a1"
  204. # [03:51] <Mossop> WFM
  205. # [03:51] <Unfocused> wfm
  206. # [03:51] <glob> interesting
  207. # [03:51] <Mossop> Oh I have compat checking disabled
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  209. # [03:52] <Mossop> Still wfm
  210. # [03:52] <Unfocused> i don't, and it wfm
  211. # [03:53] <Unfocused> glob: in about:config, can you check the value of extensions.strictCompatibility ?
  212. # [03:53] <Mossop> Unfocused: I have exactly one add-on that is too old for DTC to work but still works fine in Nightly :(
  213. # [03:53] <glob> Unfocused, = false
  214. # [03:54] <nigelb> Unfocused = false?
  215. # [03:54] <nigelb> :D
  216. # [03:54] <glob> nigelb, heh
  217. # [03:54] <Unfocused> hm, thats what i should be
  218. # [03:54] <Unfocused> Mossop: yea :\ think we may need to look into whitelist overrides
  219. # [03:55] <Unfocused> (which begs the question, how do we get data on what's working ok?)
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  221. # [03:56] <Unfocused> huh: http://grab.by/buGO
  222. # [03:56] <glob> Unfocused, yup, that's what i'm seeing
  223. # [03:56] <njn> anyone know about the Necko cache? E.g. is it a performance win?
  224. # [03:57] <glob> Unfocused, it was disabled when i started nightly; along with a tab for each installed addon asking to be enabled (grr)
  225. # [03:58] <Unfocused> hm, sounds like the database got corrupted
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  227. # [03:58] <luke> philor: heh, we both retriggered
  228. # [03:58] * njn has a suspicion that the Necko cache is a complete waste of time, and that nsRecyclingAllocator should be removed with prejudice
  229. # [03:59] <glob> Unfocused, do you want me to file a bug?
  230. # [03:59] <Unfocused> yea, please
  231. # [03:59] <Unfocused> am investigating now
  232. # [04:00] <glob> Unfocused, product/component? amo/administration?
  233. # [04:01] <Unfocused> put it in Toolkit :: Add-ons Manager for now
  234. # [04:01] <Unfocused> til i prove otherwise
  235. # [04:01] <Mossop> Attach extensions.sqlite and extensions.log to the bug
  236. # [04:02] <JuanDaugherty> dahal, I dunno if anybody else answered but yes this would be a good project, if you don't mind the size and complexity of the codebase.
  237. # [04:03] <JuanDaugherty> also it's more than just C/C++, there's an idiosyncratic build environment, idl, js, etc.
  238. # [04:05] <Callek> Mossop: glob, to be clear extensions.sqlite and .log presumes you're not against having "the world" know about what extensions you have/had installed :-)
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  240. # [04:08] <Mossop> Well, quite often we'll want to know that information in the bug anyway ;)
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  242. # [04:10] * glob files bug 714698
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  244. # [04:12] <Mossop> glob: Do you have Addon Compatibility Reporter installed, and did you just install it?
  245. # [04:13] <glob> Mossop, no
  246. # [04:14] <glob> Mossop, to both. however when i started nightly after an update it was asked to re-enable all my addons
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  248. # [04:14] <glob> *i was asked
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  250. # [04:15] <Mossop> Yeah, that's a known issue with cases where we try to recover from being unable to open the database
  251. # [04:16] <Unfocused> so.... the problem is that the maxVersion in install.rdf is 3.6a1pre, which is less than the minimum compatible version. and for some reason, AMO isn't sending the compatibility update
  252. # [04:16] <Mossop> The problem is becoming discovering why that happened in the first place :(
  253. # [04:17] <Unfocused> so i'd say its a MO regression
  254. # [04:17] <Mossop> Unfocused: I thought you couldn't reproduce?
  255. # [04:17] <Unfocused> er, AMO regression
  256. # [04:18] <Unfocused> Mossop: my installed version is compatible. but i can't re-install it from AMO
  257. # [04:18] <Unfocused> my installed version has the compatibility update applied
  258. # [04:18] <Mossop> Oh, I installed from AMO fine
  259. # [04:18] <Unfocused> you did? hmm
  260. # [04:19] <Unfocused> the update ping isn't sending a compatibility update as expected: https://versioncheck.addons.mozilla.org/update/VersionCheck.php?reqVersion=2&id=masspasswordreset@johnathan.nightingale&version=1.05&maxAppVersion=3.6a1pre&status=userEnabled,incompatible&;appID={ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384}&appVersion=12.0a1&appOS=WINNT&appABI=x86-msvc&locale=en-US&currentAppVersion=12.0a1&updateType=49&com
  261. # [04:19] <Unfocused> patMode=normal
  262. # [04:19] <Unfocused> er
  263. # [04:19] <Unfocused> https://versioncheck.addons.mozilla.org/update/VersionCheck.php?reqVersion=2&id=masspasswordreset@johnathan.nightingale&version=1.05&maxAppVersion=3.6a1pre&status=userEnabled,incompatible&;appID={ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384}&appVersion=12.0a1&appOS=WINNT&appABI=x86-msvc&locale=en-US&currentAppVersion=12.0a1&updateType=49&compatMode=normal
  264. # [04:21] <Mossop> Huh
  265. # [04:21] <Mossop> So I guess I installed it with compatibility checking disabled, then enabled that and it let me keep it. Which is odd
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  267. # [04:22] <Mossop> Unfocused: https://versioncheck.addons.mozilla.org/update/VersionCheck.php?reqVersion=2&id=masspasswordreset@johnathan.nightingale&version=1.05&maxAppVersion=3.6a1pre&status=userEnabled,incompatible&;appID={ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384}&appVersion=12.0a1&appOS=WINNT&appABI=x86-msvc&locale=en-US&currentAppVersion=12.0a1&updateType=49&compatMode=ignore
  268. # [04:22] <Mossop> When compatMode is ignore AMO sends the right data
  269. # [04:22] <Unfocused> yea
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  271. # [04:23] <Unfocused> there was a bug for compat-by-default support that went live recently
  272. # [04:23] <Unfocused> betting its a regression from that
  273. # [04:24] <Unfocused> fwiw, i filed bug 704300 awhile ago :)
  274. # [04:24] <Unfocused> firebot: bug 704300
  275. # [04:25] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704300 nor, P1, ---, bmcbride, RESO DUPLICATE, Compatibility update not applied for default-to-compatible addon's that don't meet min compat versio
  276. # [04:25] <Unfocused> ah, bug 703781 went live recently
  277. # [04:25] <glob> Unfocused, is there a way for me to work around this for now? no prizes for guessing why i need that extension :)
  278. # [04:26] <Unfocused> glob: disable compatibility checking (extensions.checkCompatibility.nightly = false), then install
  279. # [04:26] <glob> Unfocused, thanks
  280. # [04:27] <Unfocused> once it's installed, you can re-enable compatibility checking (there will be a warning in the addons manager that has a button to re-enable for you)
  281. # [04:27] <glob> Unfocused, installed, thanks again
  282. # [04:28] <Unfocused> :)
  283. # [04:29] <ewong> just wondering.. when did devs start attaching patches for reviews in bugs? (wondering if this question makes sense)
  284. # [04:30] <glob> ewong, do you mean to the emails?
  285. # [04:30] <ewong> glob no.. in bugs on bmo
  286. # [04:30] <glob> ewong, hasn't that happened since forever?
  287. # [04:31] <ewong> glob I dunno.. because I'm reading a few old bugs (circa 2003) and from one comment to the next it says "Resolved Fixed" and I don't see any patches attached to the bug
  288. # [04:31] <ewong> glob i.e. bug #173406
  289. # [04:38] <Unfocused> for that bug, it was really more of a WONTFIX / duplicate
  290. # [04:38] <Unfocused> but very early in firefox's development, not everything was reveiwed
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  293. # [04:46] <Callek> Mossop: Sooo... how well versed are you with COMPtr's + general linkage (internal/external) patches/bugs/etc?
  294. # [04:46] <Mossop> Callek: Not in the slightest
  295. # [04:47] <Mossop> The amount I really understand about C++ linkage could be described in a very very short paragraph
  296. # [04:47] <ewong> Unfocused: ooh. thanks for the clarification
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  298. # [04:48] <Mossop> ewong: Over the course of development there have certainly been a few "special" individuals who never bothered with getting reviews for their patches. Thankfully it doesn't happen anymore
  299. # [04:49] <Callek> Mossop: are you thinking the initial owner of the addonmanager code?
  300. # [04:49] <Callek> :-)
  301. # [04:50] <Mossop> Callek: Maybe
  302. # [04:50] <Callek> :-)
  303. # [04:50] <Callek> and the initial developer of <prefwindow> :-)
  304. # [04:50] <Callek> [hint: same person]
  305. # [04:51] <ewong> Mossop right.. as I can't learn without looking at patches.. :)
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  307. # [04:52] <Mossop> Many many times I have done historical digging to find where some code came from to find just "refactoring landed", no review, no bug comments
  308. # [04:56] <ewong> just encountered this situation unfortunately..
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  313. # [05:17] <Callek> ewong: yea, its anoying
  314. # [05:18] <Callek> basically we always want a bug on file, there are rare exceptions to the rule, but they should be rarer than winning the lotto :-)
  315. # [05:18] <Callek> historically we have been bad at that in some cases
  316. # [05:21] <ewong> Callek and it just so happens that the bug I'm looking at doesn't have a patch on file.. heh.. should go buy a lottery..
  317. # [05:21] <Callek> ewong: I mean the _LEGIT_ reasons to not have a bug/patch/etc. tieing things together, should be that rare
  318. # [05:22] <Callek> if its pretty old, then its more likely to have happened, but doesn't change my opinion on it
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  320. # [05:26] <Callek> NeilAway: FYI, stuffed that patch (external services.h) to try https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=c174ec14ecaa am I right that it would suite your needs here, if it passes review?
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  335. # [06:09] <Bas> Callek: Still here?
  336. # [06:09] <Callek> Bas: yep
  337. # [06:10] <Bas> Callek: 't Was my birthday tonight, so hence I hasn't all too present :)
  338. # [06:10] <Callek> Bas: I haven't looked at my oranges yet, but I pushed my attempt to try https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=c174ec14ecaa
  339. # [06:10] <Callek> :-)
  340. # [06:10] <Callek> (happy birthday)
  341. # [06:10] <Callek> Bas: does that do as I want? (make mozilla::services::Get* accessible via external linkage?)
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  344. # [06:12] <Bas> So, __dllspec(import) is what you'd do on windows if you're importing from an internal API, __dllspec(export) is what you're doing if you're drawing it in.. Usually the specifics are defined through a macro like THEBES_API and such, but it kind of depends on the component, what semantics you actually want.
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  346. # [06:12] <Bas> *drawing==*dragging
  347. # [06:12] <Callek> Bas: I found those Macro's in http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/xpcom/base/nscore.h
  348. # [06:12] <Callek> Bas: specifically: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/xpcom/base/nscore.h#164
  349. # [06:13] <Bas> callek: mozilla.org is taking its time :) give me a second.
  350. # [06:13] <Callek> so I'm essentially marking the header with __declspec(dllimport) *everywhere* and __declspec(dllexport) in its implementation
  351. # [06:14] <Callek> and I'm exporting an already_addref<> pointer to an nsCOMPtr
  352. # [06:14] <Bas> callek: That'll probably generate compiler warnings.
  353. # [06:15] <Callek> yea, I'm not sure how this is normally done
  354. # [06:15] <Callek> so its mostly the macro-to-use I need help with at this point
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  356. # [06:17] <Callek> Bas: I'm pretty sure that whatever I should use is defined in nscore.h
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  358. # [06:18] <Callek> Bas: I guess my second largest issue I need clarification on, is if its ok to pass an already_addref<> pointer to an nsCOMPtr across DllBoundaries like this?
  359. # [06:20] <Callek> (since doing this can cause allocater differences, we should think of the potential for nsCOMPtr<> being allocated in libxul, and then that already_addref<>'ed getting accessed/used in a dll/exe without mozalloc.h magic
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  361. # [06:24] <Bas> Callek: Will, the thing is, you really want releases to occur in whatever DLL did the allocation, as you want the DLL to occur whereever the allocation occured.
  362. # [06:24] <Bas> *well
  363. # [06:25] <Callek> Bas: yea, the only reason I'm even doing this, is because Neil is set on wanting mailnews to be able to build with external linkage
  364. # [06:25] <Bas> On windows this is actually important, multiple links with a static CRT will actually link to different heaps and cause issues. Evertything linking to the samed shared CRT will cause issues.
  365. # [06:26] <Callek> I personally don't see the point, and don't want to bother
  366. # [06:26] <Callek> but I *do* want to use mozilla::services in the default case, which is faster for the builds
  367. # [06:26] <Bas> Ugh
  368. # [06:26] <Callek> and in our default builds we do link into libxul
  369. # [06:27] <Bas> Yeah, mozilla:: is a bit broken there. The last release should -really- occur 'within' libxul, if it was allocated from there.
  370. # [06:27] <Callek> I really don't want to macro or wrap this in a util library separate from mozilla::services::* just for that use-case
  371. # [06:28] <Bas> It's tricky, putting __declspec(import) will generate warnings all over the place in the external build version.
  372. # [06:28] <Bas> Since that will get something like 'locally defined symbol imported' or along those lines.
  373. # [06:28] <Bas> But I've seen graphite generate a bunch of those errors recently.
  374. # [06:28] <Mossop> Can't mozilla::services return just a pointer that is already addrefed rather than a nsCOMPtr?
  375. # [06:29] <Callek> Mossop: it is an already_addrefed<>
  376. # [06:29] <Mossop> You;re saying it is returning an nsCOMPtr though?
  377. # [06:29] <Callek> #define MOZ_SERVICE(NAME, TYPE, SERVICE_CID) already_AddRefed<TYPE> Get##NAME();
  378. # [06:29] <Callek> I apologize, got myself mixed up
  379. # [06:30] <Mossop> Oh, then I don't see the problem. Freeing will still occur in libxul when the last user calls Release on the object
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  381. # [06:31] <Callek> does doing the impl as |NS_EXPORT_(already_AddRefed<TYPE>) | and the header as | NS_IMPORT_(already_AddRefed<TYPE>) Get##NAME();| mean trouble in warning land?
  382. # [06:31] <Callek> or is there a macro to use that makes life easier
  383. # [06:31] <Mossop> That I know nothing about sadly
  384. # [06:31] <Callek> (nscore.h already has some |#if !defined(XPCOM_GLUE)| in it, but I don't know a better solution top of my head)
  385. # [06:33] <Callek> ....my Cpp memory has not been exercised much lately, so I'm straining to remember this complex mechanics ;-)
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  388. # [06:44] <Bas> Callek: The problem is really that NS_IMPORT or NS_EXPORT usage are really dependent on what compile unit you're using them in. IMPORT if it's going to be linked directly to the function. EXPORT if your function is going to be imported from an external DLL.
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  395. # [06:52] <KWierso> pretty much, yeah
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  397. # [06:56] <Bas> We have macros for this in different parts of the tree, (like THEBES_API for example), but it's hard to say what you should be using when linking an arbitrary component into an arbitrary place.
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  409. # [07:17] <Bas> Callek: Did this make any sense?
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  417. # [07:24] <glob> is it me... or are the background on the moco phonebook site no longer being displayed in nightly? http://i.imgur.com/8jZDU.png
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  419. # [07:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-1.9.2/rev/6a3b9290d823 - Phil Ringnalda - Bug 714501 - Update browser/toolkit copyright dates to 2012, r+a=dveditz
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  421. # [07:26] <KWierso> glob: getting four warnings in the error console when I load the phonebook
  422. # [07:26] <KWierso> (and I'm not seeing the backgrounds)
  423. # [07:27] <glob> sounds like i need to file a bug. i have no idea where it belongs though :)
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  425. # [07:28] <KWierso> glob: websites: other?
  426. # [07:29] <KWierso> glob: er, Webtools: Phonebook
  427. # [07:29] <glob> KWierso, i think it's a nightly issue, not a phonebook one. it works in aurora and all other browsers
  428. # [07:29] <KWierso> heh, tech evang? :P
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  430. # [07:32] <philor> did it stop working with the 2011-12-24 nightly?
  431. # [07:33] <glob> philor, not sure, that's about the time _i_ stopped working :) do you have a particular bug in mind?
  432. # [07:33] <philor> glob: I do indeed
  433. # [07:33] <Unfocused> probably the border-image spec change
  434. # [07:34] <philor> the khuey-breaks-the-moz-prefixed-world change
  435. # [07:34] <KWierso> two of the four warnings are "unknown property 'border-image'"
  436. # [07:35] <KWierso> being applied to the body of each vcard element
  437. # [07:35] <philor> and are the -moz-border-image declarations that are right before that rather lacking in the "fill" keyword?
  438. # [07:36] <KWierso> right after
  439. # [07:36] <KWierso> -moz-border-image: url(../img/vcard_body_bg.png) 0 16 0 16 repeat repeat;
  440. # [07:37] <glob> philor, what's the bug number?
  441. # [07:41] <philor> 497995
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  445. # [07:42] <philor> slackers. I had my bustage fixed and deployed on Christmas day.
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  455. # [08:18] <philor> mfinkle: you're looking pretty busted on native talos
  456. # [08:18] <mfinkle> grr
  457. # [08:18] <philor> Exception handling message "DOMWindowClose", java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException, if logcat is to be believed
  458. # [08:19] <mfinkle> nah
  459. # [08:19] <mfinkle> java.lang.NullPointerException
  460. # [08:20] <mfinkle> at org.mozilla.gecko.GeckoApp$SessionSnapshotRunnable.run(GeckoApp.java:615)
  461. # [08:20] <philor> oh, I wasn't far enough down
  462. # [08:20] <philor> too used to "the last few screenfuls will be garbage"
  463. # [08:21] <mfinkle> lol
  464. # [08:21] <mfinkle> I can either backout the offender or fix it
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  466. # [08:21] <mfinkle> it's https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0284b1ff46c6
  467. # [08:23] <mfinkle> let's just back it out
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  469. # [08:23] <mfinkle> cause I'd rather sleep
  470. # [08:25] <mfinkle> coming up
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  472. # [08:27] <mfinkle> done
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  477. # [08:37] <philor> thx - I was busy worrying about how I was burning Firefox3.6 instead of how you were burning inbound :)
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  498. # [09:42] <Ms2ger> "Firefox can't find the server at www.mochi.test."
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  503. # [09:43] <philor> it should have tried www2.0.mochi.test
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  505. # [09:44] <Ms2ger> I guess I could start by compiling
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  538. # [10:40] <IRCMonkey39140> hello! I have a xul application that download a file. With xulrunner 1.9 I can do it without problems adding a brand.dtd with the dialog content. But if I use xulrunner 8.0 appears like this brand.dtd is not read and I get an XML error: "undefined entity" -> intro.label
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  565. # [11:17] <hendry> Hi there, I have a serious problem getting back/forward buttons working when the #urlbar is hidden, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=711105 Can anyone please help?
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  583. # [11:38] <Mnyromyr> I'd rather know how to make Bugzilla stop sending diffs >:-|
  584. # [11:39] <Mnyromyr> I don't want them in my mail
  585. # [11:39] <Mnyromyr> that's just a waste of traffic
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  587. # [11:45] <Mnyromyr> uh, it's bug 713208
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  604. # [12:03] <Nilos> hi @all
  605. # [12:03] <Nilos> why is window.crypto.random not available in firefox but webkit based browsers?
  606. # [12:03] <Nilos> will it be added?
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  608. # [12:10] <@smaug> Nilos: IIRC the patch is waiting for reviews
  609. # [12:10] <@smaug> let me find the bug
  610. # [12:11] <Nilos> smaug : good :)
  611. # [12:12] <@smaug> Nilos: ah, it is there already
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  613. # [12:12] <@smaug> hmm
  614. # [12:12] <Unfocused> Nilos: bug 440046
  615. # [12:12] <Nilos> thx
  616. # [12:13] <Unfocused> smaug: ^
  617. # [12:14] <@smaug> Unfocused: yeah, thanks
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  638. # [12:42] <hsivonen> dao: do you get bug comment email for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=711105 even though you aren't CC'ed?
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  640. # [12:42] <dao> hsivonen: yes
  641. # [12:43] <hsivonen> dao: ok. I hear that bug is a blocker for a Firefox-based product (Web converger)
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  643. # [12:52] <Ms2ger> philor|away, [android_tier_∞]?
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  648. # [12:54] * Ms2ger kicks his build
  649. # [12:54] <Ms2ger> Why don't you crash?
  650. # [12:54] <@smaug> :)
  651. # [12:56] <Julian> so is anybody able to build from a fresh checkout (on Win7?)
  652. # [12:56] * bjacob replaces macros by templates in xpcom string classes (narrow vs wide chars)
  653. # [12:56] <Ms2ger> On Win7? No... But that's because I don't have a build env set up
  654. # [12:56] <Ms2ger> bjacob, :O
  655. # [12:56] <Ms2ger> You mean that's possible?!
  656. # [12:57] <Julian> well, I'm not sure it's w7 related
  657. # [12:57] <bjacob> Ms2ger: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/string/public/nsAString.h#62
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  659. # [12:57] <Ms2ger> Yeah, I know a bit about the horrible setup we use
  660. # [12:58] <Ms2ger> I wish I didnt'
  661. # [12:58] <gabor> Julian: how fresh?
  662. # [12:58] <gabor> shall I update and try?
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  670. # [13:08] <gabor> Ms2ger: Thanks for landing 677294
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  677. # [13:09] <Ms2ger> gabor, np
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  682. # [13:13] <gabor> khuey: could you help me a bit with these results? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=d5ab56ba2b18 I'm not sure which one of those failures are known and if there are any that could be caused by my patch...
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  688. # [13:17] <khuey> gabor: I believe those are all known intermittent failures
  689. # [13:17] <Ms2ger> Starred all of them, except Android
  690. # [13:18] <Ms2ger> Which looks worse than usual
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  692. # [13:18] <khuey> yeah
  693. # [13:18] <khuey> but it's android
  694. # [13:19] <khuey> so nobody except philor will notice if you add new failures
  695. # [13:19] <khuey> glandium: ping?
  696. # [13:19] <Ms2ger> darktrojan noticed a new permaorange, IIRC
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  699. # [13:21] <gabor> khuey: Ms2ger: so do you guys think that this patch is ready to be pushed? or shall I find philor first?
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  701. # [13:21] <gabor> not that I could push the patch anywhere on my own...
  702. # [13:21] <Ms2ger> Looks like network failures
  703. # [13:21] <Ms2ger> checkin-needed it
  704. # [13:22] <khuey> looks fine to me
  705. # [13:22] <gabor> thanks
  706. # [13:23] <gabor> khuey: I also added quite some tests to it, do you mind taking a look at them some time if I'm doing the right thing? you know the conversion from mochi test to xpcshell test for the windowless version of indexeddb...
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  709. # [13:24] <gabor> the mochi tests should be the very same as before, except now there will be some xpcshell tests too, so it should not hurt anyone...
  710. # [13:25] <khuey> ah yes, the gigantic patch
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  715. # [13:28] <gabor> khuey: I think the most interesting part is head_idb, the rest of the changes are quite trivial... there are some more tests to be changed but this patch is already way to big to add anything to it...
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  717. # [13:29] <khuey> gabor: it looks like maybe you lost some files?
  718. # [13:30] <khuey> gabor: I don't see a test_add_put.js for instance
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  722. # [13:33] <gabor> khuey: whoops
  723. # [13:34] <gabor> that's not good...
  724. # [13:34] <gabor> I forgot to add some files indeed in the end it seems
  725. # [13:34] <gabor> I'll fix it
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  727. # [13:37] <khuey> gabor: it looks fine to me, other than the whole losing files thing ;-)
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  735. # [13:42] <Ms2ger> gabor, what happened to your access bug?
  736. # [13:42] <khuey> I think it got caught in the "Erica isn't receiving my emails" trap, and then on the "Marcia is on vacation" trap
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  739. # [13:43] <gabor> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=710590
  740. # [13:43] <gabor> pretty much
  741. # [13:43] <gabor> slowly but surely progressing...
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  757. # [14:10] <Ms2ger> Can we use mfbt in mozalloc?
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  759. # [14:11] <khuey> ask glandium
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  762. # [14:12] <khuey> !seen dbaron
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  772. # [14:24] * khuey grumbles about shitty code
  773. # [14:26] <derf> khuey: What would cause a Windows crash with "no crashing thread identified"?
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  775. # [14:28] <khuey> usually that means that breakpad couldn't get backtraces at all
  776. # [14:28] <Ms2ger> khuey, Gecko?
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  778. # [14:29] <khuey> Ms2ger: srsly
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  780. # [14:29] <Ms2ger> What's annoying you today? :)
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  782. # [14:30] <khuey> that layout sets up a new set of image observer objects on every paint
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  784. # [14:30] <Ms2ger> Nic
  785. # [14:30] <Ms2ger> e
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  787. # [14:30] <khuey> not really
  788. # [14:30] <derf> khuey: Okay, what would cause _that_?
  789. # [14:30] <khuey> derf: corrupt minidump, an OOM crash
  790. # [14:30] <derf> (https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/356b5274-38ea-456e-aab8-3c6f62120103 btw)
  791. # [14:30] <khuey> maybe some other things
  792. # [14:31] <derf> I'd be surprised at OOM.
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  794. # [14:31] <derf> But it's repeatable.
  795. # [14:31] <khuey> Ms2ger: my attempts to make this stuff sane are being thwarted by the volume of insanity
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  797. # [14:31] <Ms2ger> Well, try making it saner, rather than sane, then :)
  798. # [14:31] <khuey> derf: interesting
  799. # [14:32] <khuey> derf: you should talk to ted
  800. # [14:32] <khuey> he's the breakpad guy
  801. # [14:32] <derf> ted: ^
  802. # [14:32] <khuey> Ms2ger: saner might not be sane enough for my purposes
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  809. # [14:38] <hsivonen> what's the current plan for pushing 9.0.1 as a prompted update to 3.6.x and as a automatic update for later versions?
  810. # [14:38] <hsivonen> is "before January 10th" still the plan of record?
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  822. # [14:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/3c3f90925e20 - Michael Ratcliffe - Bug 589375 - Inspector: style panel keyboard access. r=msucan
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  824. # [14:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/35d39a331bb8 - Michael Ratcliffe - Bug 704132 - Style Inspector's left column should auto-fit text contents. r=dao r=paul
  825. # [14:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8be4e3d2105e - Victor Porof - Bug 712472 - click-and-drag in Tilt becomes wonky after you do full-page-zoom (Ctrl +). r=robcee
  826. # [14:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a737cc816eec - Tim Taubert - merge m-c to fx-team
  827. # [14:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a60b890c6936 - Victor Porof - Bug 713360 - [highlighter] Breadcrumbs bar started looking funny after bug 497995 landed. r=dao
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  830. # [14:53] <ted> derf: it can be OOM, or somewhat-OOM (out of virtual memory due to memory fragmentation)
  831. # [14:53] <ted> or it can be heap corruption or something
  832. # [14:54] <ted> the microsoft minidump writing libs are not memory safe, so lots of things can trip them up
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  837. # [14:55] <derf> ted: Anything that can be done to investigate further?
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  839. # [14:56] <ted> the dump file is literally zero bytes, so nothing from that report
  840. # [14:56] <ted> if it's reproducible, and you can catch it under a debugger, then yes
  841. # [14:57] <derf> Okay, thanks.
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  857. # [15:09] <@smaug> bc: ping
  858. # [15:09] <bc> smaug: pong
  859. # [15:10] <@smaug> bc: which build did you use for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=702813#c35 ?
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  861. # [15:11] <bc> they started on 2011-12-29. Not sure if it was really a 28 or 29th linux nightly but i can check easily enough.
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  865. # [15:12] <bc> 28th
  866. # [15:12] <@smaug> bc: so it is before https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/52aad9bbe2ff
  867. # [15:12] <bc> y
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  869. # [15:13] <@smaug> and before https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/09bc6f7ed00e
  870. # [15:13] <@smaug> especially the first one could affect to CC times
  871. # [15:13] <bc> when did they land on mc?
  872. # [15:13] <@smaug> the first one 2011-12-23
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  874. # [15:14] <@smaug> the latter one already 2011-11-29
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  876. # [15:14] <@smaug> m-c has also many other (small) fixes
  877. # [15:15] <bc> well, this was mc from the 28th so it would have picked up the first at least.
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  879. # [15:15] <@smaug> ah, m-c, not FF10
  880. # [15:16] <bc> nope
  881. # [15:16] <bc> nightly firefox build.
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  886. # [15:16] <@smaug> bc: but the highest cc times is 288 ?
  887. # [15:17] <bc> oh which one?
  888. # [15:17] <@smaug> bc: you could perhaps file a new bug for the GC times
  889. # [15:17] <@smaug> http://mako.co.il/
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  892. # [15:18] <@smaug> GC problems are something for JS eng
  893. # [15:18] <bc> ok.
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  901. # [15:19] <@smaug> oh, http://www.mako.co.il/ is interesting
  902. # [15:20] <@smaug> it creates lots of garbage
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  904. # [15:20] <@smaug> *lots*
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  906. # [15:21] <@smaug> what causes error console to clear itself automatically ?
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  940. # [15:32] <Callek> Bas: made sense, yes. Helped me no :(
  941. # [15:33] <Callek> (though in general knowledge sense, it did help)
  942. # [15:33] <Callek> NeilAway: ping
  943. # [15:33] <Callek> suppose, Standard8 ping as well (he may know)
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  962. # [15:43] <bc> smaug: are the large cc times for the continous load set with extra pop up windows open relevent to the bug you are working on now or should I also file a different bug?
  963. # [15:44] <Bas> Callek: I was a little distracted this morning, I re-read the backlog but I'm afraid I'm still not completely sure of what you want to do?
  964. # [15:44] <@smaug> bc: well, extra popup windows aren't about the bug you reported those times to
  965. # [15:45] <@smaug> bc: extra popup windows are just about traversing too much
  966. # [15:45] <Callek> Bas: what I want to do is, write a patch similar to https://hg.mozilla.org/try/rev/c174ec14ecaa that actually makes mozilla::services::* able to be used outside libxul, when something links against libxul (not into)
  967. # [15:45] <Callek> Bas: specifically mozilla::services::Get*
  968. # [15:45] <Callek> Bas: without harming the internal to libxul uses
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  973. # [15:47] <Bas> Callek: OKay, so what you want to do is create a #define (liked THEBES_API, say, SERVICES_API) that in a libxul build, gets defined to nothing, and in a build that wants to be linked to externally, gets defined to NS_IMPORT or NS_EXPORT depending on whether the compile unit the header is in is internal or external.
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  977. # [15:49] <Callek> Bas: do you happen to know of any _existing_ define around here that can do just that, without me having to reinvent the wheel?
  978. # [15:49] <Callek> if you don't, happen to know who would?
  979. # [15:49] <khuey> XPCOM_API
  980. # [15:49] <Bas> Callek: THEBES_API :)
  981. # [15:49] <khuey> probably
  982. # [15:49] <Callek> XPCOM_API works for this??
  983. # [15:49] <khuey> hmm
  984. # [15:49] <khuey> well, that might depend
  985. # [15:49] <Callek> (where were you last night :-P)
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  987. # [15:50] <khuey> heh
  988. # [15:50] <khuey> it depends on what you want the symbols to be exported on
  989. # [15:50] <khuey> but I think you should probably use XPCOM_API
  990. # [15:50] <khuey> Bas: I should fix that
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  992. # [15:51] <Bas> khuey callek: Yeah, the problem is in a libxul build I believe NS_IMPORT and NS_EXPORT are defined to nothing.
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  994. # [15:51] <Bas> So if you want to export 'extra' stuff from a libxul build, NS_EXPORT might not work.
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  996. # [15:51] <Callek> khuey: oooooo wait, looks like I can't use XPCOM_API it does extern "C"
  997. # [15:51] <khuey> Bas: I don't think that's true
  998. # [15:51] <Callek> and this is namespace "mozilla" { namespace "services" { ... }}
  999. # [15:51] <khuey> Callek: ah, right
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  1002. # [15:51] <khuey> hmm, this is kind of tricky
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  1004. # [15:51] <Bas> khuey: Really? Hm.
  1005. # [15:52] <khuey> namespace mangling can vary between compiler versions
  1006. # [15:52] <khuey> Bas: you're thinking of NS_COM_GLUE or something
  1007. # [15:52] <khuey> Callek: you should talk to bsmedberg
  1008. # [15:52] <Bas> khuey: You're right :) I'm wrong.
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  1010. # [15:53] <ejpbruel> khuey: ping
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  1012. # [15:53] <Bas> khuey: We just seem to mass export I guess :)
  1013. # [15:53] <khuey> ejpbruel: pong
  1014. # [15:53] <khuey> Bas: we don't export that much stuff
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  1018. # [15:53] <Bas> khuey: Well, all of thebes seems to be exported looking at the macro definitions :)
  1019. # [15:53] <Bas> For example.
  1020. # [15:53] <khuey> Bas: last I looked we export 2000 symbols or so from libxul, and 75-80% of those are THEBES_API symbols we should stop exporting
  1021. # [15:53] <Callek> ugh all this trickery because NeilAway and Standard8 want/wish for mozilla::services::Get* to work in mailnews for external linkage
  1022. # [15:53] <ejpbruel> khuey: can i ask you some things about the hidden window in firefox?
  1023. # [15:54] <Bas> khuey: Right, yeah :)
  1024. # [15:54] <Callek> even though mailnews/ is by-default internal linkage
  1025. # [15:54] <khuey> ejpbruel: you can ask me whatever you want
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  1027. # [15:54] <khuey> ejpbruel: whether or not I can answer, we'll see
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  1029. # [15:54] <ejpbruel> khuey: a while ago i asked you if it would be possible to create dedicated hidden windows (next to the singleton one that firefox provides), and you suggested that we could use xul:window for this
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  1031. # [15:55] <khuey> Bas: I should land my patch in bug 683891
  1032. # [15:55] <ejpbruel> khuey: i talked to the addon-sdk team, and thats actually what they tried, except they encountered some problems with it
  1033. # [15:55] <blassey> mcmanus: what does lame-network mean?
  1034. # [15:55] <ejpbruel> khuey: specifically, apparently those xul:windows arent closed automatically on some platforms, would you know anything about that?
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  1036. # [15:56] <khuey> ejpbruel: I'd expect that they aren't closed automatically on any platform
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  1038. # [15:56] <khuey> ejpbruel: what are you using these hidden windows for?
  1039. # [15:57] <Bas> khuey: Isn't the first hunk of that patcha little silly?
  1040. # [15:57] <Bas> khuey: You have 3 #define THEBES_API's all defining to the same thing :-)
  1041. # [15:57] <ejpbruel> khuey: we use the hidden window to load subdocuments with chrome privileges, basically
  1042. # [15:57] <Bas> Why not just put in a single #define THEBES_API :)
  1043. # [15:57] <mcmanus> blassey - whiteboard tag for bugs related to working poorly on lame networks (i.e. poor networking conditions). I'm going to group them together into a project later on this q.
  1044. # [15:57] <khuey> Bas: heh, indeed
  1045. # [15:58] <Bas> khuey: The only reason I notice is because what you did is typically something I'd do too :P
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  1048. # [15:59] <khuey> ejpbruel: ok ... you're going to have to find some appropriate time to close them then
  1049. # [15:59] <ejpbruel> khuey: exactly!
  1050. # [15:59] <blassey> mcmanus: is there anything I can do to help you diagnose?
  1051. # [15:59] <blassey> while I'm in these lame conditions?
  1052. # [15:59] <ejpbruel> khuey: and thats what im trying to figure out. we have a prototype in which we listen to an event that says the application is about to shut down (dont remember the exact name), and use that to close any outstanding xul:windows
  1053. # [15:59] <ejpbruel> khuey: but at least one of my teammates suspect that might not be the right time since the singleton hidden window is destroyed at a very specific time
  1054. # [16:00] <ejpbruel> khuey: his suggestion was to add some kind of observer event when the singleton window is about to shut down and listen to that instead
  1055. # [16:00] <khuey> ejpbruel: well the singleton hidden window is a very special thing
  1056. # [16:00] <mcmanus> blassey - probly going to need to add tools for visibility into some of them. right now I've got my hands full so I am just tagging them to dig into later.
  1057. # [16:00] <blassey> ok
  1058. # [16:01] <mcmanus> blassey - but some of the causes are known. you've probably exhausted the socket pool and those don't necessarily interrupt on cancel during some stages.
  1059. # [16:01] <ejpbruel> khuey: yeah, thats what i'd expect, the same constraints might not apply to other xul:windows
  1060. # [16:01] <mcmanus> blassey - other os's do some captive portal detection hacks. we probably need that too.
  1061. # [16:01] <ejpbruel> khuey: in the context of shutting down, what's so special about the hidden window?
  1062. # [16:01] <khuey> ejpbruel: in particular, we shut down the hidden window _very_ late
  1063. # [16:02] <ejpbruel> khuey: yes, so the root question for me then becomes: why?
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  1065. # [16:02] <khuey> ejpbruel: shutting down the hidden window is the last thing we do before shutdown
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  1067. # [16:03] <ejpbruel> khuey: i'd expect that we'd prematurely free some things if we did otherwise?
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  1069. # [16:04] <mcmanus> blassey, all - feel free to add whiteboard [lame-network] to anything that might be related to non standard networking conditions
  1070. # [16:04] <khuey> ejpbruel: AIUI, the hidden window is what keeps our menubar alive on mac even when all the real windows are closed
  1071. # [16:05] <khuey> ejpbruel: which is why we don't shut it down until the very end
  1072. # [16:05] <ejpbruel> khuey: right!
  1073. # [16:06] <ejpbruel> khuey: that suggests that the application shutdown event is a perfectly fine time to shut down any subsidiary hidden windows
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  1077. # [16:06] <khuey> gah
  1078. # [16:06] <khuey> I hate MDN
  1079. # [16:07] <khuey> ejpbruel: if you're talking about 'quit-application', yes, I think that should be fine
  1080. # [16:07] <Callek> khuey: we have a support group for that
  1081. # [16:07] <blassey> mcmanus: is it helpful to have that white board on something like bug 714769?
  1082. # [16:07] <Callek> it meets every wednesday, across from Alcoholics Anonymous
  1083. # [16:07] <khuey> ejpbruel: I must say though, having persistent hidden windows around scares me a bit from a memory perspective ;-)
  1084. # [16:07] <@smaug> bc: when you run those tests, did you have error console open?
  1085. # [16:08] <khuey> dbaron: ping
  1086. # [16:08] <ejpbruel> khuey: i agree, thats a concern
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  1089. # [16:08] <ejpbruel> khuey: originally, the add-on team came up with the idea to create some object that emulates a hidden window (without having an underlying native OS window), but that prospect scares me even more
  1090. # [16:09] <mcmanus> blassey - sure.. it will just get dup'd to whatever the root cause is when we figure it out. But test cases are good.
  1091. # [16:09] <khuey> ejpbruel: what are these documents for?
  1092. # [16:09] <espindola> is try down?
  1093. # [16:09] <espindola> taking or just taking a long time again?
  1094. # [16:10] <ejpbruel> khuey: the addon-sdk has multiple uses for them. i should have an overview of this somewhere, hold on.
  1095. # [16:11] <@dbaron> khuey, pong
  1096. # [16:11] <gabor> khuey: ejpbruel: about those hidden windows my biggest concern are mobile platforms... I have no clue how pricy or hairy to mess with hidden windows on them
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  1098. # [16:11] <khuey> gabor: xul windows are kind of heavy, it's true
  1099. # [16:11] <khuey> dbaron: got some time to talk about style images some more?
  1100. # [16:11] <ejpbruel> gabor: khuey: one main problem we have with using the singleton hidden window is that it contains a HTML document (except on Mac)
  1101. # [16:11] <@dbaron> khuey, ok
  1102. # [16:12] <gabor> khuey: do you think a fake window objec would be difficult to implement without a real native hidden window associated with it?
  1103. # [16:12] <ejpbruel> gabor: khuey: i think we could get away with using a single additional xul:window for all addons though (rather than 1 per add-on)
  1104. # [16:12] <khuey> that depends on what a "fake window object" actually means
  1105. # [16:12] <khuey> I'd really like to know what you need the documents for ;-)
  1106. # [16:12] <ejpbruel> khuey: what i just said, a class that behaves like a xul:window without having an underlying native os window
  1107. # [16:12] <ejpbruel> khuey: trying to find that document, hold on
  1108. # [16:13] <khuey> ejpbruel: I don't think a display:none XUL window has an OS window
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  1111. # [16:13] <khuey> dbaron: so, I remembered why I wanted to hang this stuff off of the stylesheet
  1112. # [16:13] <gabor> khuey: then maybe that is the thing we are looking for indeed :)
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  1114. # [16:14] <ejpbruel> khuey: would such a XUL window be less expensive at all?
  1115. # [16:14] <khuey> dbaron: the problem with hanging an observer off of the document is that we have to clone the request for every document
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  1117. # [16:14] <ejpbruel> khuey: or in other words, does most of the overhead of xul:windows even come from the fact that they usually have a native os window associated with them
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  1120. # [16:14] <khuey> dbaron: and then I either need an observer per request (like the current setup)
  1121. # [16:14] <@dbaron> khuey, it's going to be pretty unusual to be loading images for two different documents and the same style sheet object
  1122. # [16:14] <khuey> dbaron: or I have to maintain a mapping of the original request to the cloned request
  1123. # [16:15] <khuey> dbaron: sure, but we still have to handle that case somehow
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  1128. # [16:18] <ejpbruel> khuey: ochameau provided us with this etherpad that kind of describes the rationale for this: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/background-window
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  1131. # [16:18] <khuey> dbaron: the other thing I noticed is that in the current setup, we create a new set of nsImageLoaders, clone the request, etc, on every single paint
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  1137. # [16:20] <khuey> ok, so we want a document because lots of stuff only works in a document, and fixing everything the way we fixed IDB is too hard?
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  1140. # [16:21] <gabor> khuey: pretty much
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  1143. # [16:22] <ejpbruel> khuey: and we want to create hidden windows because the singleton one doesnt always contain a xul document, and we've had conflicts in the past because existing addons do funky shit on that window as well
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  1147. # [16:23] <ejpbruel> khuey: our original idea was indeed that, remove the need for a DOM window for all documents
  1148. # [16:23] <ejpbruel> khuey: i say why go through all the trouble if its not necessary?
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  1151. # [16:24] <@smaug> Remove need for DOM window? well, there needs to be some context for scripts
  1152. # [16:24] <khuey> removing that need would break tons of security invariants
  1153. # [16:24] <khuey> so the hidden window solution is much better than a no window solution ;-)
  1154. # [16:24] <ejpbruel> khuey: i am so quoting this
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  1157. # [16:26] <gabor> smaug: the idea was more like implementing a DOM window that is not related to any native window and can be spawned easily from an addon... but the easiest solution is prefered for the problem ofc
  1158. # [16:26] <ejpbruel> gabor: that was actually the second idea
  1159. # [16:27] <ejpbruel> gabor: getting rid of the DOM window would break too many invariants so maybe we could create a DOM window object that didnt have a real window associated with it
  1160. # [16:27] <gabor> ah ok.. my bad
  1161. # [16:28] <ejpbruel> gabor: khuey: apparently, its already possible to create a xul:window that has no real window associated with it, as khuey just pointed out, so thats something to check out
  1162. # [16:28] <khuey> ejpbruel: you should verify that :-)
  1163. # [16:28] <khuey> I'm not 100% certain of that
  1164. # [16:28] <ejpbruel> khuey: absolutely :)
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  1168. # [16:30] <ejpbruel> khuey: can you give ma nudge in the right direction in the source tree?
  1169. # [16:30] <Ms2ger> content/xul/content/src?
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  1171. # [16:31] <khuey> ejpbruel: not really, unfortunately
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  1177. # [16:33] <Callek> jimm: ping
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  1179. # [16:34] <jimm> Callek: pong
  1180. # [16:34] <bc> smaug: no
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  1183. # [16:34] <Callek> jimm: Bug 587190 the issue is from *9* to *10* and the new update service is not used _everywhere_ (e.g. SeaMonkey)
  1184. # [16:34] <Callek> but of course SM does not have panorama, so is a different issue there. [I haven't hit this in SM, but I also don't have it pinned to taskbar for SM)
  1185. # [16:35] <jimm> Callek: was your issue in SeaMonkey?
  1186. # [16:35] <Callek> jimm: SeaMonkey can't use that new update service yet (due to code signing requirement)
  1187. # [16:35] <Callek> jimm: no, I hit the bug with my Firefox beta
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  1191. # [16:36] <jimm> Callek: so you lost your grouping? was that on a pave over install or a simple update?
  1192. # [16:36] <Callek> jimm: and on upgrade from 9 to 10 beta's... and I did a pin-dance
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  1195. # [16:37] <Callek> jimm: simple update
  1196. # [16:37] <Callek> jimm: and as mentioned in the bug, its essentially the same as a pave-over due to the way the updater works
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  1198. # [16:37] <jimm> Callek: haven't seen any reports of that, but we should probably file a bug and investigate. The update should be upgrading the id.
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  1201. # [16:38] <Callek> jimm: my *theory* had to do with this panorama bug
  1202. # [16:38] <jimm> I can easily test that to be sure it's working using build archives.
  1203. # [16:38] <jimm> naa, doubt it.
  1204. # [16:38] <Callek> jimm: since I had a panorama session, and have been hitting this since upgrading and never saw it before in my error console
  1205. # [16:39] <Callek> jimm: either way, there have been reports of it (according to Cww's searching)
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  1208. # [16:39] <Callek> and thats way that bug in particular got any eyes/traction
  1209. # [16:39] <jimm> Callek: of the js console error?
  1210. # [16:39] <ted> jlebar: it's probably difficult to think about the responsiveness metric cross-platform, unfortunately
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  1212. # [16:39] <ted> jlebar: since we're implementing it differently per-platform
  1213. # [16:39] <Callek> reports of it -- where it == the pin issue
  1214. # [16:39] <Callek> nothing large-scale, yet
  1215. # [16:40] <Callek> but extrapolating among our userbase, vs our beta audience, I worry.
  1216. # [16:40] <jimm> Callek: ok, i'll file a bug and test
  1217. # [16:40] <Callek> jimm: and of course, I don't like the idea that SeaMonkey might break here because we're not using the updater service
  1218. # [16:40] <Callek> (because we can't use the service without having signing infra/certs)
  1219. # [16:41] <jimm> Callek: the installer has all the code in it to maintain that id. Although I think the patch for the sm installer hasn't landed yet.
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  1221. # [16:42] <Callek> jimm: the issue is that the *installer* is NOT run on a "simple update"
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  1223. # [16:42] <Callek> and I do not want to tell people they need to run the manual installer every update to work around this issue
  1224. # [16:42] <Callek> jimm: and of course, people can update to N from N-2/3 etc. as well in versions
  1225. # [16:43] <jimm> Callek: Seamonkey doesn't it call into the updater code for a simple update?
  1226. # [16:43] <Callek> jimm: neither does Firefox
  1227. # [16:43] <Callek> jimm: updater.exe applies a mar directly
  1228. # [16:43] <Callek> installer is NSIS
  1229. # [16:43] <Callek> and isn't called by updater.exe afaict (and remember)
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  1231. # [16:44] <Callek> jimm: new update service is a different beast, and something I don't know too much about, because SeaMonkey cannot use it....
  1232. # [16:45] <jimm> Callek: from my understanding, this is called after an update in Fx, and SM has similar code: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/installer/windows/nsis/shared.nsh#37
  1233. # [16:45] <Callek> jimm: again, that is not run on a "simple update" because we download a .mar file, and apply that; never touching NSIS
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  1235. # [16:46] <jimm> we should file a bug and get rstrong in on it, he knows this stuff better than anyone.
  1236. # [16:46] <Callek> jimm: also of note, is the updater.exe that applies the mar, is from the previously installed build, not the new build; so if there is changes there, it won't apply until N+1
  1237. # [16:47] <Callek> jimm: so, basically nothing in browser/instaler/windows/nsis/* is run on an update, unless someone downloads the installer .exe from the website/ftp and installs manually
  1238. # [16:47] <Callek> a "Check For Updates"->"Apply Update" does not do that
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  1242. # [16:48] <Callek> jimm: also of note, is nothing in browser/installer is run by seamonkey, we get our shared code from toolkit/ for installer
  1243. # [16:49] <Callek> jimm: following me here?
  1244. # [16:49] <jimm> filing a bug on this so I can test
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  1249. # [16:54] <@smaug> bc: did you see my question about error console?
  1250. # [16:54] <bc> yes, no, i didn't have the console open
  1251. # [16:54] <@smaug> k
  1252. # [16:54] <NeilAway> khuey: did we stop depending on thebes for set as wallpaper?
  1253. # [16:55] <Callek> jimm: c#0's as IRC logs are a poor-mans-way to file a bug (I do it all the time, just made me laugh)
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  1255. # [16:55] <Callek> NeilAway: ping!
  1256. # [16:55] <jimm> I'm going to add more after I test
  1257. # [16:55] <jlebar> ted, different native event loops cross-platform, or something else?
  1258. # [16:55] <ted> jlebar: yeah
  1259. # [16:55] <NeilAway> Callek: pong
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  1261. # [16:55] <ted> so the technique we use to inject tracer events is completely different per-platform
  1262. # [16:55] <Callek> NeilAway: soooo, regarding mozilla::services::Get* used in external linkage....
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  1264. # [16:56] <jlebar> ted, I'm still a bit concerned about the difference we see. It's pretty large win vs. mac.
  1265. # [16:56] <Callek> NeilAway: I'm told https://hg.mozilla.org/try/rev/c174ec14ecaa is wrong
  1266. # [16:56] <ted> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/widget/src/windows/WidgetTraceEvent.cpp#137
  1267. # [16:56] <khuey> NeilAway: no
  1268. # [16:56] <ted> PostMessage to the hidden window on windows
  1269. # [16:56] <jlebar> ted, iow, maybe we have a responsiveness problem on Windows that most of us don't see.
  1270. # [16:56] <jlebar> Ah...
  1271. # [16:56] <ted> [NSApp postEvent] on mac
  1272. # [16:56] <Callek> NeilAway: XPCOM_API is the wrong macro to use, since it extern "C" (afaict)
  1273. # [16:56] <ted> (with a custom app subclass to handle it)
  1274. # [16:57] <ted> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/widget/src/cocoa/WidgetTraceEvent.mm#83
  1275. # [16:57] <Callek> NeilAway: is there an existing macro to use in core here for this, or is there a better way to do it, etc?
  1276. # [16:57] <ted> g_idle_add_full on gtk: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/widget/src/gtk2/WidgetTraceEvent.cpp#81
  1277. # [16:57] <ted> jlebar: it's certainly possible
  1278. # [16:57] <Callek> NeilAway: I really really don't want to create a mailnews-specific wrapper library or weird macro's
  1279. # [16:57] <ted> it's also possible that the implementations just aren't similar enough
  1280. # [16:57] <jlebar> ted, Agreed.
  1281. # [16:58] <ted> jlebar: like, maybe the windows impl winds up intercepting the event later in the event loop cycle
  1282. # [16:58] <ted> whereas the mac one gets it ealier
  1283. # [16:58] <Callek> (CC: ted on the Q to NeilAway)
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  1286. # [16:59] <ted> Callek: http://hg.mozilla.org/users/tmielczarek_mozilla.com/mq/file/86af0628ad84/joy-tests#l21
  1287. # [16:59] <jlebar> ted, If the extra noise is our fault, maybe there's something we can do about it.
  1288. # [16:59] <ted> is probably what i'd use
  1289. # [16:59] <ted> NS_EXPORT(foo)
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  1291. # [16:59] <ted> jlebar: it's possible
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  1293. # [16:59] <ted> jlebar: probably requires knowledge of windows and osx internals
  1294. # [16:59] <jlebar> :)
  1295. # [16:59] <ted> well, windows and cocoa internals
  1296. # [16:59] * ted has OS X internals book in a box in stoarage somewhere
  1297. # [16:59] <NeilAway> Callek: XPCOM_API was the one I would have thought of
  1298. # [16:59] <ted> not sure if it covers cocoa
  1299. # [17:00] <Callek> ted: NS_EXPORT_(foo) continues to be ok for internal and external headers here?
  1300. # [17:00] <Callek> err rather, for a header included in both cases?
  1301. # [17:00] <ted> Callek: that patch i linked exports a few functions off of that class, and I pull them in via js-ctypes in unit tests
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  1303. # [17:00] <ted> Callek: it seems to wfm
  1304. # [17:01] <Callek> ted: should it be ok when inside a namespace?
  1305. # [17:01] <ted> Callek: that is inside a namespace
  1306. # [17:01] <NeilAway> Callek: oh, I see what you mean, XPCOM_API includes NS_EXTERN_C
  1307. # [17:01] <ted> i have no idea how linking to it will work
  1308. # [17:01] <ted> but presumably it should
  1309. # [17:01] <ted> with the same compiler
  1310. # [17:01] <Callek> ted: namespace "mozilla" { namespace "services" { NS_EXPORT_(foo) GetFoo() }}
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  1313. # [17:02] <Callek> yea, I can be comfortable forcing the same compiler version for users here.
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  1317. # [17:03] <ted> Callek: that's exactly what my patch is doing
  1318. # [17:03] <Callek> I'm not _exactly_ intending to make this used in binary components, but that is a side-affect benefit
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  1320. # [17:03] <ted> except i don't link anything to it externally
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  1323. # [17:03] <Callek> ted: great then, thanks
  1324. # [17:03] <ted> i just export the symbols so i can call them with js-ctypes
  1325. # [17:03] <ted> Callek: i don't see much benefit to using these outside of libxul, honestly
  1326. # [17:03] <ted> they're just convenience methods
  1327. # [17:03] <ted> they're all services, you can getService them
  1328. # [17:04] <Callek> ted: well I agree -- but I want to use them in mailnews, (which is, by default linked to libxul) but Neil/Standard8 wants to keep mailnews *able* to be linked externally
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  1330. # [17:04] <Callek> using mozilla::services does give a rough perf improvement :-)
  1331. # [17:04] <Standard8> Callek: well, I don't care too much, but I know other people (e.g. linux distros) may
  1332. # [17:04] <Callek> (at least when internal to libxul)
  1333. # [17:05] <Callek> Standard8: well, yea; Neil wants it, and if I can make it work, I might as well :-)
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  1335. # [17:05] <ted> sure, gets rid of some overhead
  1336. # [17:06] <khuey> yeah
  1337. # [17:06] <khuey> and then the service manager won't spin the event loop for you :-P
  1338. # [17:06] * khuey isn't bitter
  1339. # [17:06] <khuey> not at all
  1340. # [17:06] <Callek> so NS_EXPORT_(type) it is, I'll get a bug on file then
  1341. # [17:06] <Callek> ted: are you capable of reviewing this patch here? or shall I get someone like ben smed* to review?
  1342. # [17:06] * Ms2ger passes khuey the sherry
  1343. # [17:06] * Callek suspects you are, just checking
  1344. # [17:07] <ted> Callek: not me, no thanks
  1345. # [17:07] <Callek> lol
  1346. # [17:07] <Ms2ger> First rule of Mozilla: don't *ask* for a reviewer, just r?
  1347. # [17:08] <jlebar> Gecko supports media queries (not just media types), right?
  1348. # [17:08] <Callek> hrm, taras probably can review this as well
  1349. # [17:08] <Callek> taras: how is your timing on review queue's these days?
  1350. # [17:08] * Mitch requests review from nobody@mozilla.org
  1351. # [17:08] <Ms2ger> jlebar, yes
  1352. # [17:09] <jlebar> Ms2ger, So I should be able to do <link media="not handheld">, and that link should be ignored in Fennec?
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  1354. # [17:09] <jlebar> Ms2ger, (That's a leading question...it doesn't work :(. )
  1355. # [17:09] <Ms2ger> Do we support handheld for fennec?
  1356. # [17:10] <Ms2ger> Might be that value is poisoned already
  1357. # [17:10] <jlebar> Ah, <mfinkle> jlebar, we don't impl "handheld"
  1358. # [17:11] <jimm> Callek: Just commented on that bug, I couldn't reproduce the problem. Could you look over my STR to see if they jibe with what you did?
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  1360. # [17:12] <Ms2ger> firebot, bug 676124?
  1361. # [17:12] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=676124 nor, P3, 6.3.6, gkoberger, RESO FIXED, Remove NEW_FEATURES
  1362. # [17:12] <Ms2ger> Who wants new features anyway?
  1363. # [17:13] <Callek> jimm: I don't have the easy abil to test, I'm on win7 Home Prem, my local user is an admin account, but I do have UAC turned on, so I always have to accept the UAC prompts to update
  1364. # [17:13] <Callek> jimm: I did have an active session of around 6 windows totalling 100 tabs when I upgraded from the last Fx9 beta to 10b1
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  1366. # [17:13] <Callek> including one window with a panorama session (which you indicated had nothing to do with this) but just mentioning for clarity
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  1368. # [17:14] <Callek> jimm: I'm not in a state to test atm, due to lots of active stuff, downgrade worry (I hate downgrading my prod profile, unless I absolutely need to), and currently testing a beta-based try build to help with CC issues.
  1369. # [17:15] <Callek> jimm: I have been using this profile for a bunch of releases now, so its entirely plausible it upgraded from as far back as Fx4/5/etc.
  1370. # [17:17] <jimm> Callek: hmm, we do call into the updater via the browser shell code on an update for this. I wonder if panorama interfers with that. I'll try an update with panorama active
  1371. # [17:18] <Callek> jimm: yea, that was what I suspected, and why I felt like this error I was seeing could be at fault
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  1376. # [17:20] <jimm> Callek: ah! it could, the jumplist module calls the shortcut maintenance code!
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  1379. # [17:24] <Callek> jimm: yea, thats as I suspected :/
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  1382. # [17:26] <jimm> Callek: kind of odd though, the clearHistory call doesn't come before the shortcut maintenance call. still, highly suspect.
  1383. # [17:28] <Callek> jimm: the clearHistory error keeps repeating for me, its not a one-off
  1384. # [17:29] <Callek> so it could be related to timing of some other Firefox call, that interupts the shortcutMaintenance somehow -- I really don't know.
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  1386. # [17:29] <Callek> I only know I saw this error at the same time I saw the pinnedtab-issue
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  1388. # [17:29] <Callek> and I knwo I saw it multiple times in other builds, but I always attributed that to context-switching, compiling patches, etc.
  1389. # [17:30] <jimm> Callek: I'll see if I can track down the cause of the clear history error first.
  1390. # [17:30] <Callek> this was the first time I noticed it, after being used to win7 and knowing I was doing a "normal" update
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  1405. # [17:47] <philor> khuey: bustage
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  1407. # [17:48] <khuey> philor: sadfaces
  1408. # [17:50] <khuey> philor: backing out
  1409. # [17:50] <Callek> jimm: hrm, let me send you my sessionstore, and then I'll let you load it and see if you can reproduce the taskbar issue (note I'm NOT cleaning it of any private data)
  1410. # [17:51] <Callek> jimm: I suspect "time to load windows" has a factor (delayed Startup and all
  1411. # [17:51] <khuey> philor: and done
  1412. # [17:51] <jimm> ok, thx
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  1414. # [17:51] <reuben> oh no, he'll see all the gifts you bought :o
  1415. # [17:51] <jprmc> khuey: so catlee was suggesting we turn on VS2010 on a twig at least
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  1417. # [17:51] <jprmc> khuey: does that make sense?
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  1421. # [17:52] <khuey> jprmc: yeah
  1422. # [17:52] <khuey> jprmc: we can turn it on on b-s
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  1427. # [17:55] <Callek> jimm: sent.... (2MB according to my mail client, so be forewarned)
  1428. # [17:56] <jimm> Callek: ok cool, I'll get back around to that later today. still digging out from under bugmail.
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  1436. # [17:59] <Callek> jimm: if session data logs you into anything, I trust you won't abuse that ;-P
  1437. # [18:00] <jimm> of course.
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  1441. # [18:01] <khuey> time to go post "Callek is a poopyhead" on his facebook
  1442. # [18:01] <Yoric> Mmmhhh...
  1443. # [18:01] <Yoric> I thought that "TmpD" was supposed to point me to the temporary directory.
  1444. # [18:01] <Callek> :-P
  1445. # [18:01] <Yoric> On my Mac, it doesn't even remotely look like "/tmp".
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  1447. # [18:02] <Mossop> Yoric: It points to a temporary directory for certain (there is not just one temp directory)
  1448. # [18:02] <Mossop> On mac every user gets their own temp directory
  1449. # [18:02] <Yoric> Mossop: on my Mac, it points to ~/Library/Cache/...
  1450. # [18:02] <Mossop> Yep
  1451. # [18:02] <Yoric> My own temp directory is /private/tmp/, isn't it?
  1452. # [18:02] <Mossop> Nope
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  1454. # [18:03] <Yoric> Strike that, it's /var/folders/8r/0dk4wrtj5s9dzk37d7hgy27m0000gn/T/
  1455. # [18:03] <Yoric> According to the environment.
  1456. # [18:03] <Yoric> Which is also not related to what I get with TmpD.
  1457. # [18:04] <Mossop> Did I mention there are multiple temp directories?
  1458. # [18:04] <Yoric> I seem to remember something along these lines, yes :)
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  1460. # [18:05] * Yoric will dig into the documentation of MacOS X to try and understand a little bit more about the difference between these directories.
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  1468. # [18:09] <Mossop> Yoric: FWIW TmpD ends up calling ::FSFindFolder with kTemporaryFolderType
  1469. # [18:09] <Yoric> Yeah, which _seems_ to hint that this is the temporary directory on a local drive.
  1470. # [18:10] <Yoric> Or something along these lines.
  1471. # [18:10] <@smaug> ehsan: ping
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  1473. # [18:10] <Yoric> Thanks
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  1476. # [18:12] <Waldo> I think that android bustage fix, didn't
  1477. # [18:12] <@smaug> hmm, did someone break view source
  1478. # [18:13] <@smaug> it has caret browsing on all the time
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  1480. # [18:13] <taras> Callek: well, other than not reviewing stuff on xmas, i can do some
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  1483. # [18:14] <Callek> taras: well what I was asking about is not in your queue yet
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  1487. # [18:15] <Callek> taras: would you consider exposing mozilla::services::Get* to external linkage under your review purview?
  1488. # [18:15] <Callek> taras: does it also need sr?
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  1490. # [18:15] <taras> Callek: i think that's a smedberg kind thing
  1491. # [18:15] <Callek> :( ok
  1492. # [18:15] * taras isn't real good with policy type stuff
  1493. # [18:16] <Callek> I sure hope smedberg got better with his review timing
  1494. # [18:16] <Callek> :-)
  1495. # [18:16] <taras> he's very predictable :)
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  1497. # [18:16] <taras> i think he already said no to this before
  1498. # [18:16] <taras> so :)
  1499. # [18:17] <Callek> taras: well he can say no to me :-)
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  1501. # [18:17] <taras> i thought it was to you'
  1502. # [18:17] <taras> my memory could be wrong
  1503. # [18:17] <Callek> I don't *think* I asked for this from him before
  1504. # [18:18] <Callek> I could be wrong though
  1505. # [18:18] <Callek> this time though, I'm providing a patch
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  1509. # [18:18] <taras> but yeah, i agree with you that it sucks when we keep shiny apis to ourselves
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  1517. # [18:21] <robcee> smaug: maybe that's a feature!
  1518. # [18:21] <robcee> ask henri
  1519. # [18:21] <robcee> (hsivonen)
  1520. # [18:22] <robcee> mm. line numbers!
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  1522. # [18:23] <@smaug> robcee: I don't think henri's changes caused this (I reviewed those patches)
  1523. # [18:24] <robcee> smaug: oh!
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  1526. # [18:24] <robcee> well, I dunno where that came from then
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  1531. # [18:26] <lurking> smaug: regarding bug 714643 - I'll see what I can do tomorrow - I'm off then and since its so hard to repo may take awhile
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  1535. # [18:31] <NeilAway> smaug: iirc that's deliberate
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  1547. # [18:42] <jprmc> khuey: do we just file a bug for that?
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  1549. # [18:42] <khuey> jprmc: no need to file a bug, I can just flip the switch
  1550. # [18:42] <khuey> ted: are you cool with turning b-s into the vs2010 branch?
  1551. # [18:43] <jprmc> catlee: ^^
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  1555. # [18:44] <catlee> WFM
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  1565. # [18:50] <khuey> !seen bsmedberg
  1566. # [18:50] <firebot> bsmedberg was last seen 3 days, 20 hours, 36 minutes and 53 seconds ago, changing nick to bsmedberg-away.
  1567. # [18:50] <khuey> anybody know if he's on PTO?
  1568. # [18:52] <Ms2ger> I think so
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  1571. # [18:54] <ted> khuey: go for it
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  1574. # [18:55] <khuey> gerv: is this the final version of MPL 2
  1575. # [18:55] <gerv> khuey: Yes :-)
  1576. # [18:55] <khuey> gerv: excellent
  1577. # [18:55] <khuey> nice work
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  1580. # [18:56] <khuey> gerv: do we have to do anything to officially change the license Firefox uses?
  1581. # [18:56] <khuey> or does that happen automatically
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  1583. # [18:56] <gerv> khuey: Yes.
  1584. # [18:56] <gerv> Blog post about that forthcoming in the next 24 hours :-)
  1585. # [18:57] <gerv> khuey: If I wanted to touch pretty much every file in the tree, when would be a good time? ;-)
  1586. # [18:57] <gerv> (Sadly, we've probably missed the Christmas season.)
  1587. # [18:57] <khuey> heh
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  1589. # [18:57] <khuey> yesterday ;-0
  1590. # [18:58] <khuey> er
  1591. # [18:58] <khuey> ;-)
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  1593. # [19:00] <Mossop> Only touching the licence headers shouldn't be too bad
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  1596. # [19:00] <khuey> yeah
  1597. # [19:01] <khuey> jwir3: ping
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  1603. # [19:04] <jwir3> khuey: pong
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  1606. # [19:06] <khuey> jwir3: got some questions about nsImageLoader and animated images
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  1609. # [19:06] <khuey> you're the right person for that, right?
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  1612. # [19:07] <jwir3> khuey: Maybe ;)
  1613. # [19:07] <jwir3> khuey: depends on if they are hard questions or not ;)
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  1615. # [19:07] <khuey> jwir3: heh
  1616. # [19:07] <khuey> jwir3: why does nsImageLoader keep track of whether or not the image is registered with the refresh driver?
  1617. # [19:08] <khuey> jwir3: did those hashtable lookups show up in profiles or something?
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  1619. # [19:08] <jwir3> khuey: For efficiency, so that we don't have to give a whole bunch of notifications if the image isn't animated
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  1621. # [19:08] <jwir3> khuey: Basically, it's so that if an image doesn't require notifications, then we don't send it any
  1622. # [19:09] <khuey> jwir3: what is 'it' here?
  1623. # [19:09] <jwir3> it = the image in question
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  1626. # [19:09] <khuey> and the sender is the refresh driver?
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  1628. # [19:09] <jwir3> correct
  1629. # [19:09] <jwir3> so, for example
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  1631. # [19:10] <jwir3> if we have a static image on a news page, has been painted and is displayed, but the page is still loading or processing some script, then the chrome throbber icon needs refresh notifications
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  1633. # [19:10] <jwir3> but the static image is already painted and displayed, so it doesn't need to be refreshed
  1634. # [19:10] <ehsan> smaug: hi
  1635. # [19:10] <mconnor> gerv: ping?
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  1637. # [19:10] <khuey> I think we're talking about different things
  1638. # [19:10] <gerv> mconnor: pong.
  1639. # [19:10] <jwir3> hm ok
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  1642. # [19:11] <khuey> jwir3: it looks to me like the only thing aRequestRegistered does in http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/base/nsLayoutUtils.cpp#4430
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  1647. # [19:11] <khuey> jwir3: is skip calling RefreshDriver()->RemoveImageRequest(request)
  1648. # [19:11] <khuey> jwir3: which is just a hashtable lookup
  1649. # [19:12] <khuey> (/remove, of course)
  1650. # [19:12] <jwir3> khuey: Ah, I think I see what you're asking
  1651. # [19:12] <khuey> I'm reworking a bunch of this stuff and I want to know if I actually need to keep track of whether or not the request is registered, or whether I can just call Add/RemoveImageRequest unconditionally
  1652. # [19:12] <jwir3> khuey: You're asking why we have that boolean at all?
  1653. # [19:12] <khuey> for animated images, of course
  1654. # [19:12] <khuey> jwir3: exactly
  1655. # [19:13] <jwir3> khuey: Yeah, to be honest, roc wanted that so that we could skip the removal if we know that the image request isn't registered.
  1656. # [19:13] <mconnor> gerv: so, with MPL2, is the new boilerplate just the exhibit A thing, no special mozilla boilerplate?
  1657. # [19:13] <jwir3> khuey: There are times when we don't use it
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  1661. # [19:13] <gerv> mconnor: See http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/headers/ .
  1662. # [19:13] <jwir3> khuey: For example, in nsTreeBodyFrame, I believe
  1663. # [19:13] <mconnor> gerv: so great.
  1664. # [19:14] <Ms2ger> gerv, and mpl/gpl/lgpl?
  1665. # [19:14] <gerv> Glad you like it :-)
  1666. # [19:14] <khuey> jwir3: right
  1667. # [19:14] <jwir3> khuey: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/xul/base/src/tree/src/nsTreeBodyFrame.cpp#123
  1668. # [19:14] <khuey> jwir3: ok, I think I'll stop keeping track of it and see if reviewers object
  1669. # [19:14] <jwir3> khuey: You might want to get approval from roc, he's the one that wanted me to add that variable.
  1670. # [19:15] <khuey> ok
  1671. # [19:15] <mconnor> Ms2ger: MPL2 has explicit compat, you have to opt out by including a secondary blurb, AIUI
  1672. # [19:15] <jwir3> khuey: It seemed somewhat useless to me, but he wanted it there, because he thought it would make it more efficient.
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  1677. # [19:16] <jwir3> khuey: I think he thought that the vast number of times we're calling Register/DeregisterRequest, that it would be the case where we didn't have to do anything anyway, so just return early.
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  1679. # [19:16] <khuey> jwir3: yeah, that's what I don't get
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  1681. # [19:16] <khuey> jwir3: it doesn't seem like we'd be calling this often
  1682. # [19:16] <khuey> at least from nsImageLoader
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  1684. # [19:16] <jwir3> khuey: Yes, I agree. And, it might have been code that was left over after several iterations of the patches, so perhaps it isn't that useful any longer
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  1686. # [19:17] <khuey> jwir3: hmm, I guess we do call it every time we tear down an nsImageLoader
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  1688. # [19:17] <khuey> which happens on every paint, cause our code is awful
  1689. # [19:17] <jwir3> heh
  1690. # [19:17] * khuey doesn't think that's a problem with his patches though
  1691. # [19:17] * jwir3 meant the iterations on patches to bug 666446, where this code was added
  1692. # [19:17] <khuey> yeah
  1693. # [19:18] <khuey> ok
  1694. # [19:18] <khuey> thanks for the help!
  1695. # [19:18] <jwir3> np
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  1701. # [19:21] <joe> Waldo: ping
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  1703. # [19:21] <Waldo> joe: pong
  1704. # [19:22] * Waldo kicks everyone who doesn't make joe :-complete :-P
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  1706. # [19:22] <joe> Waldo: re: bug 714572 - why does clang not warn on no virtual destructor if a class is marked as final?
  1707. # [19:22] <Ms2ger> Because it's smart
  1708. # [19:22] <joe> Waldo: because in the case of classes that inherit from others, I might be happier with a virtual destructor
  1709. # [19:23] <Waldo> joe: the point of the warning is to guard against something C++ says is undefined -- destroying an object through a base class pointer, when the base destructor isn't virtual
  1710. # [19:23] <Waldo> joe: if the pointer being destroyed through is to a class that's final, the base pointer is always the most derived thing, and it matches up
  1711. # [19:24] <joe> ah
  1712. # [19:24] <Waldo> msvc11 is also smart about this, according to the bug report I filed against them
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  1714. # [19:24] <joe> so we would still get warnings if we delete some_nsIChannel though
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  1717. # [19:24] <Waldo> yes
  1718. # [19:24] <ted> anyone have any idea how libxul winds up linked with expat?
  1719. # [19:24] <ted> like, actual system expat
  1720. # [19:24] <Ms2ger> Does it?
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  1722. # [19:25] <joe> ted: objdump -x says it's linked agianst?
  1723. # [19:25] <joe> against
  1724. # [19:25] <ted> ldd, yeah
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  1726. # [19:25] <joe> ldd just means one of its libraries link against it
  1727. # [19:25] <ted> ah
  1728. # [19:25] <ted> so it could be transitive
  1729. # [19:25] <joe> you want to look in the REQUIRES section of objdump -x
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  1731. # [19:25] <joe> iirc
  1732. # [19:25] <ted> gotcha
  1733. # [19:25] <khuey> I guess you're not talking about the expat in our tree :-P
  1734. # [19:25] <mconnor> gerv: so when can we start using that? :)
  1735. # [19:26] <mconnor> gerv: for stuff that isn't mozilla-central ;)
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  1738. # [19:27] <khuey> ehsan: you broke CC dumping on Windows
  1739. # [19:27] <ted> khuey: no
  1740. # [19:27] <ted> khuey: webrtc requires expat as part of libjingle :-/
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  1742. # [19:28] <ted> our bundled expat conveniently defines XML_Char as PRUnichar
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  1744. # [19:28] <ehsan> khuey: did I?
  1745. # [19:28] * khuey wonders wtf a libjingle is
  1746. # [19:28] <ted> i think it's an XMPP lib
  1747. # [19:29] <ted> no, not quite
  1748. # [19:29] <khuey> ehsan: it's supposed to tell me where it dumped the log, right?
  1749. # [19:29] <ted> http://code.google.com/apis/talk/libjingle/index.html
  1750. # [19:29] <ted> "libjingle is a collection of open-source C++ code and sample applications that enables you to build a peer-to-peer application. The code handles creating a network connection (through NAT and firewall devices, relay servers, and proxies), negotiating session details (codecs, formats, etc.), and exchanging data. It also provides helper tasks such as parsing XML, and handling network proxies."
  1751. # [19:29] <ted> it's like a toolkit to build an XMPP app
  1752. # [19:29] <khuey> fun
  1753. # [19:29] <ehsan> khuey: yes
  1754. # [19:29] <khuey> ehsan: well it doesn't ;-)
  1755. # [19:29] <ehsan> hmm
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  1757. # [19:30] <ehsan> khuey: you're looking at the error console, right?
  1758. # [19:30] <khuey> and it's not in the obvious locations
  1759. # [19:30] <khuey> ehsan: yep
  1760. # [19:30] <ehsan> hmm
  1761. # [19:30] <ehsan> khuey: look at your temp dir
  1762. # [19:30] <khuey> if by that you mean AppData/Local/Temp, it's not there
  1763. # [19:30] <khuey> this is what I meant by the obvious locations ;-)
  1764. # [19:30] <lurking> For me the cc dump was in root at J:\cc-edges xxxx
  1765. # [19:30] <khuey> yeah
  1766. # [19:30] <ehsan> hmm
  1767. # [19:30] <khuey> which is completely insane
  1768. # [19:30] <lurking> and I had to run as Admin to get it
  1769. # [19:30] <ehsan> dammit
  1770. # [19:31] <ehsan> I need a windows build to debug this
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  1774. # [19:31] <lurking> khuey: if you don't know I filed bug 714643 that is giving headaches
  1775. # [19:32] <lurking> really hard to repo
  1776. # [19:32] <khuey> yeah, I know
  1777. # [19:32] <lurking> ok
  1778. # [19:32] <khuey> CC bugs are fun :-(
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  1782. # [19:35] <@smaug> lurking: that doesn't seem like a CC related bug
  1783. # [19:35] <lurking> smaug: ok -
  1784. # [19:35] <lurking> just guessing -
  1785. # [19:35] <lurking> on my part
  1786. # [19:35] <lurking> since its so random to repo
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  1788. # [19:36] <@smaug> lurking: it could be, but if you can actually close the tab ...
  1789. # [19:36] <@smaug> so it is not CC running
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  1791. # [19:36] <@smaug> but something else is running and using all the memory
  1792. # [19:36] <lurking> no problem closing the tab, its not like its eating tons of cpu - just ram
  1793. # [19:37] <@smaug> ah
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  1802. # [19:41] <lurking> the only way I can get it to do it and again its hit or miss is load the link in a tab, then switch between reports and summary, and sometimes closing the tab, reopening and repeat switching between the tabs on the crash-reporter page -
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  1805. # [19:43] <@smaug> lurking: regression range would be nice
  1806. # [19:43] <lurking> yeah, I'll try tomorrow when I'm off and have more time - but its really going to be tuff I'm fearing
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  1808. # [19:43] <lurking> and I have no idea how to run any profiling
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  1847. # [20:03] <jlebar> Can I write CSS which says "allow this text to cause horizontal scroll, but cut it off after Xem"?
  1848. # [20:03] <Mossop> max-width perhaps?
  1849. # [20:03] <jlebar> I can do that with |width: Xem; overflow-x: none|, but max-width doesn't work.
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  1851. # [20:04] <jlebar> max-width cuts it off to the current width of the screen; that is, no horizontal scroll.
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  1872. # [20:10] <ehsan> NeilAway: do you want me to review both of your patches or just the latest one?
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  1897. # [20:20] <gcp> jlebar: ping
  1898. # [20:20] <jlebar> gcp, ack
  1899. # [20:20] <khuey> !seen armenzg
  1900. # [20:20] <firebot> armenzg was last seen 1 week, 5 days, 1 hour, 1 minute and 49 seconds ago, saying 'I am still waiting on test-master01 to reconfigure' in #build.
  1901. # [20:20] <khuey> who is on build duty?
  1902. # [20:20] <khuey> catlee: ^?
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  1904. # [20:20] <gcp> jlebar: does calling EnsureCapacity on an infallible nsTArray work as expected?
  1905. # [20:20] <philor> khuey: bear-buildduty
  1906. # [20:20] <jlebar> gcp, could you please elaborate?
  1907. # [20:20] <gcp> jlebar: rather, does it actually fail, or OOMs?
  1908. # [20:20] <khuey> bear-buildduty: ping!
  1909. # [20:21] <jlebar> gcp, On infallible, it OOMs.
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  1912. # [20:21] <bear-buildduty> khuey - yes?
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  1914. # [20:22] <khuey> bear-buildduty: is there something wrong with the tree?
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  1918. # [20:22] <khuey> bear-buildduty: I see 42 jobs running and 500 pending
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  1921. # [20:22] <khuey> heh
  1922. # [20:22] <bear-buildduty> let me look
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  1924. # [20:23] <bear-buildduty> khuey - i'm seeing only 43 pending jobs
  1925. # [20:23] <philor> khuey: is there something wrong with your network or your browser, that stuck you with old copies of builds-pending.js and builds-running.js?
  1926. # [20:23] <khuey> maybe
  1927. # [20:23] <bear-buildduty> yea, I'm suspecting that it's a local tbpl cache/glitch
  1928. # [20:23] * khuey blows away the cache
  1929. # [20:24] <bear-buildduty> the buildbot scheduler is saying "all ok over here, go smack him for me"
  1930. # [20:24] <khuey> aha
  1931. # [20:24] <khuey> much better
  1932. # [20:24] * khuey will take his smacking now
  1933. # [20:24] * bear-buildduty reduces the free-dev-smacking counter by one
  1934. # [20:24] <dolske> firebot: smack khuey
  1935. # [20:24] <firebot> khuey! look over there! *smack*
  1936. # [20:25] <bear-buildduty> you guys built up quite a few credits the last couple of weeks
  1937. # [20:25] <khuey> ouch
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  1941. # [20:29] <Ms2ger> bear-buildduty, you can forward them all to khuey
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  1959. # [20:43] <khuey> !seen bent
  1960. # [20:43] <firebot> bent was last seen 5 days, 27 minutes and 29 seconds ago, saying 'that's like BC for computers' in #developers.
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  1962. # [20:43] <reuben> heh, my browser just locked up in an interesting state http://cl.ly/D21v
  1963. # [20:44] <reuben> uh, actually, it's not locked up
  1964. # [20:44] <reuben> wtf
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  1966. # [20:45] <reuben> wow, the tabs wouldn't respond for ~20s then everything started responding again and handling all the keyboard shortcuts I pressed
  1967. # [20:45] <reuben> weird stuff
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  1970. # [20:45] <@smaug> reuben: I/O happening in the background, or some terrible GC or CC
  1971. # [20:46] <@smaug> reuben: have you looked at GC /CC times?
  1972. # [20:46] <khuey> I/O happening in the foreground :-P
  1973. # [20:46] <NeilAway> ehsan: latest one will do
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  1975. # [20:46] <ehsan> NeilAway: ok, will do that right now
  1976. # [20:46] <NeilAway> ehsan: ta
  1977. # [20:46] <reuben> smaug, I have logging disabled in this profile D:
  1978. # [20:46] <@smaug> khuey: blaa blaa, forgive my terrible English :)
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  1981. # [20:47] <khuey> heh
  1982. # [20:47] <Ms2ger> khuey, what, you're not used to smaug's English yet :)
  1983. # [20:47] <@smaug> http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2011/12/23/english-pronunciation/ is just evil
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  1987. # [20:48] <khuey> well that's just a torture test
  1988. # [20:48] <@smaug> my written English is: type some random words in random order and hope that it makes some sense.
  1989. # [20:48] <khuey> it works out pretty well
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  1993. # [20:50] <reuben> there should be a sound file with the correct pronunciation :P
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  1996. # [20:53] <Ms2ger> reuben, yes, I'm missing that too
  1997. # [20:54] * not_zpao is now known as zpao|irssi
  1998. # [20:54] <Ms2ger> khuey, want to create one? :)
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  2003. # [20:54] <khuey> Ms2ger: hmm?
  2004. # [20:55] <Ms2ger> Read http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2011/12/23/english-pronunciation/ aloud for us non-natives
  2005. # [20:55] <khuey> no thanks
  2006. # [20:56] <Ms2ger> :(
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  2015. # [21:00] <ted> that is painfully long
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  2020. # [21:04] <mwu> Ms2ger: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqxoWYDZg30
  2021. # [21:04] <mwu> smaug: ^
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  2023. # [21:04] <Ms2ger> mwu++
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  2030. # [21:14] <NeilAway> smaug: heh
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  2037. # [21:16] <sid0> http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/headers/ -- so have we stopped licensing under the GPL?
  2038. # [21:17] <sid0> and is that because MPL2 is GPL-compatible?
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  2040. # [21:17] <NeilAway> mwu: that guy doesn't know how to say Terpsichore
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  2042. # [21:17] <NeilAway> oh, it says in the comments
  2043. # [21:17] <mbrubeck> or he doesn't know how to say "trickery" :P
  2044. # [21:18] <mwu> I didn't actually watch all of this
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  2050. # [21:18] * NeilAway didn't know Melpomene
  2051. # [21:18] <mwu> I think there are other versions linked from there
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  2054. # [21:20] <NeilAway> he doesn't know victual either
  2055. # [21:20] <NeilAway> and I don't like the way he says mauve
  2056. # [21:20] * NeilAway says m-oh-v
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  2061. # [21:22] <Ms2ger> Also, anemone
  2062. # [21:22] <NeilAway> plait...
  2063. # [21:23] <hub> sid0: IANAL but my understand is that MPL 2.0 explicitely grant the right to redistribute under the GPL as part of a GPL licensed superset of the work
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  2067. # [21:23] <hub> sid0: therefore multiple licensing is no longer needed explicitely
  2068. # [21:23] <hub> sid0: LGPL too
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  2070. # [21:24] <sid0> hub: makes sense
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  2072. # [21:24] <@smaug> oh, I didn't know 3D page inspect was already enabled in nightlies
  2073. # [21:25] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: what was wrong with his anemone?
  2074. # [21:25] <@dbaron> there are a bunch of things he said wrong, I think
  2075. # [21:25] <Ms2ger> Probably nothing, but I'd never have pronounced it like that
  2076. # [21:25] <@dbaron> but also a bunch that I didn't know
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  2078. # [21:26] <vlad> it does? I thought MPL 2 was compatible with GPL, but doesn't magically become GPL in a GPL licensed work
  2079. # [21:26] * vlad should do some reading
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  2081. # [21:26] <hub> vlad: the license explicitly allow relicensing under a secondary license.
  2082. # [21:27] <hub> vlad: if needed.
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  2086. # [21:27] <Mook_as> vlad: AIUI, if you want the old MPL-only behaviour, you need to have exhibit B in addition to exhibit A?
  2087. # [21:27] * nthomas|away is now known as nthomas
  2088. # [21:27] <vlad> so if I write some code under MPL2, someone uses it in a GPL project, and then someone makes modifications to my original code in that project... can I take that code under MPL2 only?
  2089. # [21:27] * vlad reads
  2090. # [21:28] <eeejay> smaug, hello, could i ask you a question about nsTObserverArray?
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  2093. # [21:28] <@smaug> eeejay: sure, though sicking knows it better
  2094. # [21:28] <eeejay> smaug, it is said sicking is super busy, so i will ask you first :)(
  2095. # [21:29] <@smaug> bah, how can sicking be busy
  2096. # [21:29] <eeejay> smaug, it looks like that array just takes raw pointers, and that it typically does not own any reference to observers
  2097. # [21:29] <@smaug> right
  2098. # [21:29] <eeejay> ie. the way it is used
  2099. # [21:29] <@smaug> like nsTArray
  2100. # [21:29] <Ms2ger> Sicking just acts busy
  2101. # [21:29] <eeejay> it seems kinda dangerous, what if an observer is destroyed?
  2102. # [21:30] <hub> vlad: I think that's what the wording says as MPL is a source-file based license.
  2103. # [21:30] <@smaug> eeejay: how is that more dangerous than using plain nsTArray ?
  2104. # [21:30] <eeejay> i am tempted to make an array of nsCOMPtrs but i bet that there is a reason not to?
  2105. # [21:31] <hub> vlad: that the source file is still covered by MPL AND the secondary license of the greater work
  2106. # [21:31] <eeejay> smaug, well, i would use an nsCOMArray
  2107. # [21:31] <@smaug> eeejay: so, why do you need nsTObserverArray?
  2108. # [21:31] * ashughes is now known as ashughes|lunch
  2109. # [21:31] <Ms2ger> Bah, nsCOMArray
  2110. # [21:31] <@smaug> is the array modified while you're iterating it?
  2111. # [21:32] <eeejay> smaug, possibly, seems like nsTObserverArray deals well with that
  2112. # [21:32] <tbsaunde> smaug: yes for e
  2113. # [21:32] <@smaug> also, if you need to keep things alive, use nsTObserverArray<nsCOMPtr<yourtype> >
  2114. # [21:33] <eeejay> smaug, yeah. that is where I was going, i just wanted to make sure i wasn't missing something
  2115. # [21:34] <@smaug> eeejay: well, if something else is keeping the objects alive, don't use nsCOMPtr
  2116. # [21:34] <@smaug> (especially if the objects are cycle collected. addreffing/releasing can be slow)
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  2118. # [21:35] <eeejay> smaug, hum hum
  2119. # [21:35] <eeejay> smaug, interesting
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  2121. # [21:35] <eeejay> smaug, these observers are scriptable, so i just feel like some bad js could have them garbage collected and that seems very dangerous
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  2123. # [21:36] <@smaug> eeejay: well, something needs to keep them alive
  2124. # [21:36] <Ms2ger> ...He was the son of Boris Zbarsky, who helped mummify Lenin's body in 1924....
  2125. # [21:36] <eeejay> i guess nsTObserverArray<nsCOMPtr<yourtype> > it is
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  2127. # [21:37] <@smaug> eeejay: or when they are being deleted, they must be removed from the array
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  2129. # [21:37] <eeejay> smaug, yeah, but that would require extra caution from the scripter, something i don't think we should count on
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  2131. # [21:38] <@smaug> though, nothing to do with nsTObserverArray, or even arrays. Make sure things are kept alive as long as needed (and no longer) :)
  2132. # [21:38] <@smaug> eeejay: oh, right, you can't count on anything done in JS
  2133. # [21:38] <@smaug> C++ side needs to keep things it uses alive
  2134. # [21:38] <eeejay> yeah
  2135. # [21:39] <eeejay> i prefer a zombie js observer over dereferencing a freed pointer.
  2136. # [21:39] <@smaug> it is a js object?
  2137. # [21:39] <eeejay> the observers are
  2138. # [21:40] <eeejay> the service is not
  2139. # [21:40] <@smaug> just make sure you release them at some point
  2140. # [21:40] <eeejay> s/are/may be/
  2141. # [21:40] <@smaug> though, if the service is for chrome only, you may require js to remove the observers
  2142. # [21:41] <eeejay> hm
  2143. # [21:41] * jaws|away is now known as jaws
  2144. # [21:41] <@smaug> eeejay: or is it not for chrome only?
  2145. # [21:41] <eeejay> smaug, yeah. it is only for chrome
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  2149. # [21:42] <@smaug> though, even in that case you may want to add the stuff to cycle collection
  2150. # [21:42] * eeejay is clueless about cycle collection
  2151. # [21:42] * @smaug has no idea what eeejay is actually doing
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  2153. # [21:43] <@smaug> oh, right you said it is a service
  2154. # [21:43] <eeejay> maybe we should just stick to raw pointers and hope any chrome js code is careful
  2155. # [21:43] <@smaug> cycle collection won't help then
  2156. # [21:43] <@smaug> since service will stay alive until shutdown
  2157. # [21:43] <eeejay> bug 698823
  2158. # [21:43] <@dbaron> Ms2ger, I think I'm going to have to try recording that later... :-)
  2159. # [21:43] <eeejay> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=698823
  2160. # [21:43] <@smaug> eeejay: no raw pointer
  2161. # [21:43] <Ms2ger> dbaron, would listen :)
  2162. # [21:43] <eeejay> it is long and an involved patch, but you asked :)
  2163. # [21:44] <@smaug> eeejay: if the pointer is coming from js/xpconnect
  2164. # [21:44] <eeejay> smaug, no it is not a service, i misused the word
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  2166. # [21:45] <@smaug> eeejay: which patch. there are 4
  2167. # [21:45] <@smaug> 5
  2168. # [21:46] <eeejay> smaug, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=585060 the file is nsAccessiblePivot.{cpp,h}
  2169. # [21:46] <@smaug> eeejay: so js implements nsTObserverArray ?
  2170. # [21:46] <@smaug> er
  2171. # [21:46] <@smaug> nsIAccessiblePivotObserver
  2172. # [21:46] <eeejay> smaug, right
  2173. # [21:47] <@smaug> you really must keep those objects alive
  2174. # [21:47] <@smaug> the objects you have in C++ are actually wrappers
  2175. # [21:47] <@smaug> and if you don't keep them alive, no one will
  2176. # [21:48] <eeejay> hm
  2177. # [21:48] <@smaug> (they may stay alive depending on what happens in JS)
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  2179. # [21:49] <eeejay> in cpp the only way we use the nsIAccessiblePivotObserver so far is with the pivot's primary reference holder
  2180. # [21:49] <@smaug> eeejay: so, nsTObserverArray<nsIAccessiblePivotObserver*> -> nsTObserverArray<nsCOMPtr<nsIAccessiblePivotObserver> >
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  2182. # [21:49] <eeejay> smaug, cool, thanks for looking through that
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  2191. # [21:54] <khuey> oh great
  2192. # [21:55] <khuey> my patch has mac only failures
  2193. # [21:55] * khuey hates mac so much
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  2195. # [21:55] * Ms2ger hates windows more
  2196. # [21:55] <khuey> but the users are on windows
  2197. # [21:56] <Ms2ger> Bah
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  2199. # [21:56] <Ms2ger> Not building on windows wfm
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  2201. # [21:56] <Mossop> Tell Mac users to just install vmware if they want Firefox
  2202. # [21:56] <khuey> r-
  2203. # [21:56] <khuey> Mossop: sounds great to me!
  2204. # [21:56] <Ms2ger> Would r+
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  2214. # [22:02] <ted> yeah, we should totally ship firefox as a VM that you launch that just runs the linux build
  2215. # [22:02] <Callek> anyone have a bookmarklet/error-console-script that I can run to do a mass (across say ~100-200 tabs) a reload /refresh for pages that got "Firefox can't find the server at bugzilla.mozilla.org." error pages (due to my DNS not working right away at boot)?
  2216. # [22:02] <ted> i guess it might as well just use B2G at that point
  2217. # [22:02] * reuben has been using Parallels Desktop lately, and it's being a much better experience than Fusion/VirtualBox
  2218. # [22:02] <cpeterson> question about try servers: Does "starring" an orange test mean that the test failure has a Bugzilla report already? Or that the test failure seems to be unrelated to the change being "tried"?
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  2221. # [22:03] <Ms2ger> cpeterson, a star is a reference to a bug or an explanation of why you the failure isn't your fault
  2222. # [22:03] <Callek> cpeterson: generally you always want a bug on file, unless you know something is completely not your fault, and probably won't happen again
  2223. # [22:03] <@dbaron> Ms2ger, http://dbaron.org/tmp/poem.ogg
  2224. # [22:04] <Callek> (such as, "previous push broke things, backout out in cset XYZ")
  2225. # [22:04] <Callek> :-)
  2226. # [22:04] <philor> on try, retrigger, don't say "I don't think this is me, and we'll just find out that I'm wrong when it lands"
  2227. # [22:04] <cpeterson> Thanks. That makes sense.
  2228. # [22:04] <Callek> philor: exactly :-)
  2229. # [22:04] <Callek> cpeterson: yes, on try, if its not in a bug, best to retrigger once or twice, and find out if its a new intermittent you're adding, or what
  2230. # [22:05] <Ms2ger> Listening to dbaron, brb
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  2233. # [22:06] <dholbert> cpeterson, do you know to retrigger through the tbpl interface? (with the little "+")?
  2234. # [22:06] <cpeterson> dholbert, I do now. thx <:)
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  2236. # [22:06] <dholbert> cpeterson, cool. :)
  2237. # [22:07] <dholbert> cpeterson, (in-progress builds / test-runs have a stop sign instead of a plus, and you can use that to cancel them, e.g. if you realize that a whole push is busted and don't want to waste resources)
  2238. # [22:08] <reuben> dbaron, nice pronunciation
  2239. # [22:08] <reuben> is this a known bug? http://cl.ly/D1Y5
  2240. # [22:08] <dholbert> cpeterson, (er s/instead of/along with/)
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  2244. # [22:09] <Callek> cpeterson: warning, generally worse (for now) to stop builds on most trees, only place its useful is try
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  2248. # [22:15] <dholbert> Callek, why's that?
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  2250. # [22:15] <Callek> dholbert: because it *can* (not necessarily will) cause repo's/dirs to be in a bad state on that slave for that tree
  2251. # [22:16] <Callek> and the following build there won't clobber away the problem
  2252. # [22:16] <dholbert> Callek, mm, good to know
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  2285. # [22:38] <ehsan> khuey: tmpnam() on windows returns things like "\s644." :(
  2286. # [22:39] <ehsan> stupid microsoft
  2287. # [22:39] <khuey> sweet
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  2289. # [22:41] <ehsan> khuey: I'll write a new patch, sorry for the breakage
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  2291. # [22:42] <NeilAway> ehsan: wait, so how did I fix bug 702064?
  2292. # [22:42] <khuey> thanks for jumping on it
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  2298. # [22:44] <ehsan> NeilAway: perhaps they use contenteditable somewhere?
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  2300. # [22:44] <ehsan> I think we should just dupe that bug
  2301. # [22:44] <NeilAway> ehsan: oh, yeah, that would explain it :-)
  2302. # [22:45] <ehsan> heh
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  2304. # [22:45] <ehsan> NeilAway: their comment box is indeed a contenteditable div
  2305. # [22:45] <ehsan> I'll dupe the bug
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  2311. # [22:48] <jimm> ah, our lists of contributors in the src are going away. :(
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  2315. # [22:50] <jimm> on the other hand I'm looking forward to the smaller boilerplate.
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  2319. # [22:52] <NeilAway> jimm: I never kept mine up-to-date anyway...
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  2325. # [22:54] <jimm> I wonder what impact the smaller header will have on things like checkouts and build times.
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  2328. # [22:56] <Callek> jimm: not much, in theory (at least with current hg) since a clone/checkout takes full change history
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  2330. # [22:57] <Callek> jimm: for new (clean) repos, will help; and build times negligable :-)
  2331. # [22:57] <Callek> but all in all, I agree the current contrib-in-headers is poor and not good for our uses
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  2362. # [23:14] <NeilAway> ehsan: I await your response to my response to your review before creating a new patch
  2363. # [23:14] <ehsan> NeilAway: I'm replying right now :)
  2364. # [23:16] <Callek> NeilAway: btw, if I get a patch/bug on file about exporting mozilla::services::Get* to external linkage, are you ok with me pushing forward usage of mozilla::services directly in c-c code?
  2365. # [23:16] <NeilAway> Callek: sure
  2366. # [23:17] <NeilAway> Callek: oh wait, not just for bug, needs r+ first ;-)
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  2369. # [23:17] <Callek> NeilAway: "pushing forward" meaning "get a r+ on patches, etc.)
  2370. # [23:18] <Callek> NeilAway: I mean, that even if the bug I am driving for making it externally linkable needs changes I'll do it, if its wontfixed I'll have you advocate, but I'm really not wanting to block my use of mozilla::services in c-c on the exporting bug
  2371. # [23:18] <ehsan> NeilAway: done
  2372. # [23:18] * Callek hopes that made sense
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  2382. # [23:26] <cjones> can anyone around with the power to grant editbugs do so for ferjmoreno@gmail.com and josea.olivera@gmail.com? kthx
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  2389. # [23:32] <KWierso> http://download.cnet.com/8301-2007_4-57351535-12/whats-coming-in-firefox-11/
  2390. # [23:32] <KWierso> "Windows 7 and Vista users will no longer see the User Account Control (UAC) for Firefox after the browser's initial installation. "
  2391. # [23:32] <KWierso> uh... no?
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  2394. # [23:33] <khuey> well they're probably going by our plans that said we were going ship this stuff in 11
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  2396. # [23:33] <khuey> and not our code which doesn't have those patches in it
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  2399. # [23:37] <philor> nice websocket crash. here, let me show you the custom of my people when seeing such a thing...
  2400. # [23:37] <jwir3> congrats, johnath
  2401. # [23:37] <micahg> jlebar: is it worth a separate bug to track the error message in about:memory be pretty when /proc/self/smaps is missing?
  2402. # [23:38] <johnath> jwir3: hmm?
  2403. # [23:38] <jlebar> michal, Track what about the error message, exactly?
  2404. # [23:38] <johnath> jwir3: oh, look at that! Thanks
  2405. # [23:38] <eeejay> hey NeilAway, i could see you are gone, and that is OK.
  2406. # [23:38] <jwir3> johnath: heh, yeah. ;)
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  2408. # [23:39] <micahg> jlebar: just to change it from the standard JS error look to something like you mentioned in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=688233#c23
  2409. # [23:39] <eeejay> NeilAway, we have a patch up for your benevolent super review when you have the time, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=698823
  2410. # [23:40] <jlebar> micahg, ah, yes, that's a valid bug. I wouldn't hold my breath for someone to get around to fixing it, though.
  2411. # [23:40] <micahg> jlebar: sure, just wondering if it's worth me filing
  2412. # [23:41] <micahg> we ran into it on Ubuntu due to apparmor blocking access (we'll fix that most likely)
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  2415. # [23:46] <cjones> can anyone around with the power to grant editbugs do so for ferjmoreno@gmail.com and josea.olivera@gmail.com? kthx
  2416. # [23:46] <khuey> gavin: ^
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  2419. # [23:49] <DGMurdockIII> im still downloading the driver
  2420. # [23:49] * bear-buildduty is now known as bear-buildduty-afk
  2421. # [23:49] <DGMurdockIII> is there any other info you need from me
  2422. # [23:50] * jfkthame is now known as jfkthame_afk
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  2427. # [23:56] <khuey> !seen bz
  2428. # [23:56] <firebot> bz was last seen 5 days, 2 hours, 2 minutes and 9 seconds ago, changing nick to bz_pto.
  2429. # [23:56] <khuey> hrm
  2430. # [23:56] <khuey> no bz
  2431. # [23:56] <khuey> no bholley
  2432. # [23:56] <khuey> this is annoying
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  2437. # [23:59] <dholbert> gerv, ping?
  2438. # [23:59] <gerv> pong.
  2439. # Session Close: Wed Jan 04 00:00:01 2012

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