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  1. # Session Start: Sat Feb 04 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #developers
  3. # [00:00] <azakai> did we disable url autocompletion in the url bar?
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  5. # [00:00] <edmorley> azakai: yeah
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  10. # [00:01] <@ehsan> edmorley: yeah I'm waiting for releng to fix that bug :)
  11. # [00:01] <azakai> too bad, i got used to it since it was added.. any idea why?
  12. # [00:01] <edmorley> azakai: due to bug 720792 , will be re-enabled once that sorted
  13. # [00:01] <edmorley> ehsan: ahh, awesome :-)
  14. # [00:01] <azakai> thanks edmorley
  15. # [00:02] <edmorley> you're welcome :-)
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  18. # [00:04] <Cww> fs
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  22. # [00:05] <bent> ehsan, can you find the bug #?
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  28. # [00:10] <@ehsan> bent: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=721573
  29. # [00:10] <@ehsan> bent: if those builds are not signed, please reopen
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  48. # [00:22] <jlebar|mac> bz / roc: Does a content docshell's presshell's root view correspond to the view of the root docshell? I'm trying to get a widget pointer, but the "root view" I get doesn't have a widget.
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  50. # [00:23] <roc> yes
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  53. # [00:24] <roc> oh wait
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  56. # [00:24] <roc> no
  57. # [00:24] <roc> I misunderstood your question
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  63. # [00:25] <roc> you want nsIViewManager::GetRootWidget probably
  64. # [00:26] <roc> or better still, nsIFrame::GetNearestWidget
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  68. # [00:27] <jlebar|mac> hm…okay. Maybe this code is busted! /me tries.
  69. # [00:27] <jlebar|mac> roc: thanks!
  70. # [00:28] <Ms2ger> jlebar|mac, would that surprise you? :)
  71. # [00:31] <jlebar|mac> roc: I may have a widget! Thanks.
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  85. # [00:45] <NeilAway> whoa, unbundle is really slow
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  87. # [00:48] <ddahl|sheriff> mfinkle: did you see the apparent leak on tbpl for bug 723917
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  94. # [00:57] <mfinkle> ddahl|sheriff, where is the leak?
  95. # [00:57] <mfinkle> what test?
  96. # [00:57] <mfinkle> I don't see any android results back yet
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  98. # [00:58] <mfinkle> the one on WinXP? :)
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  107. # [01:06] <ddahl|sheriff> mfinkle: yep
  108. # [01:06] <ddahl|sheriff> windoze
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  116. # [01:08] <mfinkle> ddahl, I'm dubious that the android java code would cause it
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  119. # [01:08] <ddahl> mfinkle: yeah, sometimes those leaks are bogus
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  125. # [01:18] <NeilAway> ehsan: any idea when you might respond to bug 722842 comment 6?
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  127. # [01:18] <@ehsan> NeilAway: looking
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  129. # [01:20] <@ehsan> NeilAway: I'm not sure what the question is there
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  131. # [01:20] <@ehsan> NeilAway: spell checking is on by default for editable content
  132. # [01:20] <@ehsan> by SM can turn it off if it wants to
  133. # [01:20] <@ehsan> can't it?
  134. # [01:20] <NeilAway> ehsan: well, just setting up the editor now turns it on by default
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  136. # [01:21] <@ehsan> NeilAway: hasn't that been always the case?
  137. # [01:21] <gregglind> can NSPR print timestamps? If so, how does one enable that?
  138. # [01:22] <NeilAway> ehsan: no, bug 434998 changed it
  139. # [01:22] <@ehsan> gregglind: if you're talking about NSPR logging, see http://www.mozilla.org/projects/nspr/reference/html/prlog.html
  140. # [01:22] <NeilAway> ehsan: spellchecking only used to turn on for design mode documents, not xul editors, until you went and made xul editor documents design mode documents too
  141. # [01:23] <@ehsan> gregglind: in short you should add the timestamp module
  142. # [01:23] <@ehsan> NeilAway: no, but 434998 has nothing to do with spell checking
  143. # [01:23] <@ehsan> we have code in editor to turn on spell checking as part of the initialization
  144. # [01:23] <gregglind> thank ehsan! I will add that to my env
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  146. # [01:24] <@ehsan> NeilAway: the fact that it was not initialized before that bug was a bug in itself, which Composer was relying on
  147. # [01:24] <@ehsan> NeilAway: the editor itself only knows about contenteditbale and designmode
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  149. # [01:24] <@ehsan> NeilAway: so having an editor for a document which was neither would break all sorts of assumptions that the editor makes
  150. # [01:25] <NeilAway> ehsan: well it worked fine for us before!
  151. # [01:25] <@ehsan> NeilAway: yeah I know, what I'm trying to say is that bug did not "break" anything
  152. # [01:25] <@ehsan> it just fixed a bug that SM was relying on
  153. # [01:25] <@ehsan> but xul editors can turn off spell checking if they need to
  154. # [01:26] <@ehsan> that is totally supported
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  156. # [01:30] <NeilAway> ehsan: hmm, so we have to wait for editor to init, which turns on spellcheck, and then say "actually, don't bother"?
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  159. # [01:31] <@ehsan> hmm
  160. # [01:31] <@ehsan> NeilAway: so SM doesn't want spell checking at all?
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  162. # [01:32] <NeilAway> ehsan: not unless the user wants it
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  166. # [01:35] <@ehsan> NeilAway: ok, we can easily modify core to not spell check by default
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  169. # [01:36] <sicking> mccr8: hmm... so a long long time ago, in a building not that far away, i did touch the fastload code. I recall having to change a version number which indicated the version of the fastload cache format. I don't see any such change in that patch
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  171. # [01:36] <sicking> mccr8: but the relevant #define doesn't appear to exist any more
  172. # [01:36] <@ehsan> NeilAway: nsEditor::CanEnableSpellCheck() can return false if IsMailEditor() && !mDidPostCreate
  173. # [01:36] <mccr8> sicking: yeah it looks like there's a new version number thing.
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  175. # [01:36] <@ehsan> NeilAway: I think that should be enough to restore the old behavior
  176. # [01:36] <NeilAway> ehsan: hmm, well, turning it off immediately again seems to work, I guess
  177. # [01:37] <@ehsan> NeilAway: ok
  178. # [01:37] <@ehsan> NeilAway: I need to leave now, sorry :( please send me an email if you have more questions
  179. # [01:37] <sicking> mccr8: out of curiosity, where is it?
  180. # [01:37] <mccr8> sicking: XBLBinding_Serialize_Version
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  182. # [01:37] <NeilAway> ehsan: np
  183. # [01:37] <mccr8> sicking: in what looks like a new file, content/xbl/src/nsXBLSerialize.h
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  186. # [01:38] <NeilAway> ehsan: ooh, a flag!
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  188. # [01:38] * NeilAway wonders whether we can set that early on
  189. # [01:40] <sicking> mccr8: hmm.. so that's an in-file version indicator. But what happens if the version of file you're reading from is old enough that it doesn't have that version indicator. It used to be that we had a version for the whole file
  190. # [01:40] <sicking> bz: ping
  191. # [01:40] <mccr8> sicking: ah, good point. I'm not sure where exactly that happens.
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  220. # [02:09] <cmr> Yeahch. I closed ~70 tabs, firefox dropped from 778MB of memory (as reported by about:memory) to 604. On a restart of firefox, it uses 260MB. What's up with that?
  221. # [02:11] <larfdesk> I have found that firefox usually does not give up stuff in memory unless you shift refresh the page... even the memory release stuff in about:memory don't do much
  222. # [02:12] <mbrubeck> cmr: Some memory will only be released after a delay; you can force some of that to be released sooner using the buttons in about:memory.
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  224. # [02:12] <cmr> mbrubeck: I did do that
  225. # [02:12] <cmr> It didn't affect things too much though, only 10mb or so.
  226. # [02:13] <cmr> should I have just given it more time?
  227. # [02:14] <mbrubeck> I'm not certain. It might make a difference.
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  229. # [02:14] <cmr> Well, I'll work my way back up the tab count over the weekend and play some more.
  230. # [02:14] <mbrubeck> Releasing memory you've allocated is not always the best choice for performance, if it just slows things down when you need to allocate it again soon.
  231. # [02:15] <mbrubeck> How much memory Firefox uses is partly determined by how much unused memory your system has.
  232. # [02:15] <cmr> Well, I do have plenty of that
  233. # [02:15] <mccr8> cmr: some pages accumulate stuff. I'm not really sure why. as larfdesk said, reloading individual pages and checking after a bit in about memory to see if a bunch of stuff got released.
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  235. # [02:15] <mccr8> cmr: the most likely pages are "web app" kind of things like gmail and twitter.
  236. # [02:17] <larfdesk> I have to shift refresh with google reader every half hour or so. or else firefox will restart itself :P
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  239. # [02:19] <mccr8> larfdesk: yeah, if you go through a bunch of entries in reader, it holds onto them for some reason...
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  258. # [02:38] <hendry> Hi there, is there a way to detect when Firefox is seeing a 404 or it doesn't have a network connection from shell?
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  371. # [05:10] <sysKin> o/
  372. # [05:11] <sysKin> my nightly has been freezing on me fir the last couple of days, and I eventually activated hang detector
  373. # [05:11] <sysKin> and got this: bp-6ffdb0e3-6f76-4841-af2f-159c52120203
  374. # [05:11] <sysKin> anyone has any idea how to read this -- just exactly what it was doing
  375. # [05:16] <jesup> larfdesk: yeah, it seems (without my looking at the code) that google reader loves to hold onto nodes - not much we can do except suggest you reload.
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  377. # [05:17] <jesup> cmr: do you have it set to reload tabs on a restart, or to wait until you focus them?
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  380. # [05:19] <@bz> sysKin: you there?
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  383. # [05:19] <@bz> sysKin: that's ... not a terribly useful stack. :(
  384. # [05:19] <jesup> cmr: though a lot of pages grow (to a point) over time. A few keep growing forever. Never leave a tab on a huffingtonpost story where the key for the twitter scroller gets any number of hits. It will kill your browser...
  385. # [05:20] <@bz> sysKin: oh, I see
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  387. # [05:20] <@bz> sysKin: you still there?
  388. # [05:21] <jesup> bz: Know anything about passports and travel to Canada? Sounds like they're needed now. (or can anyone else answer)
  389. # [05:21] <@bz> jesup: for US folks?
  390. # [05:21] <@bz> jesup: I believe you need a passport or passport card
  391. # [05:22] <@bz> jesup: to go to Canada
  392. # [05:22] <derf> I think a birth certificate also suffices.
  393. # [05:22] <@bz> mmm
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  396. # [05:22] * @bz checks that
  397. # [05:22] <@bz> that _used_ to be the case
  398. # [05:22] <jesup> bz: yeah, that's what I heard - except the birht cert thing
  399. # [05:22] <jesup> yeah, I think it changed :-(
  400. # [05:23] <@bz> here we are
  401. # [05:23] <@bz> "If a U.S. citizen traveling to Canada does not have a passport, passport card, or approved alternate document such as a NEXUS card, they must show a government-issued photo ID (e.g. Driverb
  402. # [05:23] <@bz> er...
  403. # [05:24] <@bz> If a U.S. citizen traveling to Canada does not have a passport, passport card, or approved alternate document such as a NEXUS card, they must show a government-issued photo ID (e.g. Driver's License) and proof of U.S. citizenship such as a U.S. birth certificate, naturalization certificate, or expired U.S. passport. Children under 16 need only present proof of U.S. citizenship. (Please see below for important information concerning re-
  404. # [05:24] <@bz> the United States.)
  405. # [05:24] <jesup> what's the link?
  406. # [05:24] <@bz> http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1082.html
  407. # [05:24] <jesup> I have an expired passport
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  409. # [05:24] <@bz> for coming back _into_ the US, things are more complicated
  410. # [05:24] <@bz> "all U.S. citizens are required to present a valid U.S. passport to enter or re-enter the United States via air. "
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  412. # [05:25] <@bz> "For entry into the United States via land and sea borders, U.S. citizens must present either a U.S. passport, passport card, NEXUS card, Enhanced Drivers License, or other Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative (WHTI)-compliant document."
  413. # [05:25] <@bz> "The only exception to this requirement is for U.S. citizens under the age of 16 (or under 19, if traveling with a school, religious, or other youth group) who need only present a birth certificate (original, photocopy or certified copy), Consular Report of Birth Abroad, or naturalization certificate. "
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  415. # [05:25] <@bz> So it sounds like you can _enter_ canada with an expired passport and a driver's license
  416. # [05:26] <@bz> probably
  417. # [05:26] <@bz> but geting back into the US is unclear
  418. # [05:26] <jesup> bz: yup, looks like I can go to canada but not return...
  419. # [05:27] * @bz wonders what an Enhanced Drivers License is
  420. # [05:27] <jesup> catch-22
  421. # [05:27] <derf> I'm pretty sure you can get back.
  422. # [05:27] <derf> I had a friend who did this for IETF 81.
  423. # [05:27] <jesup> not according to that pae
  424. # [05:27] <jesup> page
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  426. # [05:27] <@bz> ah, a license from Michigan, NY, Vermont, or WA
  427. # [05:27] <@bz> apparently
  428. # [05:28] <@bz> hey, those states border canada!
  429. # [05:28] <jesup> PA doesn't :-(
  430. # [05:28] <@bz> yeah
  431. # [05:28] <jesup> or rather doesn't issue them
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  433. # [05:28] <jesup> derf: was he from one of thos e states?
  434. # [05:29] <derf> jesup: No, VA.
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  436. # [05:29] <jesup> Did he just plea for mercy? :-)
  437. # [05:29] <derf> I dunno, I just asked him.
  438. # [05:29] <derf> I remember him being very worried about it, but then it being no big deal.
  439. # [05:30] <derf> But I don't remember the details.
  440. # [05:30] * philor is now known as philor|away
  441. # [05:30] <@bz> well
  442. # [05:30] <@bz> so here's the problem
  443. # [05:30] <@bz> or a problem
  444. # [05:30] <@bz> it's entirely possible that enforcement is selective
  445. # [05:30] <@bz> for all this stuff
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  448. # [05:30] <jesup> not taking that chance
  449. # [05:31] <jesup> got away with it at 14
  450. # [05:31] <jesup> brb
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  452. # [05:31] * roc has a sinking feeling
  453. # [05:32] <@bz> roc: ?
  454. # [05:32] <@bz> jesup: at 14 a birth cert is enough.
  455. # [05:32] <@bz> jesup: per that page
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  457. # [05:32] <roc> someone has to go to Toronto around the 15th. It probably needs to be either jesup or me...
  458. # [05:33] <sysKin> bz: sorry was away. yes, that stack seems to be just empty.... I'm getting that freeze approximately once a day, seems to trigger after minutes of inactivity. a cpu core spins at 100% usage
  459. # [05:33] <@bz> 15th?
  460. # [05:33] * Waldo tries to munge "Canada" into "Charlie on the MTA", fails
  461. # [05:33] <@bz> should totall be able to renew a passport before 15th
  462. # [05:33] <@bz> sysKin: how long does the freeze last for?
  463. # [05:33] <Waldo> that depends how expired it is
  464. # [05:34] <@bz> sysKin: none of the stacks there seem relevant. :(
  465. # [05:34] <sysKin> bz: forever. until I kill it
  466. # [05:34] <jesup> There is an expedited method; I'll call Philly and see if I can get an appt in time
  467. # [05:34] <@bz> jesup: oh, hmm
  468. # [05:34] <Waldo> if it's from before you were 18 (?) you have to do the whole rigmarole
  469. # [05:34] <roc> it can't possibly be
  470. # [05:34] <Waldo> and I think if it's been expired for some longer period of time, too
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  472. # [05:34] <@bz> jesup: didn't think about not being located in/near a big city. ;)
  473. # [05:34] <jesup> I'll likely need a ticket
  474. # [05:34] <Waldo> but I'm only sure of the first bit, because it happened to me
  475. # [05:35] <jesup> bz: 30-40 min to center city
  476. # [05:35] <@bz> hrm
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  478. # [05:35] <@bz> http://travel.state.gov/passport/processing/processing_1740.html claims 2-3 weeks door-to-door over mail (with overnighting stuff)
  479. # [05:36] <@bz> but also has instructions for "traveling within 14 days"
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  481. # [05:36] <jesup> at 14, I returned from a month canoeing in canada (smelling of woodsmoke), with not papers at all, alone. They accepted a letter from my father to me as proof of citizenship.
  482. # [05:36] <@bz> and yes, you will ned proof of travel
  483. # [05:36] <jesup> That was a wee bit of time ago... 1977
  484. # [05:36] <@bz> "
  485. # [05:36] <@bz> You may not present a travel itinerary on an electronic mobile device as proof of travel. All agencies require that proof of travel be presented in hardcopy, except the Colorado Passport Agency, the Minneapolis Passport Agency, the San Diego Passport Agency and the Vermont Passport Agency, which do not require proof of travel to make an appointment."
  486. # [05:37] <@bz> (this is from http://travel.state.gov/passport/npic/schedule/schedule_852.html)
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  488. # [05:38] <jesup> I have a passport that expired in 2010
  489. # [05:38] <Waldo> http://travel.state.gov/passport/renew/renew_833.html suggests expired-in-2010 is good, and you can make an appointment
  490. # [05:38] <@bz> And yeah, the philly office seems to be pretty downtownish
  491. # [05:38] * Waldo loves how we've just cited three different URLs here
  492. # [05:38] <jesup> Ironically, I was going to renew it next week in case I need to go to Paris IETF at the end of March
  493. # [05:39] * philor|away is now known as philor
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  495. # [05:39] <@bz> Waldo: there's a lot of granularity there
  496. # [05:39] <Waldo> *shrug*
  497. # [05:39] <@bz> Waldo: on the bright side, it's actually pretty well documented
  498. # [05:39] <@bz> Waldo: so I'm not complaining too much
  499. # [05:39] <Waldo> bz: "documented", I see what you did there
  500. # [05:39] <Waldo> and yeah
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  502. # [05:40] <@bz> Waldo: even if the documentation does say silly things like "you can enter canada with an expired US passport, just not come back"
  503. # [05:40] <Waldo> getting a new passport back before the last summit was mostly painless
  504. # [05:40] <Waldo> albeit expensive
  505. # [05:40] <Waldo> to some extent
  506. # [05:40] * @bz should get his youngest a passport
  507. # [05:40] <@bz> though apparently at least for Canada he doesn't need it...
  508. # [05:41] <@bz> I like the part of http://travel.state.gov/passport/hurry/hurry_831.html labeled "Life or Death Emergencies"
  509. # [05:41] * Waldo remembers driving through Canada to Boston, and vice versa, with more or less no hassle six-ish years ago
  510. # [05:42] <@bz> yeah, this stuff all went into effect in 2009, apparently
  511. # [05:42] <Waldo> wonder what the Detroit area kids do for their 19-year-old drinking jollies now
  512. # [05:42] <@bz> first it required the set of things now required for land+sea, but only for air
  513. # [05:42] <@bz> waldo: get a driver's license?
  514. # [05:42] <@bz> waldo: MI was one of the 4 states whose licenses are good enough to reenter with
  515. # [05:43] <Waldo> ah
  516. # [05:43] <Waldo> although, the under-enforcement of those requirements is such that it's kind of pointless going to Canada for that anyway
  517. # [05:43] * @bz is hypothesizing on driver's license, but....
  518. # [05:45] <jesup> So it might be possible. I'll need proof of travel (I assume a printout of itinerary)
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  521. # [05:49] <jesup> sysKin: is it user CPU, or system? (win32 - I notice that when you're out of address space, the system will hang for 10-100+ seconds (sometimes minutes) with 100% system cpu use (of 1 core)
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  523. # [05:53] <jesup> In high school, we went to Toronto from Buffalo (NSF summer program) for a day trip; when coming back I had no papers then either; they just asked where I lived.
  524. # [05:54] <sysKin> jesup: hmmm how can I tell from windows task manager? all I can see is firefox.exe taking 13% of cpu time (with my 8-thread cpu)
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  526. # [05:54] <sysKin> bz, jesup: I just had it again. definitely something to do with leaving my computer idle. bp-1c5585ca-37ba-4bac-a977-5d2992120204
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  528. # [05:55] <jesup> syskin: select "show kernel times" off View. Kernel is red
  529. # [05:55] <sysKin> jesup: ok I'll disable hang detection and wait for the next one
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  532. # [06:04] <@bz> jesup: when you were in high school, they were simpler days
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  535. # [06:06] <@bz> hmm
  536. # [06:06] <@bz> what's this autoland thing?
  537. # [06:06] <@dolske> bz: ask ehsan
  538. # [06:07] <@dolske> ...but it appears to be a project to help automate the try + landing of patches.
  539. # [06:07] <@bz> hmm
  540. # [06:07] <@bz> but it doesn't land patches yet, right?
  541. # [06:07] <@dolske> not as of a week ago.
  542. # [06:07] <@bz> ok
  543. # [06:07] <@bz> good enough
  544. # [06:08] * @bz is looking at checkin-needed stuff
  545. # [06:08] * @dolske encoundered it in bug 718253
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  548. # [06:08] <@dolske> encountered, even.
  549. # [06:08] * @bz lands support for our first new CSS unit in forever
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  551. # [06:09] <@dolske> jesup: fwiw, if you're needing to travel soon, you can get expidited passport service (of course it costs more)
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  553. # [06:09] <sfink> please tell me I can set my sizes in furlongs finally
  554. # [06:09] <@dolske> ooh, CSS fur... damnit!
  555. # [06:09] <sfink> slow keyboard?
  556. # [06:09] <@bz> sfink: oh, not a linear unit
  557. # [06:09] <@dolske> yes :(
  558. # [06:10] <@bz> sfink: angular
  559. # [06:10] <@dolske> finally a unit for those in polar locales!
  560. # [06:10] * @bz notes we don't even support miles
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  563. # [06:10] <@bz> the angular unit story is sad
  564. # [06:11] <@bz> we now support deg, grad, rad, turn
  565. # [06:11] <jesup> dolske: current processing time for expedited is 2-3 weeks. I'd need to travel in around 10 days
  566. # [06:11] <@bz> of which grad is insane, deg is useless for most computations, rad is useless for readability
  567. # [06:11] <@bz> and turn is somewhat like deg
  568. # [06:11] <@bz> ah, well
  569. # [06:12] * @bz notes that he had never heard of grad until looking at our code
  570. # [06:13] <sysKin> jesup: got it again >_< negative on kernal time, it's mostly (but not all?) user time
  571. # [06:13] <sysKin> kernel*
  572. # [06:13] <aja> vw, vh. vm?
  573. # [06:13] <@dolske> jesup: well... just be thankful they're keeping America Safe? sigh.
  574. # [06:13] <@bz> aja: no support for those yet
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  577. # [06:14] <@bz> aja: the spec is dumb. dbaron tried to get it fixed, but IE had already shipped the dumb thing unprefixed
  578. # [06:14] <aja> typical
  579. # [06:14] <@bz> well
  580. # [06:14] <jesup> dolske: security theater... if someone wants to (and isn't an idiot), none of this idiocy will stop them
  581. # [06:14] <@bz> in their defense, the spec claimed to be in CR
  582. # [06:15] <@bz> it was just still dumb
  583. # [06:15] <sysKin> bz: I'm currently frozen again, and hang detector is off so it will stay like this. is there anything I can do right now? I don't have a debugger installed I'm afraid
  584. # [06:15] <aja> ah....i retract then
  585. # [06:15] <@bz> er, wait
  586. # [06:15] <@bz> maybe not
  587. # [06:15] <@bz> no, wasn't cr
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  589. # [06:15] <@bz> then I have no idea why they did that
  590. # [06:16] <aja> then i un-retract!
  591. # [06:16] <@bz> Ok
  592. # [06:16] <@bz> quick poll
  593. # [06:16] <@dolske> oh, that's what a "turn" is. I was expecting some kind of rare exotic unit. >_<
  594. # [06:16] <@bz> without looking at the spec....
  595. # [06:16] <@dolske> jesup: srsly.
  596. # [06:16] <@bz> "width: 1vw; height: 1vh"
  597. # [06:16] <@bz> What's the rendering?
  598. # [06:16] <@dolske> what's vw/vh?
  599. # [06:17] <@bz> they're supposed to be a way to size things in terms of the viewport width and height respectively
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  601. # [06:17] <@dolske> huh. ok.
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  603. # [06:17] <@bz> my question stands. ;)
  604. # [06:17] <aja> bz....they're percentages, right?
  605. # [06:18] <@bz> aja: yeah, that's the stupidity
  606. # [06:18] <@bz> so what I wrote above would be 1% of the viewport width wide and 1% of the viewport height tall
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  608. # [06:18] <@bz> whereas dbaron argued that 1vh should be the height of the viewport
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  610. # [06:18] <aja> yeah....that's what i seemed to recall from reading
  611. # [06:19] <@dolske> is this a bad time to start arguing against vendor prefixes? :)
  612. # [06:19] <@bz> well
  613. # [06:19] <@bz> so...
  614. # [06:19] <aja> do;ske: heh
  615. # [06:19] * @dolske is not serious
  616. # [06:19] <@bz> nothing wrong with prefixes when used for bleeding-edge experimental shit that you don't encourage people to use. ;)
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  618. # [06:21] <aja> i wish cm, mm, in were still _real_ sizes
  619. # [06:22] <@dolske> and suddenly imperial units make a come back!
  620. # [06:22] <@dolske> (thanks, I'll be here all week.)
  621. # [06:23] * @dolske wanders off to machette some old tests
  622. # [06:28] * Waldo remembers reading the 100wv == 1 width thing, thinking it was sensible given the situation, but also not intuitive
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  624. # [06:30] * Waldo wonders whether having "pi" as an angular unit makes any sense
  625. # [06:30] * AaronMT|afk is now known as AaronMT
  626. # [06:30] <Waldo> or tau, for the haters
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  628. # [06:34] <ewong> Waldo what about rho?
  629. # [06:36] <Waldo> well, 2pi has natural meaning angularly, 1tau being 2pi
  630. # [06:36] <Waldo> I'm not aware of rho having some particular meaning in this space
  631. # [06:36] <@dolske> Waldo: please, let's not be irrational about this. #tooeasy
  632. # [06:36] <Waldo> dolske: no, there'd be a developer revolution if we were
  633. # [06:37] <Waldo> just want something more easily encompassed than the existing units
  634. # [06:38] <@bz> Waldo: I just landed support for tau, no?
  635. # [06:38] <@bz> Waldo: it's called "turn"
  636. # [06:38] <Waldo> oh, right
  637. # [06:38] <Waldo> "I didn't read the article, but..." :-)
  638. # [06:38] <@bz> Waldo: lol
  639. # [06:38] <Waldo> well, I did read where you said "turn", then forgot
  640. # [06:39] <@dolske> Waldo left his blinker on.
  641. # [06:39] <Waldo> dolske: so *that's* why my arm hurts so much now!
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  643. # [06:41] <@dolske> that's how I reuleaux.
  644. # [06:41] <Waldo> ugh
  645. # [06:41] <Waldo> that's just bad
  646. # [06:42] * Waldo surrenders
  647. # [06:42] <Waldo> although, if that's also an English word and not just a different French word, itym rouleaux
  648. # [06:42] <@dolske> \o/
  649. # [06:43] * Waldo knows rouleaux? from Scrabble \o/
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  653. # [06:47] <@bz> man
  654. # [06:47] <@bz> I suck
  655. # [06:48] * @bz procrastinated for months on a review that will end up taking just a day and a half
  656. # [06:48] <@bz> I seem to recall these patches being scarier....
  657. # [06:48] <Waldo> for the record, to defend my sacred honour[0], I was not actually surrendering, just riposting with a pun on French
  658. # [06:48] <@bz> maybe Brian simplified them
  659. # [06:48] <Waldo> [0] spelling appropriate to the situation
  660. # [06:49] * @bz dings Waldo 1/2 point for lack of initial capital, another for lack of trailing punctuation.
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  662. # [06:49] <@bz> And from now on, we will require all messages to this channel to be complete, well-punctuated and well-capitalized, sentences.
  663. # [06:49] <Waldo> you would have the gaulle to say that, wouldn't you?
  664. # [06:49] <@bz> For the next two minutes, at least.
  665. # [06:50] <@bz> Waldo: No comment.
  666. # [06:50] <Waldo> :-P
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  668. # [06:51] <@dolske> le roy est mort. read the orbituary in tomorrow's paper.
  669. # [06:51] <@bz> er
  670. # [06:52] <@bz> "le roy"?
  671. # [06:52] * @bz sure feels for this guy named Roy
  672. # [06:52] <@dolske> true fact, king louis preferred to go by the name leroy.
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  674. # [06:53] <@bz> Sad thing
  675. # [06:53] <@bz> Google claims 3550e3 hits for "le roy est mort"
  676. # [06:54] <@bz> And only 3610e3 for "le roi est mort"
  677. # [06:54] <@bz> Though the latter tend to have more Wikipedia in them
  678. # [06:55] * @bz decides his review queue is in better shape now
  679. # [06:55] <@dolske> hopefully a circular shape.
  680. # [06:55] <@bz> haha
  681. # [06:55] <@bz> funny man
  682. # [06:56] * @dolske retreats to tests, for real. :/
  683. # [06:56] <@bz> down to 4 bugs
  684. # [06:56] <@bz> one of which is r-, but I need to fix the path
  685. # [06:56] <@bz> er, patch
  686. # [06:56] <@bz> Was closer to 15 at the start of the week
  687. # [06:58] <@bz> hmm
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  689. # [06:59] <@bz> how do I do pgo on try?
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  693. # [07:04] <@bz> "Which Firefox is right for you -- 10, 11, 12 or 13?"
  694. # [07:04] * @bz loves the press
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  701. # [07:09] <@bz> njn: ping
  702. # [07:09] * @bz bets no njn until Sun
  703. # [07:10] <Waldo> plausible
  704. # [07:11] * @bz is merging some patches, and ran into a memory reporter
  705. # [07:13] <@bz> so
  706. # [07:13] <@bz> pgo on try?
  707. # [07:13] <Waldo> you can trigger it, yes
  708. # [07:14] * Waldo digs up the patch he uses for that
  709. # [07:14] <@bz> ah, I see
  710. # [07:14] <@bz> not in the try chooser
  711. # [07:14] <@bz> ok
  712. # [07:14] <@bz> I got it
  713. # [07:14] <Waldo> bz: something or other like this http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1474574
  714. # [07:14] <Waldo> not sure if that needs something to trigger osx as well, probably so
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  716. # [07:15] <@bz> no pgo on osx
  717. # [07:15] <@bz> so far
  718. # [07:15] <@bz> we build with gcc 4.2 on osx
  719. # [07:15] <Waldo> that may have been why it's lacking, then :-)
  720. # [07:15] <@bz> it's the sort of compiler that leaves its turn signal on and can't recall where it put its templates
  721. # [07:16] * @bz gets off its lawn
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  723. # [07:18] * @bz tries to decide whether today is a good day to change our font-family stuff
  724. # [07:19] <Waldo> you've got to ask yourself one question: do I feel lucky?
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  727. # [07:20] <@bz> also "how late do I want to be up?"
  728. # [07:20] * @bz puts this off to Monday
  729. # [07:20] <Callek> bz: yea, 1:15 am is quite late for you
  730. # [07:21] <Callek> :-)
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  732. # [07:21] <@bz> well
  733. # [07:21] <@bz> it may or may not be
  734. # [07:21] <@bz> depending
  735. # [07:21] * @bz made promises about tomorrow morning
  736. # [07:22] <@bz> g'night
  737. # [07:22] <Callek> I have seen you up this late, but yea
  738. # [07:22] * bz is now known as bz_sleep
  739. # [07:22] * Callek also has to go to a wake tomorrow morning
  740. # [07:22] <Waldo> should probably balance that with sleep now, then
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  742. # [07:25] <jesup> bz: turns out expediters can get passports in a couple of days - even overnight in some cases ($$$). And there's really no wait to get an appt for in-person renewal in Philly ($170)
  743. # [07:26] <Waldo> steep price, but if that's what it takes...
  744. # [07:26] * Waldo thinks his last passport, March 2010ish, was $115
  745. # [07:26] <Waldo> that was with the whole wait-six-weeks thing
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  748. # [07:37] <roc> since it would cost me > $3K to get to Toronto, it's totally worth spending $$$ so you can go instead :-)
  749. # [07:38] <roc> I had a passport emergency where I ended up in London, on a Sunday morning, needing a passport done that day. Cost about $250
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  761. # [07:50] <mreavy> roc: it would have been totally crazy for you to go all that way for a 2-3 day meeting that jesup can handle imho.
  762. # [07:52] <mreavy> roc: plus you're trying to land your MediaStreams Processing code asap. if you went to the work week in toronto, it would probably be like a week hit to getting that code landed (when you include travel time, etc)
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  764. # [07:55] <mreavy> ironically, jesup and i were asked if we wanted to go to the gaming week up in toronto since we're championing webrtc. it seems like fate wants at least one of us to go. :-)
  765. # [07:56] <mreavy> it will be a good chance to tell gamedevs that webrtc is coming and it's gonna be way cool.
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  770. # [08:06] <roc> mreavy: thanks
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  776. # [08:09] <mreavy> roc: part of me is jealous of jesup. it's usually lots of fun to talk to and work with gamedevs. :-)
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  781. # [08:17] <Waldo> cookies are delicious delicacies
  782. # [08:17] <Waldo> especially the ones coming out of the oven right now
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  796. # [08:35] <@dolske> ok class, let's review. What color is the ratio of the cookie's circumference to diameter? piiiiiiiiiiiii
  797. # [08:35] <@dolske> *nk
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  799. # [08:37] <Callek> dolske: cookie no have diameter no more, me ate cookie.
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  806. # [08:42] * Waldo smiles
  807. # [08:42] * Waldo noms another cookies, made with VIETNAMESE CINNAMON OH SO MUCH WIN
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  809. # [08:43] <@dolske> Waldo: what kind of cookie? me want to know.
  810. # [08:43] <derf> jesup: Oh, the thing with my friend was that his passport was going to expire soon, no that it had already expired.
  811. # [08:44] <derf> I.e., it's required to be valid for three months when you enter.
  812. # [08:44] <derf> But there is no such requirement when you leave.
  813. # [08:45] <jesup> derf: thanks
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  815. # [08:48] <Waldo> dolske: snickerdoodles
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  817. # [08:48] * @dolske approves. or, at least, good enough for me.
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  820. # [08:54] <Waldo> I c what you did there
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  855. # [10:03] <Ms2ger> Someone give rniwa canconfirm
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  864. # [10:22] <Waldo> Ms2ger: which?
  865. # [10:23] <Ms2ger> rniwa@webkit.org
  866. # [10:23] <Ms2ger> 2.12 + ecma_6/ \
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  869. # [10:23] <Ms2ger> \o/
  870. # [10:23] <Ms2ger> Morning smaug
  871. # [10:24] <Waldo> done
  872. # [10:24] <@smaug> morning
  873. # [10:24] <Waldo> Ms2ger: what's that from?
  874. # [10:24] <Waldo> or am I mis-contextualizing?
  875. # [10:24] <Ms2ger> Your patch to fix NaN in Set
  876. # [10:24] <Waldo> ah
  877. # [10:24] <Ms2ger> I'm behind on commits
  878. # [10:24] <Waldo> stupid patch
  879. # [10:25] <Ms2ger> Heh
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  883. # [10:25] <Waldo> three pushes at that time, and all of them go up in flames for reasons I couldn't have predicted locally (well, the missing-files one maybe, but the others, not as much)
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  885. # [10:27] <Ms2ger> Well, at least there's a warning now
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  887. # [10:27] <Ms2ger> Also, shouldn't the RuntimeFriendFields constructor be protected?
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  891. # [10:28] <Waldo> don't recognize that name in the least
  892. # [10:30] <Ms2ger> It's a JSRuntime superclass for inline functions in jsfriendapi
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  967. # [11:55] <Ms2ger> Merging onto unstarred orange, the two of you?
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  979. # [12:04] <mak> what, the reftest?
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  982. # [12:07] <Ms2ger> And the J
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  985. # [12:08] <mak> 1 out of 2!
  986. # [12:09] <mak> and rm -rf ...' failed doesn't look like a code error, to me
  987. # [12:11] <Ms2ger> I also love how bz_sleep sent that patch to try, hit failures there, and still pushed
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  990. # [12:14] <@smaug> silly question. if I have const char* foo = expr ? something : ""; what is the lifetime of that "";
  991. # [12:15] <Ms2ger> fd.write(" JSBool found = PR_FALSE;\n")
  992. # [12:15] <Ms2ger> \o/
  993. # [12:15] * KaiRo just leaned that bz is Zaphod Beeblebrox - or at least something very close to that
  994. # [12:16] <@smaug> Ms2ger: looks like my code :)
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  996. # [12:16] <Ms2ger> Two-headed?
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  998. # [12:16] <darktrojan> three armed?
  999. # [12:16] <Ms2ger> David's head is, from what I hear, not actually attached to bz's body
  1000. # [12:16] <Ms2ger> smaug, indeed!
  1001. # [12:17] <KaiRo> Ms2ger: more because he can look at the Total Perspective Vortex that "understanding all of Gecko at once" represents
  1002. # [12:17] <darktrojan> heh
  1003. # [12:18] <darktrojan> if bz is zaphod, who is marvin the paranoid android?
  1004. # [12:18] <Ms2ger> darktrojan, don't you talk to me about gecko
  1005. # [12:18] <darktrojan> ok
  1006. # [12:19] * Ms2ger is reminded that smaug was going to cleanup docshell after finishing mutation listeners
  1007. # [12:19] <@smaug> I know I know
  1008. # [12:19] <darktrojan> I don't really want to talk about gecko most of the time anyway
  1009. # [12:19] <Ms2ger> smaug, :)
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  1012. # [12:19] <biesi> smaug: literals live forever
  1013. # [12:20] <Ms2ger> biesi, sounds like I need to become a literal, then
  1014. # [12:20] <biesi> smaug: if it's not a literal, it lives until the end of the statement
  1015. # [12:20] <biesi> Ms2ger++
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  1017. # [12:22] <biesi> Ms2ger, you've just been mentioned @ fosdem :)
  1018. # [12:22] <Ms2ger> With the lovely picture?
  1019. # [12:22] <mak> lol Ms2ger you're so famous
  1020. # [12:22] <biesi> yes!
  1021. # [12:22] <biesi> "probably somewhere in belgium"
  1022. # [12:23] <biesi> "international man of mystery"
  1023. # [12:23] <Ms2ger> Little known fact: that's an actual picture
  1024. # [12:23] <mak> Ms2ger: are you hiding among us?
  1025. # [12:23] * darktrojan forwards it to interpol
  1026. # [12:23] <Ms2ger> mak, nah, too cold
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  1030. # [12:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ccbb41b873cd - ffxbld - Automated blocklist update from host mv-moz2-linux-ix-slave05
  1031. # [12:29] <darktrojan> mak, is there something that should be done to make this more likely to get looked at? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=683071
  1032. # [12:29] <qkaiser>
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  1037. # [12:30] <mak> darktrojan: how much money do you have?
  1038. # [12:30] <darktrojan> heh
  1039. # [12:30] <darktrojan> very little
  1040. # [12:30] <mak> darktrojan: just kidding. no idea... I suppose fixing it may be a good start
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  1043. # [12:31] <mak> maybe you could blog post requesting volunteers to fix it
  1044. # [12:31] <darktrojan> ok, I just saw a list of telemetry stuff today and it wasn't on there
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  1046. # [12:31] <mak> the telemetry stuff was for perf, this is not strictly related to perf
  1047. # [12:31] <Ms2ger> Morning edmorley
  1048. # [12:32] <edmorley> Ms2ger: Good morning :-)
  1049. # [12:33] <darktrojan> mak, I'm not just being ignored then? ;-)
  1050. # [12:33] <Ms2ger> Of course you are
  1051. # [12:33] <darktrojan> :(
  1052. # [12:33] <mak> darktrojan: I'm actually ignoring you :)
  1053. # [12:33] <mak> no I don't think, it's hard to prioritize everything
  1054. # [12:33] <mak> bugds fall in cracks
  1055. # [12:34] <Ms2ger> If you'd been in Brussels with a lot of beer... ;)
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  1057. # [12:34] <mak> really, blogpost saying " I would like this fixed but I have no time" and find developers in the community!
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  1059. # [12:34] <darktrojan> there's things I'd like fixed more
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  1061. # [12:35] <Ms2ger> mrbkap, I disagree, I think JSObject& is clearer
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  1068. # [12:43] <darktrojan> somebody post this to slashdot, stat! http://lawrencemandel.com/2012/02/03/improving-the-firefox-update-experience/
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  1070. # [12:44] <darktrojan> (and wait for bitching about background updaters, version numbers and memory usage)
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  1091. # [13:04] <@smaug> I wish full patches were uploaded to bugs, even if the patch is split to multiple parts to help reviewing.
  1092. # [13:05] <NeilAway> darktrojan: well, that would have to be Ms2ger
  1093. # [13:06] <darktrojan> NeilAway, marvin?
  1094. # [13:06] <NeilAway> darktrojan: well, he has location paranoia ;-)
  1095. # [13:07] <darktrojan> ah, good point. I was thinking more along the lines of philor
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  1104. # [13:12] <salty-horse> can anyone confirm this bug in nightly regarding <form> embedded in <object>? http://jsfiddle.net/xPez6/1/
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  1106. # [13:13] <Ms2ger> salty-horse, what about it?
  1107. # [13:14] <darktrojan> yeesh, it's late
  1108. # [13:14] <Ms2ger> Yeah, 1PM
  1109. # [13:14] <darktrojan> I should stop playing around with planet's CSS and go to bed
  1110. # [13:14] <Ms2ger> Why?
  1111. # [13:15] <salty-horse> Ms2ger, the <object> seems to prevent it from being submittable. not sure if it's "correct" as all other browsers I tested behave differently
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  1113. # [13:16] <darktrojan> only to keep some pretense of normality to my sleep habits
  1114. # [13:16] <Ms2ger> salty-horse, I get an alert on an oldish nightly
  1115. # [13:17] <darktrojan> also, planet could look so much nicer, I need to bug reed about this
  1116. # [13:17] <salty-horse> Ms2ger, which one exactly?
  1117. # [13:17] <@smaug> hmm, I think I'm not opening new tabs linearly, but exponentially
  1118. # [13:17] <salty-horse> I'll try bisecting nightly builds
  1119. # [13:17] <@smaug> how did I get from 60 to 260 so fast
  1120. # [13:17] <hendry> Hi there, what is the name of the XUL elements that shows the page loading? Waiting for... right at the bottom of the browser?
  1121. # [13:17] <@smaug> dao: ^
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  1123. # [13:18] <Ms2ger> salty-horse, cf8c9f9aeefc, Jan 8 or nearby
  1124. # [13:19] <dao> hendry: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/base/content/browser.xul#968
  1125. # [13:20] <salty-horse> Ms2ger, thanks. will look into it
  1126. # [13:20] <Ms2ger> pldhash: for the table at address 0x2ad0edba4500, the given entrySize of 112 probably favors chaining over double hashing.
  1127. # [13:20] <Ms2ger> Does anybody look at that, or should we remove that warning?
  1128. # [13:20] <hendry> thanks dao
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  1142. # [13:32] <salty-horse> Ms2ger, the problem I reported is with extensions, not firefox :)
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  1166. # [13:53] <Ms2ger> Away?
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  1171. # [13:54] <heycam> firebot, uuid?
  1172. # [13:54] <firebot> e8c414c4-dc38-4ba3-ab4e-ec4cbbe22907 (/msg firebot cid for CID form)
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  1180. # [14:07] <heycam> is there a name for urls like about:blank that don't get displayed in the location bar?
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  1184. # [14:10] <mak> does tbpl speed suck only from fosdem or someone else can repro?
  1185. # [14:10] <mak> it was fine a couple hours ago
  1186. # [14:11] <mak> well actually all the mozilla network feels slow
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  1194. # [14:24] <edmorley> lsblakk|afk: autoland for bug 722962 and bug 719288 didn't remove the [autoland-in-queue] once the results were in - perhaps due to it being a 6 hr timeout?
  1195. # [14:26] <mak> edmorley: autoland?
  1196. # [14:28] <Ms2ger> mak, a bot that sends patches to try
  1197. # [14:29] <evilpie> i haven't heard about this before
  1198. # [14:29] <Ms2ger> It's new
  1199. # [14:29] <Ms2ger> lsblakk's blogged about it, I think
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  1201. # [14:32] <mak> I missed the blog post then :(
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  1203. # [14:33] <Ms2ger> http://crashopensource.blogspot.com/2012/02/autolanding-your-patches-to-try-via.html
  1204. # [14:33] <mak> thanks!
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  1230. # [15:00] <@smaug> khuey: flying to San Francisco?
  1231. # [15:01] <@khuey> smaug: yep
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  1235. # [15:04] <@smaug> Enn: did you see my email about the xulproto crash?
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  1245. # [15:18] <@khuey> nice, we crash scrolling lifehacker
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  1251. # [15:25] <Ms2ger> Oh, bug 705430, that's been a while
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  1253. # [15:25] <RyanVM> khuey: So, it appears that disabling the updater is what's breaking PGO for me somehow. At least, a build with the installer and updater both enabled worked fine and a build with the installer enabled and updater disabled didn't work. Doing a build with installer disabled and updater enabled to confirm.
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  1256. # [15:29] <@khuey> RyanVM: that's ... interesting
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  1258. # [15:29] <RyanVM> thankfully, it only broke within the last few days
  1259. # [15:30] <RyanVM> so narrowing down a changeset should be doable
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  1261. # [15:31] <@khuey> ok
  1262. # [15:31] <@khuey> let me know what you find
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  1281. # [15:52] <cers> I seem to remember reading a blog post a while back about the process of implementing a new css property in Firefox, but google isn't being helpful. Anyone happen to know which blog post I might be thinking of?
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  1288. # [15:56] <Ms2ger> cers, I think there's something like that on MDN, dunno about a blog
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  1291. # [15:57] <jfkthame_afk> sounds like the sort of thing dbaron might have written
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  1298. # [16:02] <tomer> We are facing massive crash reports on our community forum. Please help
  1299. # [16:02] <@smaug> tomer: crash id ?
  1300. # [16:03] <@smaug> tomer: and have you filed a bug?
  1301. # [16:04] <tomer> smaug: http://www.mozilla.org.il/board/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=10916&start=15
  1302. # [16:04] <tomer> We have a thread on our site full of crash reports.
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  1304. # [16:05] <tomer> In fact, I got an affected machine from a family member. While I was not able to reproduce it on my own machines, I got one from my uncle in order to resolve this issue.
  1305. # [16:06] <@smaug> network is slow here... still trying to load crash-stats
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  1307. # [16:10] <tomer> There are rumors that this is caused by Greasemonkey. If it is the case, I'd recommend marking it as incompatible on AMO.
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  1309. # [16:10] <@smaug> tomer: could you provide a crash-stat id
  1310. # [16:10] <@smaug> it is hard to copy paste the right part from that rtl text
  1311. # [16:11] <tomer> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-0908dc7e-82ff-43dd-921a-b5af82120201
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  1313. # [16:11] <tomer> triple-click is your friend. ☺
  1314. # [16:11] <Ms2ger> edmorley, thanks
  1315. # [16:12] <@smaug> tomer: thanks
  1316. # [16:12] <edmorley> Ms2ger: np :-)
  1317. # [16:12] <@smaug> tomer: ok, there is a bug open for this
  1318. # [16:12] <@smaug> tomer: it is a startup crash, right?
  1319. # [16:13] <tomer> Depending if you want to call it so.
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  1322. # [16:13] <@smaug> tomer: well, uptime 15s
  1323. # [16:13] <tomer> The browser crash few moments after it show the browser window.
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  1325. # [16:14] <stefanh> hmm
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  1327. # [16:14] <cers> Ms2ger, jfkthame_afk: thanks
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  1330. # [16:14] <@smaug> tomer: yes, the initial cycle collection run happens usually after opening the first window
  1331. # [16:14] <@smaug> tomer: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=724129
  1332. # [16:15] <@smaug> tomer: if you know how to reproduce, please give information in that bug
  1333. # [16:15] <@smaug> as exact as possible
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  1335. # [16:17] <cers> dbaron: ping
  1336. # [16:18] <@dbaron> cers, pong
  1337. # [16:18] <@smaug> tomer: I'm also trying to find which file we're using for XBL caching...
  1338. # [16:19] <@smaug> deleting that from the firefox profile might help with this case
  1339. # [16:20] <cers> dbaron: hey - I'm trying to track down what I remember as a blog post from someone describing the process of implementing a css property in Firefox, and I'm told it sounded like something you would have written - sound familiar?
  1340. # [16:20] <@dbaron> cers, I didn't write it -- there was a really old one by Marc Attinasi that wouldn't be much use anymore
  1341. # [16:20] <@dbaron> cers, and there might be something newer
  1342. # [16:21] <Ms2ger> Heh, that's a name I haven't heard in a while
  1343. # [16:21] <cers> dbaron: I'm having a hard time dating my memory - but I don't think it's more than a year or so ago
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  1346. # [16:23] <tomer> smaug: I get the browser stuck if running safe mode, which mean that it could be some sort of broken cache or something alike.
  1347. # [16:24] <tomer> Okay, not stuck, just taking minutes to refresh the UI.
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  1349. # [16:24] <@smaug> tomer: could you try to delete startupCache/startupCache.* file in the profile, or perhaps better, move it to somewhere else
  1350. # [16:26] <tomer> smaug: no such file or drectory.
  1351. # [16:26] <@smaug> in the profile directory
  1352. # [16:26] <@smaug> hmm
  1353. # [16:27] <tomer> nope.
  1354. # [16:27] <cers> tomer: and this is not on a mac, right?
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  1357. # [16:27] <tomer> Windows machines. We were not able to reproduce on Linux.
  1358. # [16:27] <@smaug> what is it called on non-linux OSes
  1359. # [16:28] <tomer> And the browser responds very slowly given the fact this is only the running application of the machine.
  1360. # [16:28] <cers> I just figured it might be with the rest of cache files on mac, which is located somewhere else than the regular profile
  1361. # [16:28] <@smaug> tomer: do you have anything like startupCache in the profile folder?
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  1363. # [16:29] <tomer> nothing with the name start*.
  1364. # [16:29] <@smaug> hmm
  1365. # [16:29] <@smaug> anything about cache
  1366. # [16:30] <@smaug> and I assume you're looking at the right profile folder ;)
  1367. # [16:30] <tomer> nothing *cache*.
  1368. # [16:31] <tomer> Luckily, they machine has only one profile directory.
  1369. # [16:31] <@smaug> tomer: you're looking at firefox's profile folder, right?
  1370. # [16:34] <tomer> I do.
  1371. # [16:35] <@smaug> hmm, strange profile
  1372. # [16:35] <@smaug> though, I don't recall if profiles are somehow different on Windows
  1373. # [16:36] <@smaug> tomer: so you have basically just sessionstore.* and places.* in the profile folder?
  1374. # [16:36] <@smaug> well, some other files too
  1375. # [16:36] <tomer> and extensions, etc.
  1376. # [16:36] <cers> I just checked, on mac the file isn't in the profile folder either
  1377. # [16:37] <tomer> I think they were right.
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  1379. # [16:37] <@smaug> interesting
  1380. # [16:37] <tomer> I've uninstalled Greasemonkey and it seems to be more stable.
  1381. # [16:37] <cers> on mac, it's in ~/Library/Caches/Firefox/Profiles/*default/
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  1383. # [16:37] <tomer> Now let's reinstall it to see what will happen. ☺
  1384. # [16:37] <cers> (the profile folder being ~/Library/Application\ Support/Firefox/Profiles/*default/)
  1385. # [16:37] <@smaug> tomer: could you add a comment about that to the bug
  1386. # [16:38] <tomer> If this is the case, I'll report. Don't worry.
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  1389. # [16:42] <cers> tomer: if you search your system for a folder called startupCache, do you find any?
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  1394. # [16:43] <@smaug> Enn: ping
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  1408. # [16:58] <@smaug> tomer1: do you still have a profile where the crash happens?
  1409. # [16:58] <@smaug> tomer1: since, I have one idea, and could post a patch to tryserver. perhaps you could try it
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  1429. # [17:16] <tomer> smaug: I've backed it up. I can revert to it if necessary.
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  1431. # [17:16] <tomer> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=724267
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  1450. # [17:28] <NeilAway> smaug/cers/tomer: startup cache is probably in local appdata
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  1481. # [18:02] <tomer> NeilAway smaug cers: The problem disappeared after I "fixed" it and than reverted back to the broken profile. Very weird.
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  1489. # [18:09] <@smaug> tomer: some kind of startupcache corruption could be then one option
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  1491. # [18:09] <@smaug> tomer: do you still have a profile which shows the problem
  1492. # [18:10] <@smaug> tomer: I'm sure qa would be happy to get it for testing
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  1495. # [18:12] <@smaug> hmm, was it so that I can't push from mozilla-release to try?
  1496. # [18:13] <Ms2ger> I think you can, but there's something with pushing relbranches
  1497. # [18:13] <Ms2ger> So you'd need to merge to default first
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  1499. # [18:15] <philor> you'll also have trouble with Android, try not to be shocked
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  1502. # [18:17] <philor> but otherwise, m-r now should be the m-b of last week, and that didn't have any huge differences that made it untryable
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  1522. # [18:36] <Mavericks> hello all
  1523. # [18:36] <Mavericks> what are your thoughts on
  1524. # [18:36] <philor> mescaline, mostly
  1525. # [18:38] <Mavericks> http://mibpaste.com/AcTDQE
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  1527. # [18:38] <Mavericks> @ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/10/android_ice_cream_sandwich/
  1528. # [18:39] <Mavericks> do you agree with the thoughts mentioned @ http://mibpaste.com/AcTDQE ?
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  1547. # [18:57] <@smaug> is tryserver down
  1548. # [18:57] <gandalf> it would be awesome if I could type "make -f client.mk firefox" and it'd run it against .mozconfig-firefox and "make -f client.mk b2g" would run against .mozconfig-b2g
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  1557. # [19:04] <edmorley> gandalf: just stick functions in your .profile along the lines of: build-firefox() { export MOZCONFIG=/c/mozilla/.mozconfig-firefox \n make -f client.mk } etc
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  1559. # [19:05] <philor> sigh. did that edmorley character just push to inbound without having used try, again?
  1560. # [19:06] <edmorley> booo
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  1563. # [19:07] <edmorley> of all the checkin-neededs, that seemed trivial enough
  1564. # [19:07] <edmorley> clearly not
  1565. # [19:07] <sfink> hmm... function build () { MOZCONFIG=$(pwd)/.mozconfig-$1 make -f client.mk } ,maybe?
  1566. # [19:07] <@smaug> or, hmm, perhaps it is tbpl.mozilla.org which I can't access
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  1568. # [19:08] <edmorley> philor: serves me right for breaking my own, "never push checkin-neededs unless you've personally sent it to try, even for trivial changes" rule
  1569. # [19:09] <philor> I got in that state yesterday, from just one computer
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  1572. # [19:11] <philor> edmorley: especially now that sending things to try is sort of fun :)
  1573. # [19:11] <edmorley> yeah true :-)
  1574. # [19:11] <djc> why isn't Aurora updating to 12 yet?
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  1576. # [19:12] <djc> d0h, it is now... I was just wondering why it wasn't in the update channel when the full version was already available for download
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  1586. # [19:16] <@bz_sleep> so I have a question
  1587. # [19:16] <@bz_sleep> how can I tell which compiler is being used to do a build?
  1588. # [19:16] <@bz_sleep> on Windows?
  1589. # [19:16] * @bz_sleep has red, but thought that msvc 2010 would not have that problem....
  1590. # [19:17] * @bz_sleep sees . $topsrcdir/browser/config/mozconfigs/win32/vs2010-mozconfig in his mozconfig...
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  1593. # [19:20] <gw280> bz_sleep: task manager?
  1594. # [19:21] <Ms2ger> How about on try?
  1595. # [19:22] <Ms2ger> Also, morning bz_sleep
  1596. # [19:22] <edmorley> bz_sleep: yeah that should be using msvc2010, given the mozconfig - also "checking bad gcc versions... Microsoft (R) 32-bit C/C++ Optimizing Compiler Version 16.00.30319.01 for 80x86" is msvc2010
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  1599. # [19:25] * Ms2ger is not surprised edmorley knows the context
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  1602. # [19:26] <Ms2ger> After all, edmorley is omniscient
  1603. # [19:26] <edmorley> I thought that was bz :-)
  1604. # [19:27] <Ms2ger> Nah, bz is ZB
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  1613. # [19:38] <edmorley> yuck, flash only content on planet
  1614. # [19:41] <Ms2ger> gerv, congratulations, btw
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  1617. # [19:43] <jlebar> Hm...Firefox is frozen. From gdb, it looks like maybe a deadlock? How do I collect more information?
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  1620. # [19:47] <sfink> I wish I had a good answer, since similar things happen to me a lot. Download symbols and save the output of gstack <pid>?
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  1640. # [20:06] <jlebar> sfink, I managed to get gdb to read the symbols I downloaded. So now I have a good backtrace.
  1641. # [20:06] <jlebar> sfink, But now I'm trying to read data inside the objects...
  1642. # [20:13] <jdm-f00ding> tbpl seems to have starred oranges as I instructed it to, but the comments aren't showing up in bugzilla
  1643. # [20:13] <jdm-f00ding> that's peculiar
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  1651. # [20:21] <Ms2ger> philor, "many" in bug 722617 comment 0 seems to have been too optimistic ;)
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  1655. # [20:22] <philor> Ms2ger: yeah, as I was typing it I was trying to decide whether I felt like it was a funny joke, or not
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  1657. # [20:23] <Ms2ger> jdm, that's a brave new world coming up...
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  1659. # [20:23] <jdm> Ms2ger: yep!
  1660. # [20:24] <jdm> I'm probably going to write a blog post soliciting help once the foundations land
  1661. # [20:24] <Ms2ger> philor, need I remind you how glad I am you're around? :)
  1662. # [20:24] <jdm> bug 723018 means that work on pb-per-window can progress in parallel without breaking anything
  1663. # [20:25] <Ms2ger> + window.getInterface(Ci.nsIWebNavigation)
  1664. # [20:25] <Ms2ger> + .QueryInterface(Ci.nsIDocShellTreeItem)
  1665. # [20:25] <Ms2ger> + .treeOwner
  1666. # [20:25] <Ms2ger> + .QueryInterface(Ci.nsIInterfaceRequestor)
  1667. # [20:25] <Ms2ger> + .getInterface(Ci.nsIXULWindow)
  1668. # [20:25] <Ms2ger> + .docShell.QueryInterface(Ci.nsILoadContext)
  1669. # [20:25] <Ms2ger> Who thought XPCOM was a good idea, again?
  1670. # [20:25] <jdm> haha
  1671. # [20:25] <jdm> yeah, I just cargo-cult that stuff
  1672. # [20:26] <jdm> I don't understand anything I write in front-end land
  1673. # [20:26] <Ms2ger> It sure is nicer than in C++
  1674. # [20:30] <gerv> Ms2ger: Thank you :-)
  1675. # [20:30] <jtcranmer> well, half those things expose nsIClassInfo, IIRC
  1676. # [20:30] <jtcranmer> so you don't need all of those QI's
  1677. # [20:30] <Ms2ger> Something like http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1475101 perhaps
  1678. # [20:31] <jlebar> Hooray for dynamic typing. "This thing might work properly, or you might have to annotate it with explicit QIs. Oh, and if code already QI'ed this object, you don't need to."
  1679. # [20:31] <jlebar> This is *so* much easier than C++.
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  1685. # [20:33] <jlebar> sfink, Do you know how to manually dump a JS stack, or at least get the top frame?
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  1687. # [20:33] <jlebar> sfink, (gdb) call DumpJSStack() is returning nothing.
  1688. # [20:34] <NeilAway> philor/edmorley: so, what's the point of m-i if you have to push to try first anyway?
  1689. # [20:34] <jlebar> NeilAway, When you break m-i, philikon does not come after you with a screwdriver.
  1690. # [20:34] <edmorley> jlebar++
  1691. # [20:34] <philor> NeilAway: you know how if you push to mozilla-central, you personally are absolutely required to star every failure/
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  1693. # [20:34] <philor> ?
  1694. # [20:34] <NeilAway> philor: yes, but edmorley has to do that for m-i anyway?
  1695. # [20:34] * philor ponders whether that might have been a little heavy-handed
  1696. # [20:35] <jlebar> especially since starring a single failure takes 60 seconds.
  1697. # [20:35] * jlebar wishes someone would make our tools not suck.
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  1699. # [20:36] <jlebar> philor, Nobody even looks at the results from their try runs anymore because it takes so f'ing long for tbpl to pull something up.
  1700. # [20:37] <Ms2ger> Nonsense
  1701. # [20:37] <mccr8> I don't star my try runs because I thought that was frowned upon.
  1702. # [20:37] <philor> there are three points: don't fuck up m-c because other trees pull it; don't constantly push stuff to m-c while people are trying to merge other trees to it; here's your lolly for using something different, you do not have to watch the tree after you push
  1703. # [20:37] <philor> jlebar: I think you are massively overestimating that problem
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  1705. # [20:38] <philor> and massively underestimating peoples unwillingness to look no matter what
  1706. # [20:38] <jlebar> philor, Okay, you're right. But suppose everyone *does* do what they're supposed to do.
  1707. # [20:38] <jlebar> philor, At the cost of one minute per orange.
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  1710. # [20:39] <Ms2ger> Half a minute at most
  1711. # [20:39] <Ms2ger> Usually much less
  1712. # [20:39] <edmorley> it still should (/could) be faster
  1713. # [20:39] <jlebar> Sure, 30 seconds. Let's still do the math:
  1714. # [20:39] <philor> if only it was open source
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  1716. # [20:39] <edmorley> :P
  1717. # [20:39] <jlebar> philor, If only I didn't have people making me do other things...
  1718. # [20:40] <jlebar> philor, More to the point, someone is supposed to own this shit.
  1719. # [20:40] <philor> they are?!
  1720. # [20:40] <Ms2ger> Anyway, starring leaks is the only thing that's somewhat annoying
  1721. # [20:40] <edmorley> if only I understood how it worked properly enough to be able to improve it
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  1723. # [20:40] <philor> WHO@??!?
  1724. # [20:40] <edmorley> Ms2ger: indeed
  1725. # [20:40] <philor> I was pretty damn sure we were completely an ophan by now
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  1727. # [20:40] <Ms2ger> Ateam?
  1728. # [20:41] <jlebar> philor, I said someone *should* own it, not that someone *does*. :)
  1729. # [20:41] <Ms2ger> Oh, and bad slaves
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  1731. # [20:41] <edmorley> and absolutely anything to do with Android
  1732. # [20:41] <NeilAway> jtcranmer: I don't think any of those things expose nsIClassInfo
  1733. # [20:41] <edmorley> apart from that, \o/
  1734. # [20:41] <Ms2ger> YES
  1735. # [20:42] * jlebar is just happy for our sheriffs who deal with our shitty software, because he does not have sufficient patience to star even his own builds.
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  1737. # [20:43] <Ms2ger> Don't you love how "buildbot.slave.commands.TimeoutError: command timed out: 2400 seconds without output, killing pid 27287" is bug 686143, while "buildbot.slave.commands.TimeoutError: command timed out: 2400 seconds without output, killing pid 80500" is bug 703194?
  1738. # [20:43] <edmorley> my personal favourite... Fetching summary failed.
  1739. # [20:43] <Ms2ger> Yeah, then it's back to starring like in the tinderbox days
  1740. # [20:43] * merike is now known as merike|away
  1741. # [20:43] <Ms2ger> tbpl++
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  1747. # [20:46] <Ms2ger> Oh, look, and mfinkle has a crashtest crash without a stack
  1748. # [20:46] * @dolske nominates jlebar as owner. All in favor say aye? :)
  1749. # [20:46] <Ms2ger> aye!
  1750. # [20:46] <edmorley> aye
  1751. # [20:46] <@dolske> motion carries.
  1752. # [20:46] <jlebar> :D
  1753. # [20:47] <@dolske> jlebar: why do your tools suck?
  1754. # [20:47] <jlebar> dolske, I guess what's frustrating is that fixing this doesn't seem to be a priority.
  1755. # [20:47] <Ms2ger> And blassey has a Cipc failure
  1756. # [20:47] <jlebar> dolske, We have teams of front-end engineers devoted to our tools...
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  1758. # [20:47] <@dolske> we do?
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  1761. # [20:48] <Ms2ger> Oh?
  1762. # [20:48] <jlebar> dolske, Who manages things like orangefactor?
  1763. # [20:48] <edmorley> ateam
  1764. # [20:48] <Ms2ger> ateam
  1765. # [20:48] <philor> we had absolutely nobody willing to touch Tinderbox, to the point where a widget:cocoa hacker wrote a mashup replacement
  1766. # [20:48] <@dolske> a-team owns _some_ of the tools, but not all.
  1767. # [20:48] <Ms2ger> Along with a hundred other things
  1768. # [20:48] <jlebar> dolske, Why don't they own tbpl?
  1769. # [20:48] <@dolske> there's a lot of unowned stuff, just like in m-c
  1770. # [20:48] <philor> we had absolutely nobody willing to deploy that mashup, to the point where releng just stuck it on allizom
  1771. # [20:49] <Ms2ger> It's like docshell, so all you need to do is convince smaug to fix it :)
  1772. # [20:49] <jlebar> dolske, Sure, but we try to find owners for parts of m-c that we deem important...
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  1774. # [20:49] * Ms2ger sniggers
  1775. # [20:50] <@dolske> I think part of the problem is just that there's no clear ownership framework for various tools to crutch off of.
  1776. # [20:50] <@dolske> even a-team itself is relatively new and small.
  1777. # [20:50] <jlebar> dolske, Which goes back to my original point: That I think tbpl is not given sufficient priority among our myriad pages.
  1778. # [20:50] <Ms2ger> Oh, and looks like edmorley has an unstarred R on yesterday evening's merge
  1779. # [20:51] <philor> Ms2ger: what tree are you on?
  1780. # [20:51] <Ms2ger> m-c
  1781. # [20:51] <philor> oh, that crappy and barely-watched thing
  1782. # [20:51] <Ms2ger> Yeah
  1783. # [20:51] <Ms2ger> It's where I live
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  1785. # [20:52] <@dolske> jlebar: sometimes these things just need someone to own nagging and prodding people to make the changes. I don't disagree with your general point.
  1786. # [20:52] <philor> sorry to hear that ;)
  1787. # [20:52] <Ms2ger> <3
  1788. # [20:52] <jlebar> dolske, I thought Philor owned the Complaining Loudly module.
  1789. # [20:53] <jlebar> philor, Have you been slacking off lately? :)
  1790. # [20:53] <edmorley> too busy stabbing people probably :-)
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  1792. # [20:53] <Ms2ger> Does that sound likely? :)
  1793. # [20:53] <philor> NeilAway: the other, altruistic reason to not push directly to m-c is because the profiling tree shadows it, so you trigger almost twice as many builds and tests with a push to m-c as you do with a push to m-i
  1794. # [20:53] <jlebar> edmorley, Or too busy starring. :D
  1795. # [20:54] <Ms2ger> Wouldn't that be 1.5× as many, as profiling only has opt?
  1796. # [20:54] <philor> depends on which direction of Complaining Loudly, several of them I've just gotten firmly embittered and expect nothing to ever change
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  1798. # [20:55] <philor> yeah, I couldn't be arsed to actually count, there's also the glorious lack of Android there
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  1800. # [20:55] <Ms2ger> \o/
  1801. # [20:55] <Ms2ger> Who wouldn't want to star an Androidless tree?
  1802. # [20:55] <Ms2ger> Everyone except edmorley, apparently
  1803. # [20:56] * Ms2ger makes some tea instead
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  1811. # [21:06] <philor> mmm, GC crashes everywhere
  1812. # [21:06] <Ms2ger> Yeah
  1813. # [21:06] <philor> maybe I won't update to a new build after all
  1814. # [21:07] <Ms2ger> Back at least to yesterday's merge to mc
  1815. # [21:07] <philor> I seem to be four days behind, things were good back in January
  1816. # [21:10] <Ms2ger> When in doubt, blame igor
  1817. # [21:10] <philor> and, yay, browser_homeDrop.js made it 11 pushes before first intermittently failing!
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  1823. # [21:13] <philor> and the fun thing is, when I have actually filed on GC crashes in tests, he and billm have always been very good about working on them
  1824. # [21:14] <philor> but when nobody can be bother to file, and nobody has to file because we just fucking well ignore the tree rules that are too much trouble to be bother to follow...
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  1827. # [21:14] <philor> huh, my "ed" key broke again, that's weird
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  1876. # [22:08] <tn> it's get harder and harder by the day to not post sarcastic comments to bugzilla
  1877. # [22:10] <philor> once you stop resisting temptation, life becomes much more fun
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  1885. # [22:12] <tn> but mine would be more vitriolic and less clever than yours
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  1887. # [22:12] <WG9s> !seen madhava
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  1889. # [22:12] <firebot> madhava was last seen 25 hours, 8 minutes and 32 seconds ago, saying 'good to know' in #mobile.
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  1892. # [22:12] <WG9s> !seen ibarlow
  1893. # [22:12] <firebot> ibarlow was last seen 25 hours, 26 minutes and 15 seconds ago, saying 'mfinkle, sriram, can i try a build of that?' in #mobile.
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  1901. # [22:25] <philor> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=9093442&tree=Mozilla-Inbound - whose mismatched tag is that?
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  1912. # [22:29] <qheaden> Hello everyone.
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  1914. # [22:30] <qheaden> Google just announced Summer of Code 2012. Is Mozilla participating?
  1915. # [22:31] <jtcranmer> I would expect that we likely will, but I have no authority over anything
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  1917. # [22:31] <qheaden> Then gain some authority! :P JK
  1918. # [22:32] <jtcranmer> the proper snark response would be a /kick
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  1920. # [22:32] <qheaden> I have one idea I could propose. But if Mozilla participates, I would need some help thinking of any other ideas, since I don't know what the browser really needs.
  1921. # [22:33] <qheaden> My idea was the ability to convert downloaded images straight from the browser. Like if I download a JPG, the browser should allow you to conver it to a PNG or other format without an external program.
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  1924. # [22:34] <cmr> But WITH an external library, right?
  1925. # [22:34] <cmr> Or no?
  1926. # [22:34] <jtcranmer> we have image decoders, not encoders
  1927. # [22:35] <qheaden> Yeah, with a library. If one doesn't already exist in the browser.
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  1934. # [22:41] <@khuey> jtcranmer: we have image encoders
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  1937. # [22:44] <qheaden> khuey: What part of the code contains the encoders?
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  1941. # [22:48] <@khuey> qheaden: image/encoders
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  1943. # [22:49] <jdm> that sounds like something an addon could do fairly easily
  1944. # [22:50] <@khuey> yep
  1945. # [22:51] <@khuey> everything already exists
  1946. # [22:51] <@khuey> just gotta glue it together
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  1950. # [22:54] <jdm> arrrgh
  1951. # [22:54] <jdm> there are too many layers with xpconnect and proxies involved
  1952. # [22:55] <jdm> I can't figure out the relevant code that happens when you have xpcWrappedNative instanceOf proxy
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  1954. # [22:56] <@khuey> start at XPC_WN_Helper_HasInstance?
  1955. # [22:57] <jdm> maybe I need to figure out what the proxie's get trap returns for prototype
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  1961. # [23:02] <jdm> khuey: I can't even figure out where the HasInstance function it's calling is defined :<
  1962. # [23:02] <jdm> argh
  1963. # [23:02] <jdm> macros
  1964. # [23:02] <jdm> destroy all macros
  1965. # [23:03] <@khuey> jdm: you're gonna love the use of macros in this file
  1966. # [23:03] <@khuey> ah, you already found it
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  1969. # [23:04] <jdm> I get technically looking at the macro definition helped me
  1970. # [23:04] <jdm> but it sure doesn't feel like it
  1971. # [23:04] <jdm> s/get/guess/
  1972. # [23:05] <@khuey> heh
  1973. # [23:05] <philor> well, isn't that special? browser_aboutHome.js sets a snippet that will cause an XML parsing error, to test what will happen then. notice that I didn't say "sets, tests, and unsets".
  1974. # [23:06] <@khuey> jdm: so, it's calling HasInstance on the nsIXPCScriptable* that the wrapper has
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  1977. # [23:06] <@khuey> jdm: do you have a dom object?
  1978. # [23:06] <jdm> khuey: no
  1979. # [23:07] <@khuey> ok, what do you have?
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  1981. # [23:07] <jdm> khuey: I have an object implementing nsILoginInfo
  1982. # [23:07] <jdm> actually I guess it might not be an xpcwrappednative
  1983. # [23:08] <jdm> I think it's implemented by a JS object
  1984. # [23:09] <@khuey> jdm: ok, so you're doing object instanceof Proxy?
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  1986. # [23:09] <jdm> yes
  1987. # [23:09] <@khuey> jdm: so, if I remember how this works, you end up in the hasInstance hook for Proxy
  1988. # [23:09] <@khuey> whatever that is
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  1990. # [23:09] <jdm> makes sense
  1991. # [23:10] <@khuey> perhaps http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/js/src/jsproxy.cpp#1277
  1992. # [23:10] <jdm> except wait
  1993. # [23:10] <@khuey> that looks like it's the jsop
  1994. # [23:10] <jdm> khuey: wouldn't that be for proxy instanceof foo?
  1995. # [23:11] <@khuey> no
  1996. # [23:11] <@khuey> the instanceof hook works the opposite of how you probably expect
  1997. # [23:11] <jdm> D:
  1998. # [23:11] <@khuey> which is why it's called hasInstance
  1999. # [23:12] <jdm> oh
  2000. # [23:12] <jdm> huh
  2001. # [23:12] <@khuey> for A instanceof B
  2002. # [23:12] <@khuey> B.hasInstance gets called
  2003. # [23:12] <@khuey> with A as one of hte args
  2004. # [23:12] <jdm> I follow now
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  2011. # [23:20] <philor> oh, physically
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