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# Session Start: Tue Feb 14 00:00:00 2012
# Session Ident: #developers
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# [00:00] <darktrojan> heh
# [00:00] <jimb> bsmedberg: Oh, I wasn't actually calculating the end addresses, and I didn't notice your carefully computed annotations, so I sort of assumed they all had the same endpoint. Fair enuogh.
# [00:00] <@bsmedberg> jimb: thanks for your help, I've fixed this case now!
# [00:00] <jimb> "velut luna"
# [00:01] <@bsmedberg> next case is two frames down, but I think that's probably the * operator being weird
# [00:01] <@bsmedberg> time to check!
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# [00:01] <RyanVM> where does the code for dromaeo live?
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# [00:03] <cilias> does anyone know if dwitte is the right person to ask to review this patch https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=701322
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# [00:03] <gavin> I can review that patch
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# [00:04] <cilias> it's my first ever :)
# [00:04] <philor> RyanVM: probably in a sekrit repo, #ateam will know, but if it's sekrit they'll act all evasive and like it's after 5 in Eastern time already
# [00:05] * jhammel acts evasive
# [00:05] <jhammel> RyanVM: the talos tests, you mean?
# [00:05] * jhammel isn't aware of any other dromeao
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# [00:05] <jhammel> or even how to spell it, apparently
# [00:05] <RyanVM> yeah, I found them in teh standalone zip
# [00:05] <jhammel> RyanVM: not sure if that is up to date, though maybe good enough for what you want?
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# [00:06] <RyanVM> good enough
# [00:06] * jhammel would advise not using standalone.zip for much anything
# [00:06] <darktrojan> gavin, can you also sr+ https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718255 ? ;-)
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# [00:07] <gavin> darktrojan: sure
# [00:07] <gavin> darktrojan: though I don't think it needs sr, given that bsmedberg reviewed it
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# [00:07] <darktrojan> oh, ok, I'll just land it then
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# [00:08] <gavin> (I marked SR+ just to get in on the action)
# [00:08] <darktrojan> \o/
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# [00:08] <gavin> hey who did all that work a while ago to merge those interfaces?
# [00:09] <gavin> I dunno, but I vaguely recall gavin being involved.
# [00:09] <gavin> That Gavin guy sure is excellent.
# [00:09] <darktrojan> gavin++
# [00:09] <jhammel> lol
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# [00:12] <cilias> gavin: thanks :)
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# [00:13] <jtcranmer> oh good, you're not removing the interface (yet)
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# [00:14] <aja> is that related to prefs in content?
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# [00:14] <gavin> no
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# [00:15] * darktrojan isn't that mad
# [00:16] <darktrojan> bah, bitrot
# [00:16] <darktrojan> how dare you people change things
# [00:16] <jhammel> now darktrojan mad!!!
# [00:16] <darktrojan> I mean
# [00:16] <darktrojan> HOW DARE YOU PEOPLE CHANGE THINGS
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# [00:16] <Callek> darktrojan smash?
# [00:16] <darktrojan> :D
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# [00:17] <Callek> or darktrojan backout?
# [00:17] * darktrojan fix
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# [00:17] <jtcranmer> without that code, how is my vir^H^H^Hmission-critical code supposed to work?
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# [00:50] <sfink> bholley: ping
# [00:50] <bholley> sfink: right behind you
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# [00:52] <darktrojan> what are the magic words to keep a bug open on merge to m-c?
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# [00:53] <aja> orange?
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# [00:53] <mbrubeck> darktrojan: Put [leave open after merge] or similar in the whiteboard.
# [00:53] <mbrubeck> We won't always notice it, but we'll try.
# [00:54] <darktrojan> k, I thought edmorley was working on something with a specific phrase
# [00:54] <MattN> lurking: I moved the bug now. Sorry for the delay, I was in a meeting.
# [00:55] <darktrojan> actually, I don't need to
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# [00:55] <JonathanS> I am wondering why I am seeing no loadgroup notificationCallbacks for <url> in the Mac's system log?
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# [00:57] <JonathanS> Can anyone explains that?
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# [00:58] <philor> You can't explain that!
# [00:58] <JonathanS> philor, lol :)
# [00:59] <JonathanS> philor, it is coming from org.mozilla.nightly
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# [01:03] <hub> mercurial patch queue does not like to be applied to non head?
# [01:04] <hub> *sigh*
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# [01:04] <gavin> that works fine
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# [01:05] <hub> hg qpush
# [01:05] <hub> (working directory not at a head)
# [01:05] <hub> abort: working directory revision is not qtip
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# [01:06] <gavin> that means you already have some patches applied
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# [01:06] <dholbert> or you did "hg up -r [some_old_revision]" before qpushing
# [01:06] <dholbert> I think
# [01:06] <gavin> dholbert: that on its own is perfeclty fine
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# [01:06] <gavin> if you have no patches applied
# [01:06] <dholbert> ah, ok
# [01:07] <dholbert> (applied = hg import'ed ?)
# [01:07] <gavin> you just can't have your patch queue be discontinuous
# [01:07] <hub> I did that yeah
# [01:07] <gavin> (applied = hg qpushed)
# [01:07] <hub> because that's where I want to apply the patches too
# [01:07] <gavin> hg qpo -a
# [01:07] <gavin> then try again!
# [01:07] <hub> weird
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# [01:07] <hub> I thought I had qpopped everything
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# [01:08] <hub> yeah works
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# [01:08] <gavin> a discontinuous patch queue seems like it would be very confusing, so I think it makes sense to disallow it
# [01:08] <gavin> but the error message could be better :/
# [01:08] <hub> minus the "mercurial can't merge" bug
# [01:08] <njn> I'm playing BrowserQuest... how do I move? clicking doesn't do anything
# [01:08] <gavin> njn: I think that's a known bug affecting some people
# [01:08] <Callek> wow: try 1021 / 201
# [01:08] <njn> I can talk, but nothing else
# [01:08] <derf> hg qapplied will give you the list of what's applied, too.
# [01:08] <Callek> is it a busy day or is something really wrong?
# [01:08] <njn> gavin: awesome
# [01:08] <derf> So you don't have to guess.
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# [01:08] <@dolske> yeah, sometimes you just get stuck, reload works and your state is saved
# [01:08] <Callek> :Total 1737 / 772
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# [01:13] <darktrojan> Callek, seems pretty busy today, maybe we've moved to a 2 week cycle?
# [01:13] <Callek> heh
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# [01:13] <@dolske> speaking of browser quest, what the the last 2 secret acheivements?
# [01:13] <Callek> well happy to see that level of churn, just surprised at it
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# [01:14] <bwinton> dolske: What are the two you
# [01:14] <bwinton> D'oh. What's the one you got?
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# [01:14] <Callek> dolske: is there a public url for an active instance of https://github.com/mozilla/BrowserQuest
# [01:14] <@dolske> no
# [01:14] <Callek> also noting that its apparantly not continued there
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# [05:30] * Topic is 'm-c: CLOSED m-i: OPEN || Next aurora uplift: 13th March || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
# [05:30] * Set by philor on Tue Feb 14 04:03:55
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# [05:30] <philor> bjacob: do you really really like conformance/more/conformance/quickCheckAPI-B1.html?
# [05:30] <bjacob> philor: what about it?
# [05:31] <bjacob> philor: if it's intermittent, we need to fix it
# [05:31] <philor> bjacob: it's the new cause of bug 704010, where the slave crashes, fails to reboot, has Dr. Watson running, and thus fails a talos run if that's what happens next
# [05:31] <bjacob> hm
# [05:32] <bjacob> i think i know what this is
# [05:32] <bjacob> this test fuzzes functions that allocate webgl buffers
# [05:32] <bjacob> i guess it creates a OOM
# [05:32] <bjacob> file a bug please and make it block webgl-conformance
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# [05:33] <philor> sure, lemme just star these 20 remaining unstarred failures on mozilla-central that are the reason I've closed the tree
# [05:33] <bjacob> what??
# [05:33] <bjacob> when did that start?
# [05:33] <philor> then I'll file a bug with absolutely no knowledge of what I'm filing
# [05:33] <philor> WE FUCKING SUCK
# [05:33] <philor> last Friday
# [05:33] <bjacob> any specific cset?
# [05:33] <philor> sorry, I may be just ever so slightly angered by this
# [05:34] <philor> EVERY GOD DAMNED ONE
# [05:34] <philor> no, not your thing failing every time
# [05:34] <bjacob> actually, this test doesn't do what i thought it does, so i dont know why it'd cause trouble
# [05:34] <philor> just we don't bother to star
# [05:34] <bjacob> what cset regressed it??
# [05:35] <philor> your thing has maybe been five or six times, in the last week or so, most of them ignored, so no idea
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# [05:35] <philor> Windows mochitest-1, you can look better than I can, since my connection is a phone with one bar
# [05:36] <philor> they'll be purple, and unstarred
# [05:36] <bjacob> i'm looking at mozilla-central and most pushes are green on windows m1
# [05:36] <bjacob> what tree?
# [05:36] <philor> inbound, last week
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# [05:36] <philor> m-c last week, too, I think, but I look at it less
# [05:36] <bjacob> windows m1 green on inbound too
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# [05:37] <bjacob> this must be very intermittent, right?
# [05:37] <philor> sorry I confused you
# [05:37] <philor> this is not happening every push
# [05:37] <bjacob> oh ok
# [05:37] <philor> five or six times over the last week
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# [05:37] <bjacob> so how is this related to tree closure?
# [05:37] <philor> it's not
# [05:37] <philor> my anger is
# [05:37] <philor> and my unwillingness to file a bug for you
# [05:38] <philor> I know that's something that we do, that we've always done, whoever says something has to file the bug, but right now, I'm just not going to
# [05:38] <bjacob> if you give me a tbpl link with the orange, i'll file the bug
# [05:38] <philor> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704010#c355
# [05:38] <philor> and 366
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# [05:42] <bjacob> philor: filed, cc'd, blocked
# [05:42] <philor> thank you!
# [05:43] <bjacob> np, sorry for frustration. might be caused by last webgl tests sync
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# [05:43] <philor> I wondered, but that test itself hasn't been touched in forever, has it?
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# [05:44] <bjacob> it relies on other JS files that do the real work, and also, the log suggests it might well be B2, not B1, that's causing trouble
# [05:44] <bjacob> that would make a ton more sense (see my first hypothesis)
# [05:44] <bjacob> as B2 contains the buffer-allocating stuff
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# [05:44] <philor> well, and since it may be from starving Python for memory, it may be the cumulative effect
# [05:44] <njn> is |nsCOMPtr<nsIURI>| identical to |nsIURI*| in terms of memory layout? AFAICT it is
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# [05:47] <jtcranmer> I don't like the tone of that question
# [05:49] <@bz> njn: yes
# [05:49] <njn> bz: thx
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# [05:54] <@dolske> is it? the comptr must have a few extra bits for the refcounting, no? or is that all in the xpcom interface it wrapps?
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# [05:55] <jtcranmer> dolske: refcount happens via nsISupports
# [05:56] <jtcranmer> don't you know anything about xpcom? :-P
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# [05:56] * @dolske just has teh dum tonight
# [05:56] <jlebar> njn would like a lesson on this-pointer adjustment, and I'm doing a bad job.
# [05:57] <@dolske> nsisupports handles the counter, and nscomptr just does the decrementing upon out-of-scope?
# [05:57] <jtcranmer> dolske: and incrementing
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# [05:57] <biesi> the counter is in the implementation, not in nsISupports itself
# [05:57] <@dolske> right
# [05:57] <jlebar> You only need to do this-pointer adjustment when you have multiple-inheritance?
# [05:58] <jtcranmer> or virtual base classes
# [05:59] <jlebar> jtcranmer, Because with single-inheritance, the more-specific class's members just go after the less-specific one's.
# [05:59] <njn> jlebar: I seem to be getting away without doing this-pointer adjustment when QI isn't involved
# [05:59] <jlebar> njn, Well, when you have MI, you need dynamic_cast, which we call QI.
# [06:00] <jtcranmer> jlebar: the compiler automatically does it
# [06:00] <jtcranmer> by inserting thunks into the vtable
# [06:00] <jlebar> jtcranmer, correct.
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# [06:01] <jlebar> njn, I think the bottom-line is, if you don't have MI, |this| doesn't change as you move around the inheritance tree. If you do have MI, |this| does change.
# [06:02] <jlebar> njn, But the pointer which was malloc()'ed should always be the |this| of the most specific class, right jtcranmer?
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# [06:02] <njn> jlebar: even with MI, it seems like |this| doesn't change unless you do QI
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# [06:04] <jlebar> njn, try http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1484018
# [06:04] <jtcranmer> jlebar: the pointer points to the beginning of the object
# [06:05] <jlebar> jtcranmer, Good.
# [06:05] <jtcranmer> so
# [06:05] <jtcranmer> when you're within a class's implementation
# [06:05] <jtcranmer> this always points to the same location
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# [06:05] <jtcranmer> however, when building the vtable
# [06:06] <jtcranmer> you need to insert the thunk methods
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# [06:07] <jtcranmer> http://sourcery.mentor.com/public/cxx-abi/abi.html describes what really happens
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# [06:08] <@bz_sleep> njn: ping?
# [06:08] <@bz_sleep> njn: I can explain this pointer stuff...
# [06:08] <njn> bz_sleep: pong
# [06:08] <@bz_sleep> njn: if it's still being confusing
# [06:08] <jlebar> bz_sleep can explain it in his sleep.
# [06:08] <@bz_sleep> er |this| pointer stuf
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# [06:08] <@bz> or something
# [06:08] <njn> bz_sleep: please do
# [06:08] <@bz> ok
# [06:09] <@bz> Ignoring virtual inheritance for now...
# [06:09] <@bz> say you have |class A : public B, public C|
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# [06:09] <@bz> What does the actual memory layout look like?
# [06:09] <@bz> The answer is that you have the members of B, then the members of C, then the members of A
# [06:09] <jtcranmer> I could do it with a whiteboard
# [06:09] <@bz> agreed?
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# [06:10] <njn> bz: I believe you :)
# [06:10] <@bz> ok
# [06:10] <@bz> so let's take that as an axiom
# [06:10] <@bz> That in memory you have members of B, then members of C, then members of A
# [06:10] <njn> yep
# [06:10] <@bz> now say a method of B is called
# [06:10] <@dolske> (this isn't math! it's programming! err, wait. :)
# [06:11] <@bz> This is a class method
# [06:11] * philor changes topic to 'm-c: OPEN m-i: OPEN || Next aurora uplift: 13th March || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
# [06:11] <@bz> which means it's one sequence of instructions that needs to work for all instances of B
# [06:11] <@bz> whether those actually happen to be a B or an A, or some other subclass of B
# [06:11] <njn> yep
# [06:11] <@bz> to make that work, the first argument to the method (the this pointer) is set to point to the start of B's members
# [06:12] <@bz> when calling the method
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# [06:12] <@roc> it's no fun unless you consider virtual inheritance
# [06:12] <@bz> roc: shh
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# [06:12] <@bz> roc: I'd have to look up exactly how that works if I were to consider it. ;)
# [06:13] <@bz> njn: so if you have a B*, you by definition need a pointer pointing to B's first member
# [06:13] * @bz is including vtables under "members"
# [06:13] <@bz> njn: Same thing for C
# [06:13] <@bz> njn: if you have a C*, you have to have a pointer to the first member of C
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# [06:13] <@bz> njn: Now say you in fact have an A*
# [06:13] <jtcranmer> bz: actually, vtables make virtual bases easy; the hard part is finding the location of the virtual base table in A
# [06:14] <@bz> njn: A is a subclass of both B and C
# [06:14] <@bz> njn: so you can call B and C methods on it
# [06:14] <@bz> njn: but inside those methods it has to look like you're operating on a B or a C respectively
# [06:15] <@bz> njn: so A->Bmethod1() would make sure to pass the pointer to B's members inside A as the first argument
# [06:15] <@bz> njn: and A->Cmethod1() would pass the pointer to C's members
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# [06:16] <@bz> njn: once you unwind all the syntax sugar and actually look at what the machine instructions look like
# [06:16] <@bz> njn: and in general, casting an A* to a B* would add some constant which is the offset of the members of B inside an instance of A
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# [06:16] <@bz> njn: that applies to passing an A* as an argument to a function taking a B*, not just to member calls
# [06:17] <njn> bz: so In my code I have |size_t B::SizeOf() { return moz_malloc_usable_size(this); }|
# [06:17] * @bz really hopes he's actually answering the question that was asked....
# [06:17] <njn> and it gets interesting because moz_malloc_usable_size really wants a pointer to the start of a heap block
# [06:17] <@bz> njn: indeed
# [06:17] <@bz> njn: that will work right if B is a final class
# [06:18] <@bz> njn: if it's not final, then it starts depending on exactly how things inherit from it
# [06:18] <njn> bz: if I have |class C : public B|
# [06:18] <njn> and |C| doesn't provide its own version of |SizeOf()|
# [06:18] <jtcranmer> njn: that code would work only if B would be part of the "primary base class"
# [06:18] <jtcranmer> in that, given the concrete class I that the object actually implements
# [06:19] <@bz> njn: then it will work, unless C has a vtable and B does not
# [06:19] <@bz> njn: as I understand things
# [06:19] <jtcranmer> B is the first base class of the first base class of ... the first base class of I
# [06:19] <@bz> njn: but if you had |class C : public A, public B| then it would not work
# [06:19] <njn> bz, jtcranmer: would you mind looking at https://wiki.mozilla.org/Memory_Reporting#An_Example_Involving_Inheritance ?
# [06:20] <njn> esp. the 3rd bullet point
# [06:20] <@bz> njn: and if you had |class C : public B, public A| then it would work
# [06:20] * @bz looks
# [06:21] <@bz> That claim is correct
# [06:21] <njn> bz: but when multiple inheritance is involved it might not be?
# [06:22] <jtcranmer> it would still be called
# [06:22] <@bz> njn: well, the statement in bullet 3 would still be correct
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# [06:22] <@bz> njn: But the aMallocSizeOf(this) call would do the wrong thing
# [06:22] <@bz> njn: possibly
# [06:22] <jtcranmer> the C++ spec guarantees that the virtual function in the most derived class is the one that is called
# [06:22] <@bz> njn: depending on the exact shape of the inheritance hierarchy
# [06:22] <jlebar> njn, In general, you should never call B::SizeOfIncludingThis on a D object.
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# [06:23] * @bz is not sure what jlebar meant there
# [06:23] * njn neither
# [06:23] <jlebar> I mean, if you have B* obj = new D();
# [06:23] <@bz> oh, I see
# [06:23] * @bz missed the "B::" part
# [06:23] <jlebar> and you do obj->SizeOfIncludingThis(), the code that gets run is obviously D::SizeOfIncludingThis.
# [06:23] <jlebar> But also,
# [06:24] <jlebar> You should never explicitly call B::SizeOfIncludingThis, because that might cause us to crash.
# [06:24] <njn> how would I call it explicitly?
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# [06:24] <jlebar> "B::SizeOfIncludingThis()"
# [06:24] <njn> obj->B::SizeOfIncludingThis()?
# [06:24] <@bz> yes
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# [06:24] <@bz> if you do that, you get what you asked for
# [06:24] <@bz> no virtual dispatch
# [06:24] <njn> well, I'm not planning on doing that
# [06:24] <njn> :)
# [06:25] * @bz notes that jlebar assumed a virtual SizeOfIncludingThis somewhere here
# [06:25] <jlebar> But you do "size_t n = B::SizeOfExcludingThis(aMallocSizeOf);", which is the same idea, but safe in this case.
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# [06:25] <jlebar> bz, Right, going off njn's example in the wiki.
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# [06:25] <@bz> ok
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# [06:25] <@bz> so the short of it is...
# [06:26] <@bz> the safe thing is to require that SizeOfIncludingThis be NS_OVERRIDE
# [06:26] <@bz> er, NS_MUST_OVERRIDE
# [06:26] <njn> yep
# [06:26] <jtcranmer> you can't guarantee that this points to the beginning of the block
# [06:26] <@bz> well, sure
# [06:26] <jtcranmer> especially if you rely on what appears to be an empty-base-class optimization
# [06:26] <jlebar> jtcranmer, Right, but if every class in the chain overrides SizeOfIncludingThis, then you're OK.
# [06:27] <@bz> I mean....
# [06:27] <@bz> you really can't guarantee anything
# [06:27] <jtcranmer> jlebar: yes
# [06:27] <njn> bz: but you end up with a lot of identical functions with NS_MUST_OVERRIDE
# [06:27] <@bz> but in practice, a most-derived object allocated with |new|
# [06:27] <@bz> njn: yeah
# [06:27] <@bz> njn: thinking about how to avoid that....
# [06:27] <njn> bz: and you can avoid it in the simple cases, but maybe not in the harder (MI) cases
# [06:28] <jlebar> njn, Do you need to implement SizeOfIncludingThis everywhere? Can you leave it pure-virtual on some objects?
# [06:28] <@bz> jtcranmer: I would be surprised of the spec actually requires that |new Foo()| necessarily return a pointer to the start of a new malloc'd block
# [06:28] <njn> jlebar: sometimes it's not necessary, but often it is
# [06:29] <jlebar> njn, In the case when you're inheriting from a non-abstract class, I'm not sure there's a better thing than re-implementing the virtual method.
# [06:29] <jtcranmer> bz: I doubt it does
# [06:29] <@bz> jtcranmer: and of course any time placement new is involved all bets are off
# [06:29] <jtcranmer> sizeof(*this) should return the correct result in the most-derived class
# [06:29] <jlebar> njn, The class inherited from doesn't know it's being inherited from, unless maybe we us a QI trick.
# [06:30] <@bz> yes
# [06:30] <@bz> but we're not trying to measure that
# [06:30] <@bz> precisely because it's not the size we care about
# [06:30] <jlebar> bz, Can we QI to the pointer to the most-derived class?
# [06:30] <njn> jlebar: in my example, if B is non-abstract, are you recommending I implement D::SizeOfINcludingThis()?
# [06:30] <jlebar> njn, Yes.
# [06:30] <@bz> jlebar: if this is an isupports object, yes
# [06:31] <@bz> jlebar: but there can be multiple most-derived classes, no?
# [06:31] <njn> jlebar: I had that until recently, and then mounir said it wasn't necessary and I agreed and took it out :/
# [06:31] <jlebar> njn, And if B is abstract, I'd definitely recommend *not* implementing SizeOfIncludingThis.
# [06:31] <njn> jlebar: sure, in that case it can be pure virtual
# [06:31] <jlebar> njn, Yes.
# [06:31] <njn> jlebar: B::SizeOfIncludingThis, that is
# [06:31] <@bz> in fact, even if B is not abstract _yet_ but in practice we never instantiate it....
# [06:31] <@bz> we can make it pure virtual on that class
# [06:32] <njn> well, in my example I reinstated SizeOfIncludingThis() in the derived classes and DMD is no longer complaining about the |this| pointers
# [06:32] <njn> which I figure is progress
# [06:32] <jlebar> bz, There must be the one class which was instantiated with new()... Maybe that's the "least-derived" class. Whatever it is, it's that one we want a pointer to, and if we can get it via QI, then we don't need to have multiple reimplementations of SizeOfIncludingThis.
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# [06:32] <@bz> sure
# [06:32] <jlebar> bz, Is that the pointer you get when you QI to nsISupports?
# [06:32] <@bz> jlebar: my point was that if you implement nsGenericElement::SizeOfIncludingThis
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# [06:33] <jtcranmer> jlebar: possibly, but we don't guarantee that
# [06:33] <@bz> jlebar: then what are you going to QI to? There are lots of subclasses
# [06:33] <@bz> jlebar: the pointer you get when you QI to nsISupports is arbitrary
# [06:33] <jlebar> jtcranmer, That's waht I was afraid of.
# [06:33] <njn> maybe you guys should check out my patches in bug 723799
# [06:33] <@bz> jlebar: it could be off on a tearoff!
# [06:33] <@bz> jlebar: (slightly nuts, but possible)
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# [06:33] <jtcranmer> (we say you have to pick one nsISupports, and I suspect the vast majority of cases could be so, but I don't want to rely on it being the case)
# [06:34] * jlebar does not want to think about tearoffs at this time of night.
# [06:34] <@bz> heh
# [06:34] <@bz> in any case
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# [06:34] <@bz> we have objects whose COM-canonical nsISupports is not the C++ primary base class nsISupports
# [06:34] <@bz> nsGlobalWindow for example
# [06:35] <@bz> njn: looking
# [06:35] <philor> [@ nsStyleFont::Destroy] - CSS or Layout?
# [06:35] <@bz> philor: CSS
# [06:35] <philor> thx
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# [06:35] <@bz> o
# [06:35] <@bz> er, ok
# [06:35] <@bz> so
# [06:35] <@bz> njn: The very special case of nsINode subclasses is special
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# [06:36] <@bz> njn: for subclasses of nsINode we guarantee that nsINode is the primary base clas
# [06:36] <@bz> njn: so that casting from nsINode to any subclass of nsINode is a no-op in machine instruction terms
# [06:37] <@bz> njn: our DOM bindings depend on this property, in fact
# [06:37] <njn> bz: I think that patch deals entirely with sub-classes of nsINode
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# [06:37] <@bz> ok
# [06:37] <@bz> in that case having a single SizeOfIncludingThis on nsINode is enough
# [06:38] <@bz> not because it's enough in general but because subclasses of nsINode promise to play nice
# [06:38] <njn> bz: I do the same thing with nsIDocument::DocSizeOfIncludingThis
# [06:38] <njn> bz: is that valid?
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# [06:39] <njn> bz: maybe I should get you to review the combined patches once mounir has r+'d the 2nd one
# [06:39] * @bz whimpers
# [06:39] <@bz> I can do that
# [06:39] * njn clearly missed the "here be dragons" signs
# [06:39] <njn> bz: even a skim-review would be good :)
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# [06:40] <@bz> yeah
# [06:40] <@bz> Like I said, I can do that
# [06:40] <@bz> fwiw
# [06:40] <@bz> there is only one subclass of nsIDocument
# [06:40] <@bz> that's nsDocument
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# [06:40] <@bz> this has two subclasses: nsHTMLDocument and nsXMLDocument
# [06:40] <@bz> both having it as primary base class
# [06:40] <@bz> nsXMLDocument has nsXULDocument as subclass
# [06:41] <@bz> still good there
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# [06:41] <@bz> and nsSVGDocument
# [06:41] <@bz> that one is fine too
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# [06:41] * njn missed nsXMLDocument and nsSVGDocument, sigh
# [06:41] <@bz> nsHTMLDocument has MediaDocument as subclass
# [06:42] <@bz> which has VideoDocument, ImageDocument, PluginDocument
# [06:42] <@bz> all these are fine too
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# [06:42] * njn missed them all too
# [06:42] <@bz> those are leaves
# [06:42] <@bz> so yeah |this| on nsIDocument will do sane things
# [06:42] <njn> bz: good
# [06:43] <@bz> if we really care...
# [06:43] <njn> bz: lucky static analysis isn't running, all those NS_MUST_OVERRIDE annotations would be going crazy
# [06:43] <@bz> we could add asserts to that effect, right?
# [06:43] <njn> what would the assert look like?
# [06:43] <@bz> nsXMLDocument::nsXMLDocument() {
# [06:44] * jlebar goes to bed. Thanks for helping, bz.
# [06:44] <njn> jlebar: thanks for your help too!
# [06:44] <@bz> MOZ_ASSERT((void*)this == (void*)(nsIDocument*)this);
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# [06:47] <@bz> You need the explicit void* casts to avoid the compiler doing type coercion for you
# [06:47] <@bz> class A {int a;};
# [06:47] <@bz> class B {int b;};
# [06:47] <@bz> class C : public A, public B{
# [06:47] <@bz> public:
# [06:47] <@bz> C() {
# [06:47] <@bz> printf("%d %d %d %d\n", this == (A*)this, this == (B*)this, (void*)this == (void*)(A*)this, (void*)this == (void*)(B*)this);
# [06:47] <@bz> }
# [06:47] <@bz> };
# [06:47] <@bz> int main() {C c;}
# [06:48] <@bz> Prints "1 1 1 0"
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# [06:50] <@bz> njn: so...
# [06:51] <@bz> njn: Looking at your string changes
# [06:51] <@bz> njn: you there?
# [06:52] <njn> bz: oh, yep
# [06:52] <@bz> njn: trying to figure out what you're seeing with strings
# [06:53] <njn> ok
# [06:53] <@bz> njn: so your patch does:
# [06:53] <@bz> + return (mFlags & F_OWNED) ? mallocSizeOf(mData) : 0;
# [06:54] <@bz> so even if you end up in that code with a readonly F_SHARED string it won't get measured
# [06:54] <njn> bz:urhg
# [06:54] <njn> that's old code that I forgot to change
# [06:54] <@bz> ok
# [06:54] <njn> blargh
# [06:54] <njn> sorry
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# [06:54] <@bz> my question was whether there was something else saying that we don't have any F_SHARED non-readonly strings
# [06:54] <@bz> or whether it was based on DMD results
# [06:55] <njn> bz: well, I was always getting 0 from this function
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# [06:55] <@bz> ah
# [06:55] <njn> but obviuosly the function is crap
# [06:55] <@bz> ok, then!
# [06:55] <@bz> let's fix the function and see the numbers
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# [06:55] <njn> I'll try again tomorrow, hopefully it'll be better :)
# [06:55] <njn> thanks for all your help
# [06:55] <@bz> no problem
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# [06:55] <@bz> the rest of the patch looks fine
# [06:55] <@bz> insofar as I can tell such things at 1am
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# [06:56] <@bz> g'night, all
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# [08:10] <hendry> Hi there, is there a site I can use for SSL related tests with Firefox? Want to check I can't access site with bad SSL cert for e.g.
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# [08:13] <mbrubeck> hendry: Hmm, https://mozilla.org/ (without "www.") used to have a bad cert, but I guess they fixed that. :/
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# [08:30] <Peng> hendry: It's not an official test thing or anything, but https://sand.mozilla.org:6697/ and the other IRC servers have a hostname mismatch.
# [08:30] <Peng> hendry: Not something to put in a unit test, but if you're just messing around on the command line it'd work.
# [08:31] <Peng> Although it also prompted me for a client-side cert. That's new.
# [08:34] <jdm> can anybody explain this regex behaviour? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1484060
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# [08:36] <glob> jdm, your first regex expects a single non-underscore character at the start of the string, before "user"
# [08:36] <glob> jdm, which you don't have
# [08:36] <jdm> that makes sense
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# [10:13] <hendry> thanks btw Peng
# [10:14] <hendry> I'm aware one can customise netError.xhtml, but what is the white page that's used when Firefox is attempting to load something?
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# [10:16] <@roc> it's the real document, with painting suppressed
# [10:17] <@roc> if you experiment with a very slow-loading document with a background color, it will be that color
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# [10:20] <hendry> roc: can I override it to black?
# [10:20] <@roc> in an extension?
# [10:20] <@roc> you can try setting the default background color in prefs
# [10:20] <hendry> roc: yes, that would neatest i think
# [10:20] <@roc> that will set it for pages that don't have their own background color
# [10:20] <@roc> it will, of course, set the backgrounds of those pages to black
# [10:20] <@roc> or whatever
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# [10:21] <@roc> I can't think of a way to do more than that
# [10:21] <hendry> roc: hmm, isse
# [10:21] <hendry> roc: hmm, i SEE
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# [10:29] <hendry> roc: sometimes FF can stay a really long time on this "white screen" I'm referring to, in a network error.
# [10:29] <hendry> I prefer it to just hit netError
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# [10:31] <glazou> bonjour
# [10:34] <Ms2ger> Morning
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# [10:45] <espindola> trying a patch to enable us to switch to clang causes an ICE on gcc 4.2 :-(
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# [11:12] <nigelb> 36
# [11:14] <darktrojan> I should be writing these down and buying lottery tickets or something
# [11:15] <espindola> ehsan_xchat, anything wrong with https://github.com/mozilla/mozilla-central?
# [11:15] <hendry> is there some URL to see what's the latest release? I think it was 10.1, but couldn't find the release notes
# [11:16] <darktrojan> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/
# [11:16] <mauke> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/10.0.1/releasenotes/
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# [11:18] <Ms2ger> darktrojan, nah, 36 is just next year's version number :)
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# [11:33] <NeilAway> bah, tld transfers are a nightmare
# [11:35] <hendry> thanks darktrojan & mauke
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# [11:47] <hendry> How can I disable "A script on this page may be busy"? Can quite suss out http://kb.mozillazine.org/Unresponsive_Script_Warning
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# [12:53] <espindola> ted, thanks for taking care of 721160!
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# [12:56] <Ms2ger> khuey++
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# [13:11] <Ms2ger> mounir++
# [13:12] <mounir> Ms2ger: yw
# [13:12] <Ms2ger> :)
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# [13:21] <@ted> espindola: thank smichaud, i just pointed him in the right direction
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# [13:23] <espindola> does our irc bot has "tell" command? (or a manual :-) )
# [13:23] <@ted> firebot?
# [13:23] <firebot> ted?
# [13:23] <@ted> you can /msg firebot help
# [13:23] <@ted> i think
# [13:24] <@ted> firebot: tell espindola about ted
# [13:24] <firebot> ted: told espindola
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# [13:24] <espindola> firebot, tell smichaud: thanks for taking care of 721160!
# [13:25] <firebot> espindola: Sorry, I've no idea what 'tell smichaud: thanks for taking care of 721160' might be.
# [13:25] <espindola> firebot: tell smichaud thanks for taking care of 721160!
# [13:25] <firebot> espindola: Sorry, I've no idea what 'tell smichaud thanks for taking care of 721160' might be.
# [13:25] <reuben> he doesn't have a "schedule message" thing, no
# [13:25] <espindola> ah, thanks
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# [13:27] <firebot> yay
# [13:28] <@ted> smichaud would be here if he was on irc, presumably
# [13:28] <@ted> you could just email him :)
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# [13:32] <bhearsum|afk> is the "version" attribute on firefox.exe (the one that shows up in the Properties dialog) something we control, or does the compiler/linker make it up somehow?
# [13:32] <bhearsum|afk> in particular, the 4th part of it
# [13:34] <@ted> we control it
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# [13:34] <@ted> the 4th part is "days since january 1st, 2000"
# [13:34] <bhearsum|afk> aaaah
# [13:34] <bhearsum|afk> ok, that makes sense
# [13:34] <@ted> made up to be an arbitrarily increasing number
# [13:35] <bhearsum|afk> someone on the Enterprise list has been using it to distinguish between ESR and Release. worked for 10.0, because we built on different days, but not for 10.0.1.
# [13:35] <@ted> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/config/version_win.pl#48
# [13:35] <@ted> that's absurd
# [13:35] <bhearsum|afk> to use it to distinguish?
# [13:35] <@ted> but people will do silly things
# [13:35] <@ted> yes
# [13:35] <bhearsum|afk> yeah
# [13:36] <bhearsum|afk> i'm telling him to use application.ini
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# [13:39] <bhearsum|afk> thanks ted!
# [13:39] <@ted> np
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# [14:34] <mak> Standard8: can you reproduce locally those test_annos_expire_session.js failures?
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# [14:53] <doktor5000> hi guys, can someone please confirm that TB 3.1.18 is definitely not affected by http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2012/mfsa2012-10.html / CVE-2012-0452
# [14:54] <gcp> "Firefox 9 and earlier are not affected"
# [14:55] <doktor5000> gcp: yes, i've read that, just wanted a confirmation, as it's not really specific, IMHO
# [14:56] <gcp> It appears to be a bug at the platform/XBL level, and if Firefox 9 is not affected, must have been introduced between 9 and 10, so long before TB 3.x.
# [14:56] <Standard8> doktor5000: we always check which branches are affected
# [14:56] <Standard8> and the regressions point
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# [14:56] <gcp> I can't see the bug so I can't say more.
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# [14:59] <doktor5000> gcp: me neither
# [15:00] <Pike> doktor5000: I don't think there'll be much more info on a public channel until the bug is opened
# [15:00] <@smaug> doktor5000: that bug was certainly introduced after FF9
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# [15:01] <doktor5000> ok guys, that's enough information for me, thanks :)
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# [15:03] <Standard8> mak: no (although I'm on Mac), but I do have access to a try server and some of the builders that are seeing this issue
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# [15:03] <mak> Standard8: ok, will then attach a patch for you to try
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# [15:17] <mak> Standard8: patch in bug
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# [15:25] <NeilAway> espindola: memoserv works for registered nicks
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# [15:29] <Standard8> mak: thanks, pushed
# [15:29] <Standard8> we'll see what happens
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# [15:53] <ttaubert> smaug: I've been running irccloud for some time now in an app tab again and my cc times are ~400-700ms.
# [15:53] <@smaug> ttaubert: have you reloaded the page?
# [15:53] <@smaug> or have you used find
# [15:53] <ttaubert> yes, multiple times
# [15:53] <ttaubert> find?
# [15:53] <@smaug> there is a know problem with websocket
# [15:54] <@smaug> and there is a known problem with find
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# [15:54] <@smaug> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=669845#c43
# [15:54] <ttaubert> oh, no. I never use the quick search bar
# [15:55] <decoder> i have a strange bug here
# [15:55] <decoder> already encountered it twice now
# [15:55] <decoder> i have firefox open
# [15:55] <@smaug> Bug 725804 and bug 696085 are about websocket
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# [15:55] <decoder> then I start a skype call
# [15:56] <decoder> then whole box freezes, starts swapping
# [15:56] <decoder> turns our firefox is swapping like hell
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# [15:56] <@smaug> decoder: using lots of memory?
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# [15:56] <decoder> smaug: yea, but it's hard to see how much with all being swapped
# [15:56] <Standard8> huh
# [15:57] <Standard8> Telemetry.cpp:113:18: error: use of undeclared identifier 'EnumerateEntries'
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# [15:58] <ttaubert> smaug: thx for the bug numbers
# [15:58] <@smaug> ttaubert: I'm just fixing Bug 725804
# [15:58] <@smaug> ttaubert: you could kick someone to fix bug 696085 ;)
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# [16:00] <ttaubert> hm :)
# [16:00] <Standard8> ah got it
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# [16:00] <@smaug> ttaubert: oh, that sounds like *you* want to fix it!
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# [16:01] <ttaubert> smaug: omg. that's not quite my area.
# [16:01] <@smaug> ttaubert: in general, on this machine if I get non-(un)load related CC times higher than 15ms, I know that something is leaking, at least temporarily
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# [16:02] <jlebar> smaug, So https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=669845#c43 causes long CC times because *any* zombie compartment causes a CC blowup?
# [16:02] <ttaubert> it's a leak detecting machine
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# [16:04] <@smaug> jlebar: not any. If something, like Find, which CC doesn't know anything about, keeps stuff alive, CC can't optimize out the objects from the graph
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# [16:04] <jlebar> smaug, So when chrome JS holds onto an element or a document, causing a zombie, CC times blow up?
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# [16:05] <@smaug> I wouldn't expect that
# [16:05] <@smaug> CC knows about js
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# [16:05] <jlebar> smaug, Okay, it's specifically about how the nsIFind implementation works?
# [16:05] <@smaug> yeah
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# [16:05] <jlebar> smaug, Cool; thanks.
# [16:05] <@smaug> jlebar: XHR/WebSocket etc have kind of similar problem
# [16:06] <@smaug> something outside keeps stuff alive
# [16:06] <@smaug> in those cases Necko
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# [16:06] <jlebar> smaug, (I ask because I want to understand how bad extension zombies are. Sounds like you're saying, not so bad.)
# [16:06] <@smaug> I *think* autocomplete may have similar problem
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# [16:07] <@smaug> jlebar: I would imagine that they used to be bad
# [16:08] <@smaug> but nowadays we can propagate blackness to new areas, so JS->some_zombie_dom shouldn't be a problem anymore
# [16:08] <jlebar> cool.
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# [16:11] <irving> Is there a straightforward way, from Javascript, to add a new locale binding to a running gecko? Trying to fix a test that's sensitive to underlying OS locale, fails when OS locale isn't in its test-specific chrome manifest
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# [16:13] <Pike> irving: which test? (and maybe yes, maybe no)
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# [16:13] <irving> Pike: bug 557024
# [16:14] <espindola> ehsan, git://github.com/mozilla/mozilla-central.git is not updating, known problem?
# [16:14] <Pike> irving: is that the matchOS test?
# [16:14] <irving> Pike: yes
# [16:16] <@ehsan> espindola: let me check
# [16:16] <espindola> thanks!
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# [16:20] <@ehsan> espindola: corrupted hg repo (yay!)
# [16:21] <Pike> irving: commented in the bug
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# [16:24] <Pike> irving: if my theory fails on the root cause for that test failure, you might want to look at what restartless addons do to register and unregister chrome
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# [16:29] <espindola> ehsan, !
# [16:30] <irving> Pike: thanks. The code itself didn't look too wrong to me, aside from some concern about how we should behave if the OS locale isn't in the manifest.
# [16:32] <Pike> irving: also, IIRC, it passes if you're french, go figure who wrote the test :-)
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# [16:34] <irving> Pike: side effect of one of the test cases using fr-FR so that it's in the test manifest
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# [16:36] <Pike> yeah, de is in there, too, IIRC, and fails
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# [16:38] <irving> Pike: Noticed that as soon as I wrote the above. Need to clean up the test a bit more to figure out if it's the test or the code...
# [16:39] <irving> vingtetun: ping
# [16:39] <vingtetun> irving: pong
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# [16:41] <irving> vingtetun: I'm looking at the matchOS test failure (bug 557024, see backscroll). It's assigned to you right now, do you have any work in progress?
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# [16:41] <vingtetun> irving: nope, feel free to take it!
# [16:41] <irving> vingtetun: OK, thanks
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# [16:42] <@smaug> toolkit/components/telemetry/Telemetry.cpp:113:18: error: use of undeclared identifier 'EnumerateEntries'
# [16:42] <froydnj> smaug: bug 727081
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# [16:44] <@smaug> thanks
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# [16:57] <Standard8> is there a document somewhere on setting up feature branches?
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# [16:58] <jdm> Standard8: https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReleaseEngineering/DisposableProjectBranches
# [16:58] <Standard8> jdm: thanks
# [16:59] <Pike> Standard8: also https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReleaseEngineering:ProjectBranchPlanning in case that other one doesn't link back
# [17:03] <chrisccoulson> hi paul, you around?
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# [17:18] <AryehGregor> If I got r+ and then there was a test failure on the try server, should I set r+ again on the same patch with the failing test fixed, without asking?
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# [17:18] <AryehGregor> (I assume so, but I want to check before I do)
# [17:19] <mounir> AryehGregor: depends on what it took you to fix the failure
# [17:19] <AryehGregor> s/0pt/0px/ on one line. :)
# [17:19] <mounir> AryehGregor: I woud just push the patch with that fix
# [17:19] <mounir> *would
# [17:19] <AryehGregor> Okay.
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# [17:20] <AryehGregor> When I get random orange and tbpl gives me the bug, should I tell it to post a comment?
# [17:20] <AryehGregor> This one has 393 already . . . is it helpful to post more?
# [17:20] <mounir> AryehGregor: yes, you should
# [17:20] <AryehGregor> Okay. Why?
# [17:21] <mounir> AryehGregor: we keep track of orange frequency
# [17:21] <mounir> and it will mark the orange has marked
# [17:21] <AryehGregor> Okay.
# [17:21] <mounir> starred, even
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# [17:22] <AryehGregor> Why does no one disable these tests?
# [17:22] <mounir> AryehGregor: we disable them sometimes
# [17:22] <mounir> we prefer to fix them
# [17:22] <@ted> disabling tests is a possible solution, but it sucks
# [17:23] <@ted> if we disable a test, and then someone introduces, say, a crash into the code the test exercises
# [17:23] <@ted> now we don't catch that
# [17:23] <philor> no, we don't prefer to fix them
# [17:23] <AryehGregor> Well, you can run the test but ignore the result, like marking a reftest as random.
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# [17:23] <@ted> yes, that's a better solution
# [17:23] <philor> we prefer to leave them running because we'd rather know when we go from intermittent to constant
# [17:23] <@ted> but we don't have that in non-reftest harnesses
# [17:23] <philor> and if you mark it as random, it is *gone*
# [17:24] * AryehGregor has gotten random orange from a reftest where the associated bug had 600+ comments
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# [17:24] <@ted> philor: mm, true
# [17:24] <AryehGregor> Well, okay.
# [17:24] <philor> nobody ever opens up 10 logs from 10 pushes and counts whether the random-if things were actually random
# [17:24] <@ted> we probably need better tooling for that
# [17:24] <AryehGregor> It should be pretty easy to keep stats on that, no?
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# [17:26] <nemo> http://m8y.org/images/temp.png - file a new bug? (graphics card specific it seems - only happens on my windows machine, not my linux one)
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# [17:30] <froydnj> if I have a test that consistently fails on try, but passes on my local machine, is my only recourse to use try as a printf-debug service?
# [17:30] <Callek> froydnj: you *can* request to get loaned a try machine to diagnose for the relevant platform
# [17:31] <Callek> froydnj: (you'd vnc or ssh or both, etc.)
# [17:31] <nemo> Callek: can't just give him an image of a try machine? :)
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# [17:31] <Callek> nemo: many of the try machines are all physical hardware, so images won't translate well to a VM
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# [17:31] <Callek> besides it could be related to that specific hardware stack
# [17:32] <nemo> Callek: depends on the bug I guess, and the OS. .. yeah
# [17:32] <nemo> my linux machine I'm using right now has hopped happily from VM to physical many times
# [17:32] <froydnj> what are the win opt machines? xp? or vista?
# [17:32] <nemo> I've gotten windows to do that only with great difficulty (drivers and spoofing system settings or cracking it)
# [17:32] <philor> win is 7, winxp is xp
# [17:33] <philor> and the builders are server 2k3
# [17:33] <froydnj> bizarre
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# [17:36] <Callek> froydnj: if you need to borrow a slave, file a bug in mozilla.org::Release Engineering -- give all specifics, what OS, why, etc.
# [17:37] <philor> and a shutdown hang *with* a stack is not "No longer getting stacks"
# [17:37] <froydnj> Callek: ok, thanks!
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# [17:39] <armenzg_buildduty> thanks espindola
# [17:40] <espindola> armenzg_buildduty, thank you for finding this case
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# [18:06] <ddahl> what NS_IMPL_ISUPPORT macro should I use if the C++ class does not have a corresponding XPCOM interface - or will be consumed by another class that implements a similar interface?
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# [18:10] <@bz> ddahl: if it has no XPCOM interface, why do you need to impl isupports at all?
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# [18:27] <krit> mattwoodrow|away: ping
# [18:28] <AryehGregor> mattwoodrow|away, does your r+ still hold for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=724614 with the fails-if(Android)? I'm not totally sure, based on comment 17.
# [18:28] <jlebar|mac> josh: Are there bugs on youtube continuing to play when forced into bfcache?
# [18:28] <jlebar|mac> josh: I got it to happen once, trying to reproduce...
# [18:29] <josh> jlebar|mac: on trunk?
# [18:29] <jlebar|mac> josh: yes.
# [18:29] <josh> jlebar|mac: I haven't heard of that, but it's probably easy to fix if you can repro
# [18:29] <jlebar|mac> josh: It seems that if I go back very soon after the video starts to load, I get at least 10s of extra sound.
# [18:29] <jlebar|mac> Okay, I'll file a bug.
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# [18:30] <krit> AryehGregor: maybe you can help me as well. Where is the TransformationMatrix code (expecially decomposing code) located in the mozilla code?
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# [18:32] <AryehGregor> krit, I'm not the best person to ask, but a good starting point might be gfx/thebes/gfxMatrix.{h,cpp} and gfx/thebes/gfx3DMatrix.{h,cpp}.
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# [18:33] <krit> AryehGregor: thanks
# [18:33] <AryehGregor> krit, I've only just started finding my way around, though. I've found that a good strategy is to search for resolved bugs that are relevant, and then look at what files the patches there touch.
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# [18:35] <krit> AryehGregor: good strategy :)
# [18:35] <krit> AryehGregor: does Mozilla support transitions and animations on 3D transforms?
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# [18:36] <AryehGregor> krit, I'm pretty sure it does, yes. I haven't tested.
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# [18:37] <AryehGregor> krit, important bugs: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=435293 (initial transforms support), https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=505115 (initial 3D transform support)
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# [18:41] <jlebar|mac> …and now I can't get it to happen again. Awesome.
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# [18:45] <gaston> swweeeet, 11.0b1 depends on an unreleased version of nspr, as usual
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# [18:45] <ddahl> bz: Ok, so I am thinking about this all wrong but I blame it on this "vtable" error I keep getting: "/usr/bin/ld.bfd.real: libxul.so: hidden symbol `vtable for nsDOMCryptInternalAPI' isn't defined" which I was seeing. When I removed NS_DECL_ISUPPORTS from the header, I get this error: error: class nsDOMCryptInternalAPIKeyPair has no member named AddRef - perhaps my class should inherit from another base class?
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# [18:46] <jhammel> hmmm, twice today firefox has lost my session
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# [18:47] <jhammel> hmmmm, and its reproducible
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# [18:48] <@khuey> ddahl: you can get the vtable error when you don't implement all of the virtual functions on the class
# [18:48] <gaston> oh and it also depends on an unreleased nss version
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# [18:48] <joe> Waldo: is "i am as high as a kite" a reference that went over my head?
# [18:48] <gaston> so nice.
# [18:49] <Waldo> joe: http://daringfireball.net/2007/02/macrovision_translation
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# [18:50] <Waldo> joe: not exactly high literature to be sure, but for some reason pithy enough to stick with me
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# [18:50] <joe> hah
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# [18:50] <joe> it's true that he's an apple apologist, but he's also reliably pithy
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# [18:51] <lurking> jhammel: this ? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=690374
# [18:51] <Waldo> he definitely goes overboard often enough, but there's enough perceptiveness that he's worth reading occasionally
# [18:51] <@khuey> apologist is a bit of an understatement for gruber
# [18:51] * Waldo doesn't really follow tech pundits much, except when someone else link-drops
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# [18:51] <joe> khuey: trying to keep it family-friendly
# [18:51] <jhammel> lurking: nope
# [18:51] <lurking> k
# [18:51] <@khuey> joe: ha
# [18:52] <Waldo> jhammel: chuck testa?
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# [18:52] <jhammel> Waldo: no entiendo?
# [18:52] <gaston> anyone knows where to find tracking bug for final nspr 4.9.0 / nss 3.13.2 ?
# [18:53] <ddahl> khuey: can you implement all of the virtual functions via subclassing? some other macro?
# [18:53] <jhammel> bsmedberg: ping
# [18:53] <gaston> i think there's 713936 for nss, cant find the nspr one
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# [18:54] <@khuey> ddahl: can you post a patch somewhere I can look at?
# [18:54] <krit> AryehGregor: I still couldn't find the decompose code. When is mattwoodrow|away arround usally?
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# [18:54] <@bz> er
# [18:54] <ddahl> khuey: sure
# [18:54] <AryehGregor> krit, I dunno.
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# [18:54] <@bz> navigator.buildID exposes the actual build ID? :(
# [18:55] <@bz> khuey: ping
# [18:55] <jhammel> bsmedberg: jmaher said you'd be the person to ask; do you know why talos installs pageloader in appdir/distribution/bundles vs profile/extensions ?
# [18:55] <jhammel> i am inclined to use profile/extensions unless there is a good reason not to
# [18:55] <@bsmedberg> jhammel: not for certain, no, but distribution bundles aren't extensions so they aren't affected by compatibility checking or anything like that
# [18:55] <@bsmedberg> so bundles sounds like the better place for them
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# [18:55] <krit> AryehGregor: k
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# [18:56] <jhammel> bsmedberg: would you be opposed to profile/extensions in the case that we disable compatability checking?
# [18:57] <@bsmedberg> Why do you want to do this?
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# [18:57] <@bsmedberg> Extensions are just complicated, so I don't recommend it unless you need it for some reason
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# [18:57] <jhammel> i'd mostly just prefer not to litter the application directory if we can avoid it
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# [18:58] <jhammel> we're also not currently installing it correctly
# [18:58] <@bsmedberg> That doesn't sound like a compelling reason to change what is currently working...
# [18:58] <jhammel> so in any case something needs to be done
# [18:58] <@bsmedberg> what's incorrect?
# [18:58] <jhammel> we unzip the new xpi over what is there
# [18:59] <jhammel> so if there is anything in the old xpi that shouldn't be there and can have adverse effects we do not clean it up
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# [19:03] <@bz> hmm
# [19:03] <@bz> Glenn Adams is the CSSOM editor now?
# [19:03] * @bz wonders
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# [19:03] <@khuey> _the_ Glenn Adams?
# [19:03] <@bz> @skynav
# [19:03] <@bz> yes
# [19:04] <@khuey> how the hell was that allowed to happen
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# [19:04] <@bz> dunno
# [19:04] <@bz> Anne used to edit it
# [19:04] <@bz> then bailed
# [19:04] <@bz> so now...
# [19:04] <@bz> "Shane Stephens (Google) and myself are now the active editors on both CSSOM specs, and are preparing the next EDs. So stay tuned."
# [19:04] <@bz> so it happened by him volunteering
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# [19:05] <@khuey> fun
# [19:05] <@stuart> glad that is how standards get created
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# [19:06] <Standard8> hmm, would we prefer a clang bustage fix patch to go to inbound or central first?
# [19:06] <Waldo> probably inbound
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# [19:06] <Waldo> can't think why it should go to central first
# [19:06] <Standard8> oh heh
# [19:06] <Waldo> unless someone can suggest a good reason
# [19:06] <Standard8> someone landed it for me
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# [19:07] <Standard8> Waldo: because developers who use clang are busted?
# [19:07] <Waldo> then again, my position is everything should land on inbound, and only trees should merge to central
# [19:07] <Waldo> Standard8: only ones developing against inbound, or against inbound and central both?
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# [19:07] <@bz> sharing a picasa album requires viewers to sign up for google+
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# [19:07] <@khuey> just wait until searching requires you to sign up for google+ :-P
# [19:08] <Waldo> ain't integration great?
# [19:08] <@bz> khuey: heh
# [19:08] <Standard8> Waldo: I think most develop against central, but in this case, its already landed on inbound, so it doesn't matter that much now
# [19:08] <@bz> khuey: searching is my business; people sending me links to photos I can't control
# [19:08] <mwu> developing against m-i is insane
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# [19:09] <ddahl> khuey: here is the class and header: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1484251
# [19:09] <mwu> well, that's the new tracemonkey for you
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# [19:10] <@khuey> ddahl: ok ...
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# [19:10] <@khuey> ddahl: why is NS_DECL_ISUPPORTS commented out?
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# [19:11] <hurley> does anyone know offhand if there's any kind of guarantee that sizeof(PRBool) == sizeof(bool)?
# [19:11] <hurley> i assume there isn't, but would like a more definite answer if anyone knows :)
# [19:11] <Waldo> hurley: no
# [19:11] <@khuey> hurley: no, there's not
# [19:11] <hurley> didn't think so. do we know for a fact that they differ on at least some platforms?
# [19:11] <Waldo> yes
# [19:12] <@khuey> yes
# [19:12] <Waldo> JINX
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# [19:12] <hurley> it's like there's an echo in here :)
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# [19:12] <Waldo> C++ makes no ABI guarantee about bool
# [19:12] <hurley> ok, that was the answer i was assuming, but kind of hoping against. thanks guys!
# [19:13] <hurley> hrm, so sizeof(bool) could conceivably change between compiler versions
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# [19:13] <@khuey> yes
# [19:13] <hurley> makes my situation even crappier, damn!
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# [19:13] <mwu> practically, it's 1 on all our supported platforms and probably won't change
# [19:13] <@khuey> right
# [19:13] <ddahl> khuey: I was trying a few things...
# [19:13] <@khuey> heh
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# [19:14] <Waldo> glandium: \o/
# [19:14] <hurley> mwu: right, but i don't necessarily want to rely on that practicality when we're reading/writing bools to disk
# [19:15] <ddahl> khuey: I guess I am unsure how to just produce a C++ class - should I be using a some other base class to handle all of the expected methods, etc?
# [19:15] <mwu> hurley: also, even if they were the same size, you wouldn't want to treat them the same
# [19:15] <ddahl> khuey: this was easier when it was part of nsNSSComponent, but that class is so polluted now. We do not want any XPCOM in PSM where possible
# [19:16] <ddahl> khuey: I will add an XPCOM interface inside of dom/
# [19:16] <mwu> since bool makes guarantees that PRBool doesn't
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# [19:17] <@bz> hurley: sizeof(bool) can change on the same compiler version too; some compilers have command-line options for the size it should be
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# [19:17] <@khuey> ddahl: generally, you create an interface
# [19:17] <@khuey> ddahl: write a C++ class that inherits from that interface
# [19:17] <hurley> mwu: yeah, i didn't think they should've been treated the same anyway
# [19:17] <@khuey> ddahl: and then implement the various methods on that C++ class
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# [19:17] <@khuey> ddahl: some with macros (e.g. the nsISupports methods)
# [19:17] <@khuey> ddahl: and some by hand (whatever the interesting stuff is)
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# [19:18] <hurley> bz: oh joy, hopefully we don't go changing that flag willy-nilly (until we stop doing dumb things like writing C++ bools to disk)
# [19:18] <ddahl> khuey: so what I am hearing is that there is always an idl and xpcom interface
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# [19:18] <mwu> hurley: using another bool type for stuff that goes to disk is good in case the data gets corrupted and doesn't just contain 1 or 0
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# [19:19] <@ehsan> espindola: btw the repo should be updated now
# [19:19] <@khuey> ddahl: if you want to make something that's exposed to the DOM, yes
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# [19:19] <ddahl> khuey: the PSM bits will not be directly exposed - I will write another wrapper class and create a simpler idl for that
# [19:19] <rnewman> anyone seeing an error in inbound, mfbt/Assertions.cpp ?
# [19:19] <hurley> mwu: indeed. sadly, i didn't write the code, this might be fallout from the PRBool->bool conversion
# [19:20] <mwu> mm
# [19:21] <@khuey> ddahl: maybe
# [19:21] <@khuey> that's up to you
# [19:21] <@khuey> and hte psm people
# [19:21] <mwu> hurley: in mozilla code or yours?
# [19:21] <ddahl> khuey: this InternalAPI is only ever used as a C++ class - at least that is the intent
# [19:21] <Waldo> rnewman: what error?
# [19:21] <ddahl> khuey: my reviewer sez: 'No more xpcom in psm'
# [19:22] <mwu> we wrote a tool to verify parts of the PRBool->bool conversion
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# [19:22] <hurley> mwu: the disk cache (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727097)
# [19:22] <mwu> ahh
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# [19:22] <@khuey> ddahl: ok, you need to talk to your reviewer then
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# [19:22] <nemo> So. the animation artifacts from http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/Soccer_ball_animated.svg that shows up on my windows machine...
# [19:22] <@khuey> cause you will need xpcom at some point to expose stuff to the dom
# [19:22] <nemo> http://m8y.org/images/temp.png
# [19:22] <hurley> it might not be PRBool->bool related, but it sure seems likely to me
# [19:22] <nemo> is that sort of thing known or should I file a bug?
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# [19:22] <ddahl> khuey: right - that part will live in dom/ and be another class + idl/xpcom
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# [19:23] <rnewman> Waldo: http://rnewman.pastebin.mozilla.org/1484258
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# [19:23] <ddahl> khuey: this internal API should be as free from xpcom as possible
# [19:23] <rnewman> happened some time in the last 40 commits, I think
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# [19:23] <mwu> hmmm
# [19:24] <@khuey> ddahl: that's doable
# [19:24] <@khuey> ddahl: various CSSOM things work that way already
# [19:24] <cers> nemo: was that second url supposed to show the artifacts?
# [19:25] <nemo> cers: uhoh
# [19:25] <nemo> lolol
# [19:25] <nemo> cers: my bad
# [19:25] <nemo> hm. where did I put it then...
# [19:26] <nemo> cers: http://m8y.org/tmp/temp.png <- there
# [19:26] <nemo> I fail at temp URLs
# [19:26] <Waldo> rnewman: probably bug 717540, but is there really no error message there, just a bare Error 1?
# [19:26] <cers> nemo: hehe, I was tilting my monitor back and forth for a while trying to see any artifacts, but failing miserably :-P
# [19:26] <Waldo> glandium: /o\ (?), ^
# [19:26] <nemo> cers: no, I'm not into furries - that piece of art was an example of a particular artist's skill, who was applying for a job, and was a commission piece
# [19:27] <cers> nemo: hmm.. I definitely don't se that in my nightly on os x
# [19:27] <nemo> cers: it is fine on my linux machine too
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# [19:27] <rnewman> Waldo: correct
# [19:27] <rnewman> I just clobbered my tree, and it fails immediately right there
# [19:27] <Waldo> boo-urns
# [19:27] <nemo> only windows machine is effed up. but it has a sucky graphics card driver that can't even do webgl right, so related mebbe
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# [19:28] <ddahl> khuey: perhaps this is failing becasue I need to descend from nsNSSShutdown?
# [19:28] <rnewman> Waldo: :(
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# [19:28] <Waldo> rnewman: what's different between your environment and tinderbox, if anything?
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# [19:28] * Waldo is not exactly grasping at straws, just exploring possibilities given that he has no ability to debug/test himself
# [19:29] <Waldo> and to a fair extent that sort of build junk is not my forte anyway
# [19:29] <cers> nemo: never heard of that, nor did a quick bugzilla search turn up anything - if I were you, I'd file a bug..
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# [19:29] <rnewman> well, ccache (shouldn't apply here), JDK version might differ, Android NDK should be the same or very similar
# [19:29] <cers> nemo: even if it's a double, someone will just mark is as that
# [19:30] <rnewman> will file
# [19:30] <espindola> ehsan, awesome. Thanks!
# [19:30] <nemo> cers: aight
# [19:30] <Waldo> thanks
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# [19:30] <Waldo> hopefully we can fix things quickly
# [19:30] <nemo> cers: oh. interesting. stable is fine...
# [19:30] <rnewman> ohhhh:
# [19:30] <rnewman> /Users/rnewman/moz/android/android-ndk-r6/platforms/android-8/arch-arm/usr/include/sys/types.h:121: error: 'uint32_t' does not name a type
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# [19:31] <rnewman> /Users/rnewman/moz/android/android-ndk-r6/platforms/android-8/arch-arm/usr/include/asm-generic/siginfo.h:58: warning: ISO C++ forbids zero-size array '_pad'
# [19:31] <rnewman> did someone just turn on warnings-as-errors?
# [19:31] <Waldo> ooh, data!
# [19:31] <Waldo> now we can try SCIENCE
# [19:31] <rnewman> Bug 727141
# [19:32] <Waldo> w-a-e is a directory thing, don't think it's been turned on recently in that bugwork
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# [19:32] <nemo> cers: ooooh. and it works in a clean profile. ahhah...
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# [19:33] <cers> nemo: interesting
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# [19:33] <cers> nemo: what about in safe mode in your normal profile?
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# [19:34] <nemo> cers: I'm trying that now :)
# [19:34] <nemo> cers: also closing a bunch of tabs
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# [19:34] <Waldo> rnewman: try #include <stdio.h> in mfbt/Assertions.cpp rather than <cstdio>, and <stdlib.h> rather than <cstdlib>?
# [19:35] <nemo> you know. doubleclick on a tab group to make a new tab would be cooler if it made the tab in that tab group
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# [19:35] <rnewman> Waldo: will try
# [19:35] <Waldo> that said, I'm still not sure why it's complaining there, but that seems a reasonable guess
# [19:36] <Waldo> and I hear the Android toolchain is made of crack, so it's not implausible
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# [19:36] <rnewman> nope
# [19:36] <Waldo> same error messages?
# [19:36] <rnewman> same error, now via stdio.h
# [19:36] <Waldo> hmm
# [19:36] <rnewman> types.h apparently missing some types
# [19:37] <Waldo> rnewman: just for clarity, mind pastebinning the <std*.h> errors?
# [19:37] <rnewman> sure
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# [19:38] <rnewman> http://rnewman.pastebin.mozilla.org/1484272
# [19:38] * Waldo wonders if there's a way to tell gcc-like compilers to dump their .ii text for a translation unit
# [19:38] <nemo> cers: happens in safe mode too. and I've read and reread modified prefs and don't see anything to explain it
# [19:39] <nemo> cers: I guess I can bisect. but. ugh :(
# [19:39] <rnewman> http://www.ogre3d.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=65343
# [19:39] <cers> nemo: the odd thing is that it works in a clean profile
# [19:39] <froydnj> Waldo: -save-temps?
# [19:40] <nemo> cers: AHAHAHAHA
# [19:40] <nemo> cers: checkout the size.
# [19:40] <nemo> cers: hit ctrl-+ a few times on wikipedia :D
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# [19:40] <nemo> cers: like 6 or 7 times :)
# [19:40] <nemo> man. I closed like 50 tabs :(
# [19:40] * nemo weeps
# [19:40] <cers> nemo: yeah, I see it too then
# [19:41] <nemo> hm. I have no idea if that's a bug or not :D
# [19:41] <nemo> cers: I must have been zooming some SVGs on wikipedia earlier
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# [19:42] <Waldo> rnewman: what's the content of objdir/mfbt/Assertions.ii if you try building with CFLAGS=-save-temps (assuming this does the trick)?
# [19:42] <Waldo> froydnj: plausible, let's see how easy it is to inject that here
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# [19:42] <rnewman> Waldo: backout of https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/raw-rev/71d144fbd53e seems to work, btw
# [19:43] * Waldo 's only experience with .ii files is in debugging clang crashes, but Assertions.cpp is small enough that maybe it won't be horrible
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# [19:44] <rnewman> Waldo: no .ii files at all
# [19:44] <rnewman> only Makefile
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# [19:44] <Waldo> hm
# [19:44] <cers> nemo: still a bug though, so better file it
# [19:44] <Waldo> rnewman: make Assertions.i, then, maybe
# [19:44] <nemo> cers: oh. it is? I wasn't sure. aight.
# [19:45] <cers> nemo: I can't imagine that to be the expected outcome of zooming
# [19:45] <rnewman> http://people.mozilla.com/~rnewman/bugs/Assertions.i
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# [19:46] <biesi> Waldo, make -C mfbt Assertions.i should work, btw
# [19:46] <biesi> oh
# [19:46] <biesi> nvm :)
# [19:47] <Waldo> I guess I'm just confused on the difference between .i and .ii files :-)
# [19:47] <nemo> hm. SVG or Graphics... *ponders* eh. Graphics I guess.
# [19:47] <sfink> It's the same as the difference between .iii and .iv files, isn't it?
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# [19:48] <Waldo> rnewman: okay, that's interesting
# [19:48] <cers> nemo: if you happen to have another browser at hand to test in too, that might be useful
# [19:49] <nemo> cers: I have tons of 'em, since this is my test box :)
# [19:49] <Waldo> the #include "mozilla/StdInt.h" includes the right thing, then inside it we hit the #include <stdint.h> line
# [19:49] <Waldo> then that *recurs*
# [19:49] <rnewman> Waldo: is this a "we should back out" kind of interesting?
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# [19:49] <Waldo> not sure
# [19:49] <nemo> cers: hm. no artifacts in my Windows Vista VM...
# [19:49] <rnewman> sriram reported that the build is busted for him, too
# [19:49] <cers> nemo: in nightly when zoomed?
# [19:49] <Waldo> we include that file lots of places, so the question is why the other places work, but this particular one wouldn't
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# [19:50] <rnewman> let me see if my build with a backout works
# [19:50] <Waldo> rnewman: is it normal for Android headers to be case-insensitive?
# [19:50] <rnewman> (in progress)
# [19:50] <rnewman> Waldo: I'm on HFS+
# [19:50] <rnewman> it's case-insensitive case-preserving
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# [19:51] <Waldo> gag gag gag
# [19:51] * Waldo looks at the command line again to see how include ordering's set up
# [19:51] <nemo> cers: oh. yeah. was just nightly. stable and FF9 are fine
# [19:51] <rnewman> sriram is on Mac, too
# [19:52] <cers> nemo: I see
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# [19:52] <Waldo> yeah, I think I'm expecting that -- rather, that it's on a case-insensitive-ish system
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# [19:52] <nemo> chrome nightly is fine. actually the animation is a lot smoother
# [19:52] <nemo> hm. maybe not. n/m
# [19:52] <nemo> VM stuttering
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# [19:53] <cers> nemo: the animation is entirely smooth for me in nightly on os x
# [19:53] <nemo> ah. no tearing in nightly on VM.
# [19:53] <nemo> er. artifacts. whatever.
# [19:53] <Waldo> rnewman: I think probably we should back out, I can't think of much way to get around -I. appearing before -I/usr/include/ :-(
# [19:54] <Waldo> the "fix" might mean renaming mozilla/StdInt.h possibly, which is not the sort of thing that's best done hastily to fix bustage, if that's what it were to come to
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# [19:54] <rnewman> aye
# [19:55] <rnewman> backout build seems to be running fine
# [19:55] <rnewman> we're up to /intl/
# [19:55] <Waldo> if you got past mfbt/, you're good
# [19:55] <Waldo> that directory only contains built stuff with that revision
# [19:55] <Waldo> probably means even more stuff would need renaming, too, like mfbt/Types.h :-(
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# [19:56] <jwatt> nemo: did you file a bug?
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# [19:56] <Waldo> there must be some way to avoid this mess :-(
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# [19:56] <rnewman> it's puzzling why it all worked before
# [19:56] <Waldo> well
# [19:56] <sfink> -I/usr, #include "include/stdint.h"?
# [19:56] <Waldo> it worked because no directory containing a name matching /^stdint.h$/i was ever built previously
# [19:57] <Waldo> sfink: possibly
# [19:57] <Waldo> come to think of it
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# [19:57] <sfink> does #include "../include/stdint.h" work?
# [19:57] <Waldo> mfbt/ previously had cruel and unusual things done to it
# [19:57] <rnewman> I will try
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# [19:58] <Waldo> <../include/stdint.h> seems preferable, but I'm not clear on the semantic importance of the difference between <> versus "" for includes
# [19:58] * Waldo pulls out a spec
# [19:58] <jwatt> nemo: if you did, it's a dupe of bug 726928
# [19:58] <nemo> jwatt: I did. ohhh well. darn. was hoping to avoid filing a dupe :)
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# [19:59] <Waldo> so <> searches one set of locations
# [19:59] <rnewman> err, wait, I'm not sure where I might make this change
# [19:59] <cers> Waldo: I was pretty sure "" used a relative path, while <> used -I paths
# [19:59] <Waldo> "" searches a different set, then falls back to <>
# [19:59] <nemo> jwatt: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727150 bleah
# [19:59] <rnewman> Types.h?
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# [19:59] <Waldo> rnewman: mfbt/StdInt.h should change the # include <stdint.h> line to # include <../include/stdint.h>
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# [20:00] <sfink> is that path still valid on Windows?
# [20:00] <nemo> jwatt: nice. this is the 2nd dupe :)
# [20:00] <biesi> yes
# [20:00] <Waldo> paths on Windows are perfectly fine forward-slashed, just some applications complain
# [20:00] <Waldo> and if you're at a command line ware your flags
# [20:01] <jwatt> nemo: yeah, shame I didn't see you talking about it before you put time into figuring it out :/
# [20:01] * Waldo pulls and tests that change on a non-Android toolchain
# [20:01] <sfink> I wasn't talking about the slashes; I was talking about the directory named "include". But I guess msys fakes it that way?
# [20:01] <rnewman> that gets past the error, Waldo
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# [20:01] <nemo> jwatt: and spamming bug lists ;)
# [20:01] <cers> nemo: hmm, sorry, didn't find that while searching
# [20:01] * nemo shrugs.
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# [20:01] <jwatt> nemo: yeah, good to know that plently of people are looking at SVG content though ;)
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# [20:01] <nemo> cers: well. for one thing, the thing it was duped against doesn't mention animation or artifacts
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# [20:02] <nemo> jwatt: BTW, speaking of SVG bugs
# [20:02] <rnewman> Waldo: looks like thumbs up from me on ../include/stdint.h
# [20:02] <jwatt> happy to know that regression was spotted so many times, even if less happy that our regression tests didn't catch it
# [20:02] <Waldo> rnewman: okay, so that'd address everybody whose standard includes are in a directory named "include"
# [20:02] <Waldo> rnewman: that might not be everyone
# [20:02] <nemo> jwatt: I don't know if this is *precisely* a bug... but there was a site w/ an SVG animation in background-image, and it performed really badly, to the point of locking up one machine.
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# [20:03] <nemo> jwatt: I finally figured out the fix was background-size: 2000px 2000px instead of background-size: auto auto;
# [20:03] <nemo> jwatt: apparently on long pages it was seriously hammering things
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# [20:03] <rnewman> Waldo: can I leave the backoff or quick fix in your capable hands?
# [20:03] <Waldo> rnewman: perhaps we can find a subdirectory of the standard include directory to use, then .. our way back to the top
# [20:03] <rnewman> I have to run out
# [20:03] <Waldo> rnewman: okay, I'll take it
# [20:03] <jwatt> nemo: sounds like that would be good to have filed, and with dholbert CC'ed
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# [20:03] <nemo> oh. huh. m'k
# [20:03] <rnewman> Waldo: if you opt to back out and fix, I can help you test later.
# [20:04] * Waldo will have to run to lunch eventually, but that's far enough off that he can take it for now
# [20:04] <Waldo> cool
# [20:04] <rnewman> thanks
# [20:04] <nemo> jwatt: guess I'll wait until I'm at the machine that was crashing, to make sure that part is still reproducible :)
# [20:04] <Waldo> backout seems the likeliest eventuality, but we'll see
# [20:04] <@bsmedberg> jimb: damn, you have to rain on my parade! :-(
# [20:04] <jwatt> nemo: ok
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# [20:08] <Mook_as> gcc has a #include_next directive, that might be useful (though that means you need to do separate things for gcc and not-gcc, so perhaps not.)
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# [20:11] <sfink> #include <sys/../stdint.h> seems most likely to work
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# [20:13] <dholbert> nemo, yeah, please do file a bug on that
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# [20:18] <jaws> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Roadmaps
# [20:19] <bhearsum> bz: you're probably interested to know that we're doing an Advertised (ie, pop a thing up in people's faces) update for 3.6.26 -> 10.0.1 today
# [20:19] * jhammel is happy to hear that :)
# [20:19] <@bz> bhearsum: excellent. ;)
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# [20:22] <nemo> dholbert: I recall mentioning it in #svg a few months ago :)
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# [20:22] <Waldo> sfink: yeah, that's what I'm trying out now
# [20:22] <dholbert> nemo, ah! I must have missed it.
# [20:23] <Waldo> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=9a1471c30863 and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727141 fwiw
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# [20:23] <nemo> dholbert: heh. I whined at length at the time. oh well. no biggie :)
# [20:24] <dholbert> nemo, bug-filed + whining is more effective than whining on its own, fwiw :)
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# [20:24] <nemo> dholbert: I'd wanted the animated background as a lil' easter egg for the new issue, and was sad that it didn't work.
# [20:24] <nemo> dholbert: yeah, I know. but unfortunately if there was no immediate workaround, I was going to have to just remove it, which I did.
# [20:24] <dholbert> gotcha
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# [20:27] <taras> full text search
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# [20:30] <Pike> taras: do languages that don't have real word seperators matter in that case? like, thai need dictionary lookups to tell one word from the next
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# [20:33] <irving> I want to replace an existing XPCOM service with a stub for an xpcshell test (in particular, the locale service). Any advice?
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# [20:34] <BenWa> josh: That should help with gtalk plugin holding the discrete gpu
# [20:34] <josh> I hope se
# [20:34] <josh> so
# [20:34] <@bsmedberg> irving: that is not always possible... it depends on whether clients create it by CID or by contractid
# [20:35] <@bsmedberg> and whether they cast it to a binary impl or other shenanigans
# [20:35] <irving> bsmedberg: the class I want to test is CPP and gets it by contractid
# [20:35] <@bsmedberg> irving: but if the stars align, you can use nsIComponentRegistrar.registerFactory or nsIComponentRegistrar.autoRegister to replace the contractid mapping with your own thing
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# [20:36] <armenzg_buildduty> Bas: joe ping
# [20:36] <joe> hi
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# [20:37] <joe> armenzg_buildduty: hi
# [20:37] <armenzg_buildduty> hi joe, how are you?
# [20:37] <armenzg_buildduty> it is wrt to the win7 perma-oranges when attached a dongle
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# [20:37] <irving> bsmedberg: so I register a new factory for my stub and hope the class under test calls that factory... Is this likely to work if my stub is javascript?
# [20:37] <armenzg_buildduty> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712630
# [20:37] <joe> ah yes
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# [20:38] <@bsmedberg> irving: "hope"?
# [20:38] <@bsmedberg> yes, you map the contractid to your class
# [20:38] <armenzg_buildduty> I know there is important work that gfx has at hand but it is very important that we get to test what we were supposed to be testing
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# [20:39] <irving> bsmedberg: if someone else has already instantiated the service, would my factory still get invoked?
# [20:39] <@bsmedberg> no
# [20:39] <armenzg_buildduty> it's been almost a year that we have *not* been testing reftests with acceleration
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# [20:40] <Waldo> joe: haha, drop() const
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# [20:40] <joe> Waldo: yeaaahhh
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# [20:41] <joe> how that didn't set off bells, along with mutable T* ptr, i do not know
# [20:41] <jtcranmer> KaiRo: can we sic the antitrust people on Apple to get them to allow other browsers on iOS? :-P
# [20:41] <KaiRo> jtcranmer: if you can make a case of them having a monopoly
# [20:42] <KaiRo> jtcranmer: the amount of other smartphones and tablets, Android ones mostly, probably make that argument not successful unfortunately
# [20:42] <jtcranmer> KaiRo: well, they refuse to allow any browser IIRC
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# [20:43] <KaiRo> jtcranmer: but they don't have that hard a grasp of the smartphone or tablet market as MS has over desktop OSes
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# [20:43] <jtcranmer> I don't know; the -webkit- prefix fiasco suggests otherwise
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# [20:45] <KaiRo> jtcranmer: actually, no - as the -webkit- prefix fiasco is as much about Android as about iOS
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# [20:46] <KaiRo> jtcranmer: and the fiasco is as much caused by our failure on mobile as on webkit browsers being there - and Google marketing Chrome heavily to authors
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# [20:49] * Waldo thinks "failure" is not quite the right word, or at least judges the current state of affairs too harshly; "too slow" would be fair, tho
# [20:51] <Waldo> (in the sense of not shipping soon enough, that is)
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# [20:51] <Waldo> we used to have some sort of ldap-y interface to get access to build logs before they'd completed; does that still exist anywhere?
# [20:52] <Waldo> it'd be helpful to see the in-progress logs for my most recent try push
# [20:52] <Waldo> as I only need know that Assertions.cpp has built (and probably JS engine, to be safe) to know that things work correctly
# [20:53] <Waldo> and otherwise it means I wait a full build cycle, and leave anyone busted in the meantime still busted
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# [20:58] <mccr8> Are Android try runs against Aurora and Beta totally busted or is that just me?
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# [20:58] <mbrubeck> mccr8: Not just you
# [20:58] <mbrubeck> mccr8: I think you need to change the branding in the mozconfig or something...
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# [20:58] <mccr8> mbrubeck: ah, okay, thanks!
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# [20:59] <NeilAway> sfink, Waldo: I suggested #include "../include/new" for the stl_wrappers includes but instead they went for a hack that finds the full path and creates a generated .h file :s
# [20:59] <mbrubeck> mccr8: See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=725659
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# [21:00] <Waldo> NeilAway: interesting
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# [21:03] <Callek> glandium: ping?
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# [21:04] <Waldo> Callek: this doesn't have to do with the Assertions.cpp bustage, does it?
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# [21:04] <Callek> glandium: don't suppose you can grab https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=722262#attach_597130 relatively quickly (so I can land directly to m-c since I'm busted on c-c right now)
# [21:04] <Callek> Waldo: why yes, it does if that bustage blocks m-c too ;-)
# [21:05] <Callek> (but I didn't know about it until you just said it)
# [21:05] <Waldo> okay, that's a different issue, looks like :-)
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# [21:06] <armenzg_buildduty> myk: ping
# [21:06] <myk> armenzg_buildduty: pong
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# [21:06] <armenzg_buildduty> hi myk, jetpack has been red for a while https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?noignore=1&jobname=jetpack
# [21:06] * Waldo isn't sure what time zone glandium is in, but he thought it was European-ish, and has assumed based on recent bugmail activity that glandium is out for the day now
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# [21:06] <armenzg_buildduty> what is the desired future of it?
# [21:06] <@khuey> Waldo: gmt+1 I think
# [21:07] <Waldo> vaguely thinking France, but I don't know
# [21:07] <@khuey> yeah
# [21:07] <myk> armenzg_buildduty: i'm on the Apps team now; you should ask in #jetpack
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# [21:08] <armenzg_buildduty> thanks myk
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# [21:09] <myk> armenzg_buildduty: sure thing
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# [21:10] <Callek> khuey: are you willing to grab that review from glandium perhaps ;-)
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# [21:12] <@khuey> what review?
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# [21:14] <Callek> khuey: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=722262#attach_597130
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# [21:15] <Callek> khuey: the c-c side of that is already landed (since I didn't catch that order mattered much here)
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# [21:15] <Callek> if you don't feel comfortable marking it r+ and gla* is not around I'll backout anyway, but easier just to have me (or Standard8) land that fix on m-c directly
# [21:16] <Callek> khuey: great thanks
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# [21:17] <Waldo> khuey: btw, if you could rubberstamp https://hg.mozilla.org/try/rev/24b765e25f5f assuming it passes try (which it appears to be doing thus far, an hour into builds) that's probably better than my just r=bustage-ing it in for bug 727141 :-)
# [21:18] <armenzg_buildduty> INFO: HG ISSUES HAPPENING https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727194
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# [21:19] <Waldo> REPLY: THANK YOU
# [21:19] <Waldo> ;-)
# [21:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b3a7561624f9 - Mark Banner - Bug 722262 Fix ordering for extra app libs in dependentlibs.list. r=khuey
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# [21:22] <@khuey> Waldo: that's ... lovely
# [21:22] <Waldo> yeah, pretty much :-(
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# [21:24] <@khuey> Waldo: rs=me
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# [21:24] <Waldo> heh, I know what you mean
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# [21:24] <@bsmedberg> !%$^#&!#?@@
# [21:24] <Waldo> it seems to me like we should reorder how -Istuff gets added to the command line at some point to avoid this
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# [21:26] <Callek> Waldo: wow that looks sooo icky
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# [21:26] <gaston> argh
# [21:26] <Waldo> I'm happy that at least it's self-contained ick
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# [21:26] <gaston> seriously ?
# [21:26] <Bas> joe: pong
# [21:26] <@khuey> heh
# [21:26] <dholbert> can we add a few more layers of ../sys/../sys/../sys/ just for fun?
# [21:26] <@khuey> dholbert++
# [21:27] <Waldo> dholbert: blue, you say?
# [21:27] <joe> Bas: armenzg_buildduty needs someone to look at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712630
# [21:27] <armenzg_buildduty> thanks joe
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# [21:27] <dholbert> Waldo, I do not grasp your meaning
# [21:27] <dholbert> (@ blue)
# [21:27] <Waldo> dholbert: or another color of paint
# [21:28] <dholbert> ah yes
# [21:28] <Bas> joe armenzg_buildduty: I hadn't noticed the updates on the bug, I'll look.
# [21:28] <joe> :)
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# [21:46] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ad0038e0af1f - Serge Gautherie - Bug 725942. (Av1) browser-test.js: Ignore empty console messages. r=dtownsend.
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# [21:48] <jaws> josh: ping?
# [21:48] <fantasai> dholbert: Did you catch the F2F minutes on flexbox?
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# [21:48] <dholbert> fantasai, I did -- last I saw was that you/tab/alex were gonna sort some stuff out
# [21:48] <fantasai> dholbert: In case you have an opinion on any of the issues, would be good to get that :)
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# [21:49] <fantasai> dholbert: wrt 'flex' vs flex(), we've got sane proposed syntax for both
# [21:49] <dholbert> fantasai, flexible margins is only being proposed in the cross axis, correct?
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# [21:49] <fantasai> dholbert: That was true until Phil posted yesterday :)
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# [21:50] <fantasai> dholbert: Alex is strongly in favor of a 'flex' property, so unless you've got a reason not to, the spec will probably change to that.
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# [21:50] <fantasai> dholbert: Wrt margins, not sure what will happen with Phil's suggestion
# [21:50] <dholbert> fantasai, (my original impl supported flexible margins/padding for 'auto', and I happily tore it out when the spec was simplified... I'm hoping to not have to put that back in. :))
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# [21:50] <jdm> bsmedberg: ping
# [21:50] <@bsmedberg> jdm: pong
# [21:50] <jdm> bsmedberg: just checking if you saw my email yesterday
# [21:51] <fantasai> dholbert: post to www-style about your concerns?
# [21:51] <dholbert> fantasai, k
# [21:51] <dholbert> fantasai, I don't have strong feelings on flex() vs. flex: -- the former is what I've got, but the latter seems easier for animations/transitions
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# [21:51] <@bsmedberg> jdm: heh, I did and thought you sent it to dev-platform and not me personally
# [21:51] <jdm> ha
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# [21:51] <fantasai> dholbert: hm. We need a decent OM, is the problem.
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# [21:52] <dholbert> fantasai, not sure I understand how that impacts flex() vs flex:
# [21:52] <fantasai> dholbert: Shouldn't have to split out properties because the JS access is awkward otherwise. Should split out properties because CSS access is awkward otherwise
# [21:52] <dholbert> fantasai, ah, gotcha
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# [21:53] <dholbert> fantasai, (I'm not talking about JS, I'm talking about underlying impl of animations/transitions in C++)
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# [21:53] <fantasai> dholbert: Anyway, I have to go find dinner before everything closes... so, just saying, you should post your opinions on everything you have an opinion on to www-style :)
# [21:53] <fantasai> dholbert: Otherwise can't take it into account, what? And you're well-informed on flexbox issues.
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# [21:54] <dholbert> fantasai, sounds good, thanks!
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# [22:04] <jaws> josh: does bug 727211 seem like likely fallout from bug 90268? i've marked it as such for now, but i'm not sure.
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# [22:05] <josh> jaws: I just assigned it to myself to look into it, it's possible it is 90268 but maybe not.
# [22:05] <jaws> ok thanks
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# [22:32] <blizzard> josh: hi! I cced you on some mail so no worries
# [22:33] <josh> blizzard: I don't understand what the email is about, not enough context. What does Citrix want?
# [22:33] <blizzard> josh: I don't know, I was asking too :)
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# [22:34] <clever> i'm trying to use nsISocketTransport::setEventSink, but it doesnt seem to ever be calling the function
# [22:35] <decoder> "Telemetery.cpp error: use of undeclared identifier" anyone seen this already today?
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# [22:36] <decoder> josh: thx
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# [22:40] <josh> decoder: bug 727081, btw
# [22:40] <doktor5000> hi again, am i getting that right that the fix for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=635918 will ship in ff/tb 12 releases?
# [22:40] <decoder> thx =)
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# [22:41] * @smaug finds "New Cycle Collector" in the roadmap, and wonders what the heck that is.
# [22:42] <mccr8> smaug: I think it just means the stuff you've already done. ;)
# [22:43] <kaie> I'm getting undefined reference to JS_Assert while linking libxul.so on inbound
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# [22:43] <@smaug> apparently the link points to a meta bug
# [22:43] <@smaug> nothing about new cycle collector
# [22:43] <clever> smaug: any clue why nsISocketTransport::setEventSink might not work?
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# [22:44] <@smaug> clever: you're asking wrong person about necko stuff ;)
# [22:44] <clever> kk, i'll keep looking arround
# [22:44] <@smaug> biesi: bz: jduell: ^
# [22:44] <lurking> smaug: quick, land your remaining patches and you take the rest of the year off :)
# [22:45] <@smaug> lurking: new CC is Q2
# [22:45] <lurking> oh
# [22:45] <@smaug> so only months vacation
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# [22:46] <@smaug> 4 months
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# [22:48] <felipe> doktor5000: yes
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# [22:50] <doktor5000> felipe: so if i want that, say for TB 10.x i'll have to rediff myself? - always my bad luck :/
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# [22:53] <felipe> doktor5000: I think so, unless the patch is landed in the branches.. however with the release cadence it won't be too long before that is released
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# [23:01] <clever> smaug: my best guess is that maybe it does the events before i set the sink
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# [23:04] <gaston> anyone knows a simple way to build with pgo on headless unix machine ? spawn a local Xnest or such ?
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# [23:06] <njn> smaug: see the comment at http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/base/nsDOMMemoryReporter.cpp#101
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# [23:12] <biesi> clever, when are you setting it?
# [23:13] <clever> biesi: this._transport = this._transportService.createTransport(null,0,host,port,null); this._transport.setEventSink({onTransportStatus:onTransportStatus},null); this._outstream = this._transport.openOutputStream(0,0,0);
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# [23:13] <clever> asap, right when the transport is made
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# [23:15] <biesi> clever, you _really_ _really_ want to set an event target when calling this from js
# [23:15] <clever> biesi: ah, to force things to the main thread i guess
# [23:15] <clever> let me find that
# [23:15] <biesi> yep
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# [23:16] <biesi> it also seems a bit odd to have a global onTransportStatus function
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# [23:16] <clever> biesi: its not global, within the 'class'
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# [23:17] <biesi> clever, are you using that fake-private-method trick?
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# [23:17] <clever> biesi: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1484382 no clue
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# [23:18] <biesi> clever, close enough
# [23:18] <luke_laptop> any magic needed to push an (approved) patch to mozilla-esr10? all the patches seem to have 'CLOSED TREE', so added that but still i get an error
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# [23:18] <clever> biesi: cant find anything to get a nsIEventTarget from the thread manager, where might i find it?
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# [23:19] <biesi> clever, nsIThread inherits from it
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# [23:19] <clever> ah, yeah i just noticed that
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# [23:19] <clever> ok, that seems simple enough :)
# [23:19] <biesi> :)
# [23:19] <clever> Components.classes["@mozilla.org/thread-manager;1"].getService(Components.interfaces.nsIThreadManager).currentThread
# [23:19] <biesi> yep
# [23:20] <clever> already using this in other areas of my code
# [23:21] <clever> biesi: only other issue that i caused recently, is that i'm trying to getservice my xpcom component, from within a JSM that the component is using
# [23:21] <clever> so the component is still initializing, when i try to get-service it
# [23:21] <biesi> yeah that doesn't work
# [23:21] <clever> yeah, it throws an error, which my code catches and ignores, then it somehow recovers
# [23:22] <clever> maybe i should just defer that connection, it doesnt have to connect to tcp that urgently
# [23:22] <biesi> huh?
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# [23:22] <clever> havent read the code that closely to find out why its recovering from the exception
# [23:22] <clever> Debug: tcp_debug, onTransportStatus(), -2142568448
# [23:22] <clever> Debug: tcp_debug, onTransportStatus(), -2142568448
# [23:22] <clever> Debug: tcp_debug, onTransportStatus(), -2142568448
# [23:22] <clever> Debug: tcp_debug, onTransportStatus(), -2142568448
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# [23:22] <clever> oops, copied too much, but it works now!
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# [23:23] <biesi> yay :)
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# [23:23] <Waldo> luke_laptop: probably a=akeyb l
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# [23:23] <clever> just need to un-mangle the status code, it seems to be treating it as a signed int
# [23:24] <luke_laptop> Waldo: i have that too
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# [23:24] <Waldo> hum
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# [23:24] <clever> ah, that was my bit-masking attempt
# [23:24] <clever> which i i did wrong, oops
# [23:24] <biesi> well it treats it as a js number :-)
# [23:24] <luke_laptop> Waldo: the error is: remote: Unrecognized tree! I don't know how to check closed status for mozilla-esr10.
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# [23:24] <biesi> which means, technically a double :/
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# [23:25] <krit> dbaron: ping
# [23:25] <clever> biesi: i would think floating point numbers are less likely to go from big to negative
# [23:25] <clever> but its clearly to do with my bit masking, printing it un-masked leaves it ok
# [23:25] <biesi> ok cool
# [23:25] <luke_laptop> akeybl: do you know by any chance?
# [23:26] <clever> i'll just subtract, the status codes are narrow enough that i dont need bit masking
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# [23:26] <clever> biesi: aStatus - 0x804b0000, perfect :)
# [23:26] <kaie> NeilAway, yes, thanks
# [23:26] <biesi> :)
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# [23:26] <@dbaron> krit, on the phone
# [23:26] <krit> dbaron: np
# [23:26] <NeilAway> kaie: sorry, didn't see you there, must have mistyped "R" instead of "E" and got autocompleted to someone else
# [23:27] <kaie> NeilAway, it was me who had an undefined reference (JS_Assert)
# [23:27] <Waldo> yeah, we just mostly got rid of JS_Assert; MOZ_Assert ftw now
# [23:27] <Waldo> the one is #defined to the other now
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# [23:28] <clever> ah, i see how my JSM is recovering now
# [23:28] <clever> it tries to get the xpcom component on every use, until it suceceeds :)
# [23:29] <Waldo> and as of about ten minutes ago, it even works on mobile builds on OS X :-)
# [23:29] <clever> and its perfectly wrapped in a try/catch to never throw a fit
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# [23:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d45c7d7b0079 - Kyle Huey - Bug 725848: Fix it for real this time. r=me
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# [23:41] <@khuey> bent: ^ \o/
# [23:41] <bent> nice
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# [23:49] <Callek> nsresult hopeful = philor->find_my_bug("https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?rev=b3a7561624f9", "winXP", "Mo3")
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# [23:50] <darktrojan> NS_ERROR_OUT_OF_SANITY
# [23:50] <@khuey> Callek: shutdown hang?
# [23:51] <Callek> khuey: not sure, too many orange bugs found
# [23:51] <Callek> though I know that patch wouldn't have caused any of them
# [23:51] <@khuey> Callek: probably 614146
# [23:51] <@khuey> Callek: open the log, look at the main thread stack for worker code to confirm
# [23:51] * Callek takes your word for it
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# [23:52] <Callek> yea thats it, thread 0 too ;-)
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# [23:53] <@khuey> yes, that's the main thread
# [23:53] <Callek> (yea I get that :-P )
# [23:53] <Callek> anyway, starred
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# [23:54] <Callek> thanks for implicitly doing a khuey->QueryInterface("philor"); by the way
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# [23:54] <Callek> khuey: but your impl is a little broken, not enough sarcasm
# [23:54] <@khuey> Callek: well, with any luck I just fixed that bug
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# [23:55] <Callek> to whoever just pushed to m-i, grrrr
# [23:55] <Callek> :-)
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