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# Session Start: Fri Mar 30 00:00:00 2012
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# [00:06] <RyanVM> romaxa: ping
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# [00:10] <rhelmer> mbrubeck: btw one thing that might not be obvious (perhaps should be in docs), the tbpl in your vagrant vm won't have data right away, until cron runs (every 5m iirc)
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# [00:10] <rhelmer> maybe I should put a @reboot in the crontab
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# [00:11] <rhelmer> still, wouldn't be instant, the script that scrapes build.m.o json files needs to run
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# [00:14] <RyanVM> btw, has anyone noticed that robocop is perma-orange on inbound?
# [00:14] <mbrubeck> rhelmer: I also notice that I'm not getting any logs returned... getParsedLog.php and getLogExcerpt.php time out eventually
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# [00:15] <rhelmer> mbrubeck: hmm i haven't tested that in a while, but i used to have problems with FTP, seemed like a bug in virtualbox.. that was using the NAT network driver though
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# [00:16] <mbrubeck> RyanVM: No...
# [00:16] <RyanVM> 2 INFO TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | testPasswordProvider | Insert returned null correctly - got content://org.mozilla.fennec.db.passwords/passwords/1?profilePath=%2Fmnt%2Fsdcard%2Ftests%2Fprofile, expected null
# [00:16] <RyanVM> 2 INFO TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | testPasswordEncrypt | Insert returned null correctly - got content://org.mozilla.fennec.db.passwords/passwords/1?profilePath=%2Fmnt%2Fsdcard%2Ftests%2Fprofile, expected null
# [00:16] <RyanVM> 2 INFO TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | testFormHistory | Insert returned null correctly - got content://org.mozilla.fennec.db.formhistory/formhistory/1?profilePath=%2Fmnt%2Fsdcard%2Ftests%2Fprofile, expected null
# [00:16] <mbrubeck> RyanVM: Looks like it starts with sriram's patch... heading to #mobile to let him know.
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# [00:17] <rhelmer> mbrubeck: i had a patch in that bug for tbpl, i don't know if i landed it.. switched from ftp://ftp.m.o to http://ftp.m.o
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# [00:17] <mbrubeck> rhelmer: I'll test that out
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# [00:17] <rhelmer> mbrubeck: cool tx, if that doesn't work lmk, after I am done with this task I can take a look
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# [00:25] <RyanVM> backing out romaxa too
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# [00:31] <mbrubeck> rhelmer: The passive FTP patch in bug 682591 does not fix the log timeouts for me. I don't see a patch to use HTTP.
# [00:31] <mbrubeck> also I don't know whether I'm using the NAT driver
# [00:33] <nemo> ugh. Safari is such a horrible browser :(
# [00:33] <reed> nemo: obviously, the answer is to use Chrome instead.
# [00:33] <nemo> reed: on an iphone? :)
# [00:34] <jhammel> obviously the answer is to not have an iPhone ;)
# [00:34] <nemo> welll. I *was* trying to get this web app to work on all platforms
# [00:34] <nemo> you'd think since Apple invented transitions, they could actually implement them correctly
# [00:34] <jhammel> heh
# [00:34] <rhelmer> mbrubeck: oh i forgot it was a patch to use passive FTP, and I discussed switching to HTTP; ok I will take a look, sorry about that
# [00:35] <rhelmer> mbrubeck: hmm i know that bridged networking was a decent workaround, but we should just stop using FTP, like srsly
# [00:35] <nemo> and for god's sake. how hard is it to implement wrapping without elements randomly overflowing stuff :(
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# [00:36] <nemo> apparently inline-block means "overflow the right margin instead of wrapping onto the line below if stuff to your left has a margin that doesn't leave you any room"
# [00:36] <mbrubeck> philor: Can I get access to tbpl-dev so I can verify my patches?
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# [00:37] <rhelmer> mbrubeck: bridged networking would make your vm get a different IP on dhcp from the external real-world network everytime though which is annoying
# [00:37] <rhelmer> mbrubeck: i'll file a bug to switch that over to http
# [00:37] * nemo sighs and comments out -webkit-transition
# [00:37] <nemo> they only have themselves to blame
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# [00:46] <billm> kinetik: ping
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# [00:48] <kinetik> billm: hi
# [00:48] <billm> kinetik: hey. do you have time for another media question?
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# [00:49] <kinetik> billm: sure
# [00:50] <billm> kinetik: I'm trying to understand some ~400ms hangs I'm seeing while playing an HTML5 game. I've managed to stop it twice during the hang, and these are the stack traces (from the main thread): http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1544310
# [00:50] <billm> kinetik: I'm assuming there's some other thread that holds the lock. is there a way I can debug this further?
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# [00:51] <mayhemer> philor: looks like some new oranges: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=10485776&tree=Mozilla-Inbound and https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=10485815&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [00:51] <kinetik> billm: there's a state machine thread and a decoder thread, both of them can take that lock
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# [00:52] <billm> kinetik: are they stored anywhere? if I could identify the threads, I could look at their stacks in gdb.
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# [00:53] <kinetik> billm: oh, and possibly the audio loop too
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# [00:54] <kinetik> billm: the entry points are nsBuiltinDecoderStateMachine::DecodeThreadRun, ::AudioLoop, and ::RunStateMachine
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# [00:56] <billm> kinetik: ok, thanks. I'll see if I get anywhere with that.
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# [01:00] <philor> mayhemer: ITYM "mbrubeck++ for backing out the cause of those robocop failures" and "philor-- for never bothering to update the summary for the no content was injected case"
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# [01:01] <BenWa> jaws: Sorry I was in a meeting. Removing 'stackwalking' resolved the issue?
# [01:01] <jaws> BenWa: yeah
# [01:02] <philor> wow, robocheck and robopan are really trying to fit in with their rowmates, aren't they?
# [01:02] <BenWa> jaws: Alright so you likely see a limited view of what Firefox is doing. Once we get the go ahead to release the symbol server you'll get the full unwinding info which is very useful
# [01:02] <jaws> BenWa: do i need the symbol server if i built locally?
# [01:03] <BenWa> jaws: I think we will add something to run a local symbol server and/or modify the add-on use your local data
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# [01:03] <BenWa> Local build will be another challenge we will need to solve
# [01:03] <jaws> ok cool, thanks for building this :)
# [01:04] <jaws> we might need to add some more messages at different points because my profiling data has too many question marks
# [01:04] <BenWa> jaws: I'm really curious to ear the results you get. If you can find real problems, or features are missing or if you can't and maybe we can learn what to improve
# [01:04] <BenWa> jaws: Well with stackwalking it's not needed
# [01:04] <billm> kinetik: there are a bunch of threads that look like this: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1544328
# [01:04] <jaws> BenWa: here is the profiling data that i collected: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=703455#c6
# [01:05] <BenWa> Ohh damn, we don't support leaf address on window
# [01:05] <billm> kinetik: are there any known problems where playing lots of audio causes jank?
# [01:05] <BenWa> With leaf address you can find out where the instruction pointer is
# [01:06] <jaws> billm: is it all the same audio resource?
# [01:06] <BenWa> jaws: Actually we can try the instruction from vladan's local symbol server and see if that works
# [01:06] <billm> jaws: I don't know. how do I find that out?
# [01:06] <jaws> billm: i think it was roc who was suggesting people to use .clone() for audio resources if they want to play them multiple times since it is more efficient
# [01:06] <jaws> billm: are you developing the website?
# [01:07] <billm> jaws: no. i'm debugging someone else's site.
# [01:07] <kinetik> billm: drain is kinda broken on linux atm, but the decoder lock is not held while it's called
# [01:07] <jaws> billm: oh ok
# [01:07] <jaws> i don't know then
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# [01:07] <jaws> BenWa: i can try to do that tomorrow :)
# [01:07] <BenWa> Alright, np
# [01:08] <billm> kinetik: is the lock held during any part of Drain?
# [01:08] <kinetik> billm: no
# [01:08] <vladan> jaws: give me a shout if you need help setting up the Symbolication Server locally
# [01:08] <jaws> BenWa: you are on EST, right?
# [01:08] <jaws> vladan: ^
# [01:09] <BenWa> Yes
# [01:09] <jaws> i'll try to get started earlier tomorrow then
# [01:09] <vladan> jaws: yes, but my work hours are kinda offset so i might as well be on PST ;)
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# [01:09] <jaws> oh hehe, i might as well live in the middle of the pacific ocean :)
# [01:09] <billm> kinetik: ok. thanks.
# [01:10] <kinetik> billm: if it's reproducible, feel free to file a bug in core::video/audio and we'll take a look
# [01:10] <@roc> yeah, we'd love to take a look
# [01:10] <@roc> there are more optimizations we can do, but it would be good to have a real testcase to drive them
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# [01:12] <billm> roc, kinetik: the game is from turbulenz.com. I'll cc you on the email from the developers, and you should be able to get a beta key for the game.
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# [01:19] <@roc> ta
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# [01:21] <NeilAway> nemo: you should prefer prefix-free CSS anyway :-P
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# [01:25] <mcsmurf> the urbandictionary people managed to break their mobile page (http://m.urbandictionary.com/) for all non-Webkit browsers
# [01:25] <mcsmurf> -webkit prefixes everywhere
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# [01:36] <masayuki> when I probably fix a bug for highly-frequent random orange, should I request approval to land Aurora? It's actually bug 703774.
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# [01:44] <mayhemer> where can I submit splinter bugs?
# [01:45] <jhammel> mayhemer: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=bugzilla.mozilla.org
# [01:45] <jhammel> Extensions: Splinter, i would assume
# [01:45] <jhammel> if you're talking about the mozilla use of splinter anyway
# [01:46] <mayhemer> jhammel: ok, there is however no component, should that be in Attachements & so ?
# [01:46] <kbrosnan> masayuki: from what i've seen from the triage meetings is generally test fixes ride the train. though if this could save a lot of time of people who star I could see a case for taking it. make a comment in the bug explaing the request
# [01:46] <mayhemer> jhammel: aha, ok, there is just Extensions
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# [01:46] <jhammel> mayhemer: Extensions: Splinter
# [01:47] <mayhemer> jhammel: aha! not Bugzilla but bugzilla.mozilla.org, thanks!
# [01:47] <jhammel> heh, i even gave you the full link :P
# [01:47] <romaxa> RyanVM: pong
# [01:48] <mayhemer> jhammel: yep, I didn't catch there is different product then bugzilla
# [01:48] <mayhemer> jhammel: I thought I already was on the right product :)
# [01:50] <jaws> mcsmurf: but there *are* 7 -moz-transforms... sigh
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# [01:53] <edmorley> masayuki: yes please, that orange is extremely frequent :-)
# [01:53] <edmorley> masayuki: not sure if you still need aurora approval for test only changes?
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# [01:54] <edmorley> or at least, risk vs reward is a non-issue
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# [02:00] <nemo> NeilAway: erm. well, right now anyway, I have -moz-trans/-o-trans/-ms-trans/-webkit-trans/trans
# [02:00] <nemo> NeilAway: I only disabled the -webkit
# [02:00] <nemo> NeilAway: looks like the iphone didn't have prefix-free, since the transition stopped occuring (and screwing up)
# [02:00] <mcsmurf> jaws: ah, didn't notice that :) but I did not look at their CSS too closely ;)
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# [02:12] <cpeterson> hg question: When the release branches are uplifted, is m-c merged into m-a or does m-c just blow away m-a's history?
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# [02:14] <edmorley> cpeterson: merged
# [02:14] <edmorley> different branch
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# [02:14] <edmorley> different head sorry
# [02:15] <cpeterson> I have a fix in m-c that I need to land on m-a. Is the standard procedure to hg transplant (or hg export/import) the m-c changeset?
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# [02:18] <mbrubeck> cpeterson: Yes
# [02:18] <cpeterson> mbrubeck: thanks
# [02:18] <mbrubeck> cpeterson: I usually do "hg export $rev | vipe | hg qimport - -n $rev"
# [02:19] <cpeterson> what is vipe?
# [02:19] <mbrubeck> "vipe" comes from the "moreutils" package and lets you edit text that's piped through it; I use it to add the "a=..." to the commit message
# [02:20] <cpeterson> "vi pipe" I guess.
# [02:20] <mbrubeck> yeah
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# [02:58] <terrence> mbrubeck: ping
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# [03:02] <mbrubeck> terrence: pong
# [03:03] <terrence> mbrubeck: how do I find out who is on buildbot duty?
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# [03:03] <mbrubeck> terrence: On https://tbpl.mozilla.org/ you can click on "Tree Info" in the header to find the current buildduty assignment
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# [03:04] <terrence> mbrubeck: awesome! exactly what I needed to know
# [03:04] <terrence> jhford: ping
# [03:04] <jhford> terrence: pong
# [03:04] <terrence> jhford: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=61b214270824 is going to go up in flames shortly
# [03:05] <jhford> orly?
# [03:05] <terrence> jhford: I've already pushed a backout
# [03:05] <jhford> gtk
# [03:05] <terrence> jhford: there was an mq malfunction
# [03:05] <jhford> terrence: have you cancelled the builds?
# [03:05] <terrence> jhford: that was the next thing I was going to ask :-)
# [03:05] <mbrubeck> don't cancel the builds!
# [03:06] <mbrubeck> Just let them fail -- cancelling non-clobbered builds can leave the slaves in a bad state.
# [03:06] <terrence> mbrubeck: that's also good to know... is it safe to do that on try? because I do that all the time to save resources...
# [03:07] <mbrubeck> terrence: Yes, all builds on Try are clobber, so it's okay to cancel those.
# [03:07] <mbrubeck> On other trees you can safely cancel tests, but not builds.
# [03:08] <terrence> mbrubeck: good to know!
# [03:09] <mbrubeck> Now that I've started fixing TBPL bugs, maybe I'll finally fix it so the self-serve cancel button doesn't appear for builds (except on Try)
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# [03:18] <RyanVM> mbrubeck: good info. I didn't know it was OK to cancel tests
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# [03:35] <philor> well, you can cancel non-Android tests
# [03:36] <philor> and you can cancel Android tests if you don't care whether they fail their next run, which is, that's going to..., yeah, might as well just cancel them too
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# [03:37] <Callek> Boo at "might as well just cancel them too"
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# [03:38] <Callek> failing android makes Callek sad
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# [03:41] <philor> better figure some way to never again reconfig any tegra master, then
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# [03:43] <philor> start out with 20-odd failures per reconfig, and then start adding in the rest, things like "less horrid than it could conceivably be" make a reasonable goal
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# [03:46] <fryn> this __ changesets omitted thing on TBPL is pretty great.
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# [03:46] <fryn> kudos to whoever made it :)
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# [03:46] <mbrubeck> fryn: That'd be sfink: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=731261
# [03:46] <fryn> sfink: thanks for that ^ :)
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# [03:46] <philor> I'm looking forward to the next merge, not having to avoid ever hovering the merge push for fear of unresponsive script dialogs
# [03:47] <mbrubeck> terrence's backed-out push that he was so worried about burning seems rather green, in fact
# [03:48] <mbrubeck> philor: As of https://hg.mozilla.org/users/mstange_themasta.com/tinderboxpushlog/rev/e4eb74b2aafb we no longer loop through commits when you hover over a push!
# [03:48] <mbrubeck> So once that's deployed you would be safe even without sfink's fix.
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# [03:49] <fryn> lolwut https://bug731261.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=608070
# [03:49] <mbrubeck> woof!
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# [03:49] <mbrubeck> I like it in this view: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=608070&action=diff
# [03:49] <masayuki> edmorley: Thanks, but I'm not sure if approval necessary for a patch which is changing only tests.
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# [03:50] <mbrubeck> I really wonder if sfink did that by hand, or with a tool/regex of som esort.
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# [03:50] <philor> masayuki: the people giving the approvals do think it's necessary, though
# [03:50] <mbrubeck> s/som esort/some sort/
# [03:51] <mbrubeck> fryn: I thought maybe it was in reference to philor's fondness for squirrels, e.g. http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/search?query=squirrel
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# [03:52] <mbrubeck> no idea. :P
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# [03:52] <philor> the thing that's distracted by a squirrel in "and then we should HEY A SQUIRREL" is a dog, with a dog's attention span
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# [03:52] <heycam> doesn't screen say something like "Wuuf wuuf!" when it has visual bell turned on
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# [04:26] <cadecairos> cpearce: ping
# [04:26] <cpearce> cadecairos: pong
# [04:26] <cadecairos> hey
# [04:27] <cadecairos> so that latest patch for 736400
# [04:28] <cadecairos> think any of the failures from the try server are related to my patch?
# [04:28] <cadecairos> are are those known failures
# [04:28] <cpearce> cadecairos: they look like known failures.
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# [04:29] <ewong> any XUL gurus around?
# [04:29] <cadecairos> excellent. in that case I'd say it's safe to set it checkin-needed
# [04:29] <cpearce> cadecairos: looks like we can try landing it again.
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# [04:30] <jaws> ewong: you're better off just asking your question :)
# [04:31] <ewong> heh.. I am using toolkit's notificationbox. given http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1543528, am I appending the child right?
# [04:32] <ewong> well I am.. but it's not exactly what I'm looking for as it appends the child, but doesn't display the label..
# [04:32] <ewong> iirc, it used to work..
# [04:33] <jaws> ewong: is this for firefox?
# [04:33] <ewong> jaws no.. TB
# [04:33] <ewong> jaws but it shouldn't matter, I think?
# [04:34] <jaws> ewong: no it doesn't, but i think Firefox has some modules that make using infobars a little easier
# [04:34] <ewong> ahh
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# [04:38] <kanru> what is the preferred way to create a long living thread in c++?
# [04:38] <jaws> ewong: sorry, i don't know the answer to your question though.
# [04:38] <ewong> jaws 'sok
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# [05:43] <jdm> Waldo: http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/the-supreme-court-issues-a-5-4-decision-on-where-to-order-lunch
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# [05:48] <Callek> karl: would upgrading the GTK version introduce ANY new runtime requirements?
# [05:48] <Callek> (or for that matter glib)
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# [05:50] <Callek> karl: this is re 740690
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# [06:00] <karl> Callek: yes
# [06:00] <karl> Callek: have a look at the dependent bug
# [06:01] <Callek> typically when upgrading system software brings with it runtime deps needs product drivers to weigh in
# [06:01] <Callek> and explicitly decide what trains said runtime dep changes are ok on (if any)
# [06:01] <Callek> and workaround found where necessary
# [06:01] <karl> are you able to cc drivers on the bugs, please?
# [06:02] <Callek> karl: I'm speaking in generalities, so not *certain* in this case, I think someone like Asa/Gavin etc might be able to help weigh in, but first things first you'd want to identify what dependencies will be changing, specifically. Along with what ones can be worked around for sure, and how safe said workarounds are
# [06:02] <Callek> karl: I'm hardly a final say, but just trying to advocate for the path of least surprises :-)
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# [06:03] <karl> the new dependencies are discussed in the bug, with no plans for workarounds; we are still supporting very old systems here
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# [06:04] <karl> but sure, if any product drivers are interested in linux, please weigh in
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# [06:05] <jasper> Hello so my professor in my Software Engineering class assigned us a project to work on an Open Source Project and I was wondering if anyone would be able to help me out or explain how this works?
# [06:06] <znhxr> does the project have to be pre-existing?
# [06:06] <Mossop> #introduction might be the best place to start, though it's sort of the off-hours right now so might be a bit quiet
# [06:06] <jasper> Yes it does
# [06:07] <jasper> around what hours is it better to ask questions?
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# [06:08] <Mossop> We get most activity during working hours in the US
# [06:08] <jasper> okay thank you!
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# [06:48] <@smaug> gavin: I would be horrified if something non-printing related would use createStaticClone
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# [06:59] <@smaug> uh, bugzilla is down
# [06:59] <glob> smaug, yup :)
# [06:59] <znhxr> .oO( file a bug )
# [06:59] <glob> it's schedule maintenance
# [07:00] <@smaug> glob: I guess I need to use some other bugzilla instance for awhile... I can file spec bugs on W3C
# [07:00] <janv> ehsan: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2012JanMar/0886.html
# [07:00] <@khuey> Jesse: ping?
# [07:01] <janv> janv: that's the filehandle proposal
# [07:01] <janv> err
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# [07:02] <@ehsan> janv: nice, thanks for forwarding the link! :)
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# [07:25] <@smaug> glob: what is the schedule for bugzilla
# [07:25] <glob> smaug, ?
# [07:26] <@smaug> glob: I mean, when will it be up again
# [07:26] <glob> smaug, when you visit bmo do you get an outage notification page?
# [07:26] <gcp_> yes
# [07:26] <@smaug> glob: oh, I should read the small print :)
# [07:26] <glob> :D
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# [07:54] <@khuey> another 15 minutes?
# [07:54] <@khuey> rabble rabble rabble
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# [08:07] <@khuey> http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/153618/rabble-rabble-rabble
# [08:08] <glob> bmo wfm
# [08:10] <@khuey> me too
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# [08:17] <jdm> glob: how easy will it be to change the text that's sent after a first review+?
# [08:18] <jdm> in the future, I mean
# [08:18] <glob> jdm, code push, but no outage
# [08:18] <jdm> excellent
# [08:18] <glob> jdm, bmo gets updated weekly, late wed/earl thu
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# [08:18] <jdm> I didn't know this!
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# [08:19] <glob> yeah, i've been thinking about blogging for each push, but i don't know if that'll just be seen as planet-spam
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# [08:20] <ewong> glob, eye of the beholder.. (and for effect) it's the eye of the beholder...
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# [09:00] <jaws> lsblakk|afk: do you know why https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=738077 still shows autoland-in-queue after the autoland-try has finished?
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# [09:13] <hsivonen> NeilAway: the page has to wait getting the parser results flushed into the DOM, yes. The HTML parser will speculatively parse the page in the background, though, in the hope that the script won't do a bad kind of document.write.
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# [09:23] <ewong> jdm congrats on your end-of-academia phase.. :)
# [09:23] <jdm> thanks :)
# [09:23] <heycam> jdm++
# [09:23] <heycam> must feel great :)
# [09:23] <jdm> I'll be rather disappointed if it turns out that my credits aren't actually in order and I'm a couple short
# [09:23] <jdm> but whatever
# [09:23] <jdm> I'm starting the job in july, degree or no
# [09:23] <dwarfcrank> Oh, congrats
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# [09:26] <ewong> jdm well.. good luck! :)
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# [09:30] <tn> jdm, where are you starting?
# [09:30] <jdm> tn: toronto
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# [09:32] <tn> jdm, for mozilla?
# [09:32] <jdm> yeppers
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# [09:33] <tn> jdm, cool. what are you planning between graduation and starting in july?
# [09:33] <jdm> tn: two months of backpacking in europe
# [09:33] <jdm> it's going to be great
# [09:33] <jdm> I plan to see how many mozilla offices I can stop into along the way, too
# [09:34] <tn> jdm, awesome.
# [09:35] <derf> I was planning to hit the Paris office today.
# [09:35] <derf> Not that I even know who's there.
# [09:36] <jdm> derf: what are you doing in paris?
# [09:36] <derf> jdm: IETF 83.
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# [09:37] <derf> And by "today" I mean I'm heading down to the metro in like 5 minutes.
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# [09:44] <NeilAway> hsivonen: yeah, I noticed that when I click "reload" because the page doesn't appear to be loading, the script gets cancelled, all of the speculated parse gets appended to the tree, it starts getting displayed... and then the reload takes effect and I have to wait for the page to load all over again ;-)
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# [10:11] <NeilAway> hsivonen: now if only there was an easy way to cancel that script's network connection, so that I could get on with the rest of the page ;-)
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# [10:37] <mikola> Hello I'm Mikalaj Parafeniuk - a student, who is looking a project to apply during the google summer of code. I was exited by one of the project found here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Community:SummerOfCode12#Developer_Tools. The title is CSS Source Maps. But the project doesn't have the potential mentor. Am i in the right place? Can you give me a hint, with whom can i discuss this idea?
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# [10:39] <NeilAway> browserquest, Y U NO respond to my clicks?
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# [10:40] <jdm> mikola: your best bet will be to talk with the people in #devtools
# [10:40] <NeilAway> actually managed to get it loading in Firefox 4, after using the debugger to disable the various security checks
# [10:40] <jdm> mikola: however, I expect they are almost all asleep right now
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# [10:40] <NeilAway> but it still won't respond to clicks :s
# [10:43] <mikola> Thanks for response.
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# [10:44] <jdm> mikola: in 12 hours there should be a good amount of activity in #devtools
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# [10:44] <jdm> mikola: in 12 hours there should be a good amount of activity in #devtools
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# [10:58] <Ms2ger> Morning, edmorley
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# [11:03] <edmorley> Good morning Ms2ger, how are you? :-)
# [11:04] <Ms2ger> Good good
# [11:04] <Ms2ger> You?
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# [11:07] <edmorley> also good, enjoying yet another (surprisingly) sunny blue sky day :-)
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# [11:08] <edmorley> well, other than having to deal with the irritation that is Ryanair
# [11:09] <Ms2ger> Pff, cloudy here :(
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# [11:09] <dwarfcrank> Same here
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# [11:13] <Ms2ger> Yay, email in Malayalam
# [11:13] <Ms2ger> Go Wikipedia
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# [11:19] <darktrojan> heh
# [11:21] <NeilAway> darktrojan: btw I noticed that planet "works" (in as much as it gets served XHTML using an HTML mime type, rather than in a mime type that it doesn't accept) in IE now ;-)
# [11:21] <Ms2ger> Boo
# [11:21] <darktrojan> ew IE
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# [11:24] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: need to let those IE users know what they're missing out on ;-)
# [11:24] <Ms2ger> 2003's XML craze?
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# [11:32] <NeilAway> whoa, that was close
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# [11:33] <NeilAway> although as it happens this is the one build that I had a backup of
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# [12:10] <NeilAway> bah, browserquest is the new planet :s
# [12:12] <Ms2ger> What, a place to ask people to sign petitions? :)
# [12:12] <ttaubert> hah
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# [12:13] <Ms2ger> Woo, documentation
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# [12:14] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: no, a site that only seems to go wrong for me and possibly one or two other people
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# [12:16] <darktrojan> maybe you just complain louder than most people
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# [12:22] <darktrojan> fwiw it's never worked for me
# [12:23] <darktrojan> I get Timestamp: 30/03/12 23:14:54
# [12:23] <darktrojan> Error: Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at ws://178.79.191.195/.
# [12:23] <darktrojan> Source File: http://browserquest.mozilla.org/js/game.js
# [12:23] <darktrojan> Line: 1
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# [12:33] <mak> Ms2ger: before landing tends of file conflicting with inbound, could you please merge inbound to central first? :)
# [12:33] <mak> I'm now going to merge central to inbound, since doing the opposite there's concrete risk to overwrite some of your changes
# [12:33] <Ms2ger> I can do m-c -> m-i
# [12:34] <mak> no problem I'm about to do that
# [12:34] <mak> though I'd really prefer if before doing a large change in central one would merge the trees
# [12:35] <mak> I'm not really willing to be picky, but we risk to overwrite changes, that sounds scary :)
# [12:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/af214ef4172e - Serge Gautherie - Bug 733269. (Av1) redirect.html: Let its load complete before redirecting. rs=jwalden.
# [12:36] <mak> aww
# [12:36] * mak goes away crying
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# [12:37] <mak> btw, merged to i, later will do the opposite
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# [12:44] <darktrojan> ick, it takes ages to switch back to a facebook tab
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# [12:54] <edmorley> mak: I've triggered pgo on inbound tip, will merge from that once it looks more green
# [12:55] <mak> edmorley: ah, I thougth I had been lucky, but you gave me the hope instead :)
# [12:55] <edmorley> heh :-)
# [12:55] <NeilAway> what do you suppose my chances with Safari are?
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# [13:26] <NeilAway> wait, so there's supposed to be an in-game cursor?
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# [13:37] <Ms2ger> Hmm, I wonder if that M3 is Serge's fault
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# [13:47] <NeilAway> now my unresponsive script warning has stopped responding :s
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# [13:56] <mak> Ms2ger: there is a similar orange in inbound, but in test_browserFrame4.html... hard to tell
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# [13:57] <mak> looks like talos-r3-fed-070 has gone mad
# [13:58] <Ms2ger> Yes, one would think so
# [13:58] <Ms2ger> jhford!
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# [14:08] <Ms2ger> derf, you know if the minutes from today's IETF meetings are online yet? (For mike5w3c)
# [14:08] <mike5w3c> yeah, gimme minutes
# [14:09] <Ms2ger> Gimme hours!
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# [14:10] <mike5w3c> I find http://tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/minutes
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# [14:11] <firebot> sgautherie was last seen 9 days, 17 hours, 32 minutes and 39 seconds ago, saying 'mcsmurf: I hope so ... that's why I'm trying to find out what mine is...' in #developers.
# [14:12] <Ms2ger> Hah
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# [14:15] <edmorley> oh the third one has gone green :/
# [14:19] <mak> nah, someone must remove this slave from the bunch
# [14:19] <mak> do we have EU buildduty?
# [14:19] <Ms2ger> No
# [14:20] <Ms2ger> Toronto is your best bet, I guess
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# [14:33] <humph> http://trychooser.pub.build.mozilla.org/ seems to imply that I'm getting "everything" with "try: -b do -p all -u all -t none" and yet I don't get 10.7 opt, which is what I'm trying to actually test on try
# [14:33] <humph> what's the trick?
# [14:34] <glandium> humph: add &noignore=1 to the tbpl url
# [14:35] <Ms2ger> Shouldn't need to
# [14:35] <Ms2ger> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=c924bf31fb1c got them just fine
# [14:35] <humph> nice, now I fail more and still have no opt for 10.7
# [14:36] <humph> is it just luck that you sometimes get 10.7 in your try runs?
# [14:37] <glandium> humph: should happen any time you build for macosx64
# [14:37] <derf> Ms2ger: What you can see on the website is what I can see on the websit, w.r.t. minutes.
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# [14:37] <Ms2ger> derf, we found them, thanks anyway
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# [14:39] <NeilAway> is it possible to search for code in github?
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# [14:40] <Ms2ger> Hah
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# [14:42] <nigelb> NeilAway: yes. github's search looks through code as well. I think.
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# [14:49] <NeilAway> nigelb: excellent, browserquest uses requireJS 0.26, current version on github is 1.0.7
# [14:49] <Ms2ger> String is represented by "XMLCh*" which is a pointer to unsigned 16 bit type holding utf-16 values, null terminated.
# [14:49] <Ms2ger> typedef unsigned int XMLCh
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# [14:51] <Ms2ger> Pff, DOS
# [14:51] <Ms2ger> All that was good for was Tetris
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# [15:04] <NeilAway> ok, so I can't do what I want, because browserquest uses closures to hide its variables :-(
# [15:05] <NeilAway> unless jsd can get at them somehow
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# [15:47] <Ms2ger> wrapper->SetWrapper(componentWrapper);
# [15:47] <Ms2ger> Oh yeah
# [15:48] <gabor> :)
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# [16:29] <edmorley> is the 'last resolved' field in bugmail new, I don't remember seeing it before
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# [16:29] <edmorley> s/,/?/
# [16:31] <NeilAway> Enn: should clicking on and/or tabbing to a design mode frame focus an element, or just the window?
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# [16:33] <Ms2ger> edmorley, yeah
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# [16:36] <Ms2ger> froydnj, https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Building_only_SpiderMonkey
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# [16:39] <froydnj> ta
# [16:40] <Ms2ger> Bah, -070- is burning on try too
# [16:42] <mak> again?
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# [16:42] <mak> catlee said it had been removed
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# [16:45] <mak> catlee: can you confirm talos-r3-fed-070 is completely out of the slaves?
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# [16:48] <Ms2ger> Anyway, I'm off for the weekend
# [16:48] <Ms2ger> See you
# [16:48] <bear> mak - I have ssh'd to that box and told it to reboot - waiting for it to come back so I can delete the buildbot control file
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# [16:56] <Bas> Does anyone know why we're not setting most of our addref/release implementations MOZ_FINAL? It would seem to me that that would make it easy for the compiler to devirtualize the calls.
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# [17:05] <@ted> Bas: the PGO MSVC compiler does speculative virtual inlining anyway, i bet it wouldn't help perf much
# [17:05] <@ted> it just inserts a vtbl check and an inlined call
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# [17:06] <Bas> ted: We addref and release quite a bit though, wouldn't the vtbl check cost a cycle or two?
# [17:06] <@ted> probably, it's a compare+jne or something
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# [17:06] <@ted> you can go disassemble one of our nightlies to see :)
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# [17:07] <Bas> That's what I expect, saving a compare+jne on all our addrefs and releases though, dunno, seems good :)
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# [17:07] <@ted> i'm sure it wouldn't hurt
# [17:07] <@ted> i'm just not sure you'd see it move the needle in benchmarks either
# [17:08] <@ted> actually
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# [17:08] <@ted> most of our addref/release methods get folded together anyway
# [17:08] <NeilAway> Bas: wouldn't really help with nsCOMPtr though
# [17:08] <Enn> NeilAway: the document is focused but nothing in it is
# [17:08] <@ted> so maybe the linker doesn't have to give a shit
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# [17:08] <@ted> since it's calling the same code anyway
# [17:09] <Bas> ted: Problem is it's not easy to test I guess. Naively changing the macro's will probably cause trouble as in some cases we do overload.
# [17:09] <@ted> right
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# [17:09] <@ted> things that require a lot of work to prove are a pain :-/
# [17:09] <@ted> we've done that before, like changing the signature of QI
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# [17:10] <@ted> there's a WONTFIXed bug with a patch, it didn't prove to be a win
# [17:10] <Bas> Ugh
# [17:10] <Bas> Sounds like a pain!
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# [17:10] <@ted> looked like it, from the bug
# [17:11] <BenWa> wont the MOZ_FINAL error where it breaks (on compilers that support it)? i.e. something tries to overwrite? What manual checking would you have to do
# [17:11] <jesup> Anyone setup to convert .scc screencast files (ScreenFlow (Mac) I presume) to something viewable on Windows or Linux? Or better yet know a tool that doesn't run on a mac?
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# [17:11] <@ted> Bas: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391275 FTR
# [17:11] <Bas> BenWa: Right, I bet there's not just 1 or two cases of that though :p
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# [17:13] <ttaubert> what's up with the WinXP M3 orange since Ms2ger's push?
# [17:13] <Bas> ted: Quite the patch.
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# [17:16] <mak> ttaubert: good question, it's a new random orange. there is one similar in test_browserFrame4.html. no idea. btw, you may want to wait for inbound before merging fx-team, we are already far enough
# [17:16] <mkaply> Enn: You around?
# [17:16] <ttaubert> mak: alright
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# [17:16] <mak> edmorley: I'd say to merge and file the orange, I don't see better escapes atm
# [17:17] <Enn> mkaply: yes
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# [17:17] <NeilAway> Enn: well, that's what I see when I click on the design mode frame, but when I tab to it, I find that the <HTML> element is focused
# [17:17] <edmorley> mak: agreed
# [17:17] <Enn> NeilAway: you might ask masayuki as he is more familar with this. Also, he implemented it.
# [17:17] <mkaply> Enn: I was trying to make backdrag work on a panel. It looks like it only works if you drag on the actual panel? So if you put a XUL hbox or vbox in the panel, for instance, you can't drag it. Is there anyway to have the drag events go through to the actual panel?
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# [17:18] <@khuey> Jesse: hey, does your fuzzer play with XHR at all?
# [17:18] <NeilAway> Enn: well, I'll file a bug
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# [17:18] <@khuey> Jesse: in particular setting/modifying properties/etc?
# [17:18] <Enn> mkaply: it should allow dragging on an hbox or vbox over any background area
# [17:19] <Enn> mkaply: you could always try adding mousethrough="always"
# [17:19] <mkaply> Enn: I just realized I bet the problem is that I'm using an XBL binding inside the panel. And that's where the hbox/vbox is. So my element covers the whole panel. I'll try that.
# [17:19] <Jesse> khuey: not really
# [17:20] <@khuey> Jesse: ok
# [17:20] <@khuey> Jesse: so ... we're going to land a new DOM binding for XHR today
# [17:20] <@khuey> Jesse: so that might be kind of nice
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# [17:20] <mkaply> Enn: mousethrough works perfectly. Thanks.
# [17:21] <Jesse> khuey: what properties should i test? do i need a server or can i fire them at nothing?
# [17:22] <@khuey> Jesse: XHR works with data URLS, IIRC
# [17:22] <@khuey> so no server required
# [17:23] <@ted> or blobs
# [17:23] <mkaply> khuey: or chrome URLs
# [17:23] <@khuey> Jesse: I think we're mostly interested in calling the methods or invoking getters with weird arguments
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# [17:23] <@khuey> mkaply: well content can't XHR to a chrome URL
# [17:23] <@khuey> I hope!
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# [17:24] <mkaply> khuey: true :)
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# [17:26] <bjacob_> how do i get the running linux kernel version? we must know that, since it's in crash reports
# [17:27] <@ted> pretty sure that just runs uname
# [17:27] <bjacob_> ted: if we already run it, i'd like to reuse its result rather than rerun uname
# [17:27] <@ted> lemme see
# [17:27] <NeilAway> well, some chrome URLs are contentaccessible ;-)
# [17:27] <@ted> we probably don't run it till we crash, tho
# [17:27] <bjacob_> ted: ah
# [17:27] <bjacob_> ted: i guess i
# [17:28] <bjacob_> ted: i guess i'd still be interested in The Right Way to run uname
# [17:28] <@ted> bjacob_: oh, it calls uname()
# [17:28] <@ted> i forgot that's a function too
# [17:28] <bjacob_> ted: ah
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# [17:29] <bjacob_> ted: oh yeah, man 2 uname
# [17:29] <@ted> yup
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# [17:42] <Joeh> Totally off-topic, but I'm excited i got it. http://tinyurl.com/bmu8gvk
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# [18:03] * @smaug should review hsivonen's über-difficult-to-review patch :/
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# [18:05] <bjacob_> smaug: if it's more than 40k, ask for a split!
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# [18:06] <@smaug> bjacob_: it is a small patch
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# [18:06] <@smaug> but requires reading ancient CVS blame and what not
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# [18:07] <bjacob_> then ask for hsivonen to do that cvs blame work for you?
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# [18:11] <NeilAway> bah, you can't comment anyway after an attachment mid-air :-(
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# [18:14] <KaiRo> bah, arewefastyet is dead
# [18:15] <jhammel> maybe its just slow to load? :P
# [18:15] <KaiRo> jhammel: no, "Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at arewefastyet.com."
# [18:15] <jhammel> that's how slow it is!
# [18:15] * KaiRo also wonders why it says "Firefox" and not "Nightly" in that message
# [18:16] <KaiRo> jhammel: heh, we respond pretty fast though
# [18:16] <KaiRo> "we" as in "Nightly"
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# [18:19] <@smaug> ttaubert: ping
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# [18:23] <@smaug> ttaubert: nm. added comment to the bug
# [18:23] <sheppy> Do we have plans to support desktop/laptop webcams for image file inputs, like we do on phones?
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# [18:25] <mbrubeck> KaiRo: Hmm, looks like a bug in Fennec and b2g as well as desktop Firefox... https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=Firefox+can%27t+establish&find=&findi=&;filter=^[^\0]*%24&hitlimit=&tree=mozilla-central
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# [18:30] <@ted> sheppy: yes
# [18:31] <ttaubert> smaug: thanks for reviewing!
# [18:31] <sheppy> ted: good to know
# [18:31] <@ted> sheppy: there are patches that implement that that apply on the alder tree (as part of the webrtc work)
# [18:31] <sheppy> ted: awesome
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# [18:31] <@ted> sheppy: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=692955
# [18:32] <sheppy> ted: and already dev-doc-needed; excellent. thanks!
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# [18:33] <@smaug> ttaubert: thanks for fixing that strange stuff
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# [18:33] <Pike> KaiRo: maybe bug 336029
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# [18:34] <fox> sheppy, ping
# [18:35] <sheppy> fox: pong
# [18:35] <jesup> sheppy: Old feature page is for <input>; https://wiki.mozilla.org/Platform/Features/Camera_API -- a new page based on navigator.getUserMedia() will be created next week
# [18:35] <fox> sheppy, hi! I was looking at the projects for gsoc
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# [18:35] <sheppy> jesup: good to know
# [18:35] <fox> i'm an italian student and i'm interested in kuma interation with js fiddle
# [18:35] <sheppy> fox: OK.
# [18:35] <omn> i am interested in the silverfox project for gsoc..can anyone answer some questions for me?
# [18:36] <fox> i'd like to have some more information about that project
# [18:36] <sheppy> fox: why don't we talk in #mdndev instead of cluttering up this channel. :)
# [18:36] <fox> sheppy, oh yes, sorry!
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# [18:38] <omn> can i ask some questions about the silverfox project for gsoc here?
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# [18:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a78d2f8055e7 - Matthew Noorenberghe - Bug 557890 - Update Google search suggestion URL. r=gavin,mfinkle
# [18:39] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/51e463e400d0 - Panos Astithas - Bug 739995 - Intermittent test failures in browser_dbg_bug723069_editor-breakpoints.js and others | Found the expected number of scripts. - Got 3, expected 2, followed by other
# [18:39] <firebot> errors; r=rcampbell
# [18:39] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/401804642db1 - Panos Astithas - Bug 723563 - Use findScripts to retrieve the list of scripts known to the debugger; r=rcampbell
# [18:39] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/945faa47b627 - Tim Taubert - merge m-c to fx-team
# [18:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e91b6175dceb - Raymond Lee - Bug 712203 - 'Next tab group' keyboard shortcut doesn't work after 'restore previous session'; r=ttaubert
# [18:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7cc16b3f172d - Frank Yan - Bug 740235 - Prevent about:home from creating a full window component alpha layer. r=mak
# [18:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b1455bac2454 - Raymond Lee - Bug 733115 - After creating a new tab group, 2nd RETURN should open that group; r=ttaubert
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# [18:41] <omn> jaws: hi, can i talk to you about the silverfox project?
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# [18:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8bf3120ed0f8 - Mounir Lamouri - Bug 740190 - Screen Orientation API: implement locking in Android. r=dougt
# [18:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d8aa32fa5531 - Mounir Lamouri - Bug 740188 - Screen Orientation API locking (2/3): security model. r=smaug
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# [18:52] <Matt> does anyone know how to register XPCOM components in a bootstrapped extension?
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# [18:52] <Matt> oops, left the wrong room
# [18:52] <Matt> I have an XPCOM component in JS that I want to register
# [18:53] <@smaug> Matt: the same way you can register those mochitests?
# [18:53] <sheppy> fwiw, Matt, I don't know, but when you find out, let me know so I can make sure it's covered in docs. :)
# [18:53] <Matt> smaug: which mochitests?
# [18:53] <Matt> I guess I have to call the component manager by hand somehow
# [18:53] <@smaug> IIRC geolocation does that
# [18:53] <Matt> that's an extension?
# [18:53] <@smaug> dougt ^
# [18:53] <Matt> ah
# [18:54] <Mossop> Components.manager...
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# [18:54] <Matt> I'm surprised that addBootstrappedManifestLocation doesn't help but it doesn't
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# [18:54] <Matt> Mossop: … == ???
# [18:55] <Matt> isn't it nsIComponentManager?
# [18:55] <Mossop> Also nsIComponentRegistrar
# [18:55] <Matt> ah
# [18:55] <@smaug> Matt: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=ComponentManager&;find=\.htm&findi=\.htm&filter=^[^\0]*%24&hitlimit=&tree=mozilla-central
# [18:55] <Matt> crud so I can't just point it at the .manifest?
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# [18:57] <dougt> Matt: do you want to register it at runtime?
# [18:57] <Matt> dougt: yeah
# [18:57] <dougt> yeah, use the registrar
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# [18:58] <Matt> so all the component definitions go into bootstrap.js
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# [18:59] <sheppy> Someone should write a doc about how to do that.
# [18:59] <Matt> +1
# [18:59] * sheppy looks at dougt and Mossop.
# [18:59] <Matt> I googled till my fingers bled
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# [19:00] <Mossop> sheppy: Can you buy me some spare time?
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# [19:00] <sheppy> Done.
# [19:01] <ddahl> khuey: ping
# [19:01] <Mossop> That has already been spent
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# [19:01] <dougt> sheppy: i did
# [19:01] <jhammel> you can hardly blame sheppy for that
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# [19:01] <sheppy> jhammel: thank you!
# [19:01] <sheppy> dougt: really? where is it...?
# [19:02] <@khuey> ddahl: hi
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# [19:03] <ddahl> khuey: so we should pick a place to put the identity code
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# [19:03] <Mossop> All I can give you is an example from tests: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/mozapps/extensions/test/xpcshell/head_addons.js#29 or the module I use which also handles unregistering when the add-on is disabled: https://github.com/Mossop/WebAppTabs/blob/master/src/modules/OverlayManager.jsm
# [19:03] <ddahl> khuey: i imagine you will land your bits in dom/
# [19:03] <ddahl> dom/base maybe?
# [19:04] <@khuey> probably
# [19:04] <ddahl> khuey: I can add my js component and jsm there as well, unless we want to do dom/base/identity or something
# [19:04] <@khuey> so
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# [19:04] <@khuey> I was imagining we'd stick it in toolkit/
# [19:04] <ddahl> i am refactoring it all now with the native bindings in mind and want to move it all out of sevrices/
# [19:05] <@khuey> which is why I asked for toolkit::identity as the component ;-)
# [19:05] <ddahl> khuey: is it really toolkit code though?
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# [19:05] <@khuey> well toolkit seems to be a collection of random stuff
# [19:05] <@khuey> so who knows!
# [19:05] <@khuey> here's the thing
# [19:06] <Mossop> khuey: orly?
# [19:06] <ddahl> maybe mossop has an opinion about Identity code
# [19:06] <ddahl> landing in toolkit/
# [19:06] <@khuey> the identity service and that stuff is not really DOM code
# [19:06] <JonathanS> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-montenegro-httpbis-speed-mobility-01 -_-
# [19:06] <@khuey> because a) the DOM peers aren't going to maintain it
# [19:06] <ddahl> khuey: indeed, but it is all exposed via the dom
# [19:06] <@khuey> and b) lots of other things are going to use it without going through the DOM
# [19:06] <ddahl> good point
# [19:06] <ddahl> true
# [19:07] <Mossop> indexeddb is on dom and is usable without going through the DOM ;)
# [19:07] <ddahl> Mossop fires back
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# [19:07] <@khuey> I can back out gabor's patch if it means I win this discussion
# [19:07] <NeilAway> Enn: hmm, so I don't see how nsFocusManager::MoveFocus can return null in the case of moving focus into a design mode document
# [19:07] <ddahl> khuey's snark is legendary
# [19:07] <@khuey> anyways, I don't know where to put it
# [19:08] <ddahl> i just know it wont be in services/
# [19:08] <@khuey> and in the past stuff that doesn't belong anywhere has seemed to end up in toolkit
# [19:08] <@khuey> but maybe I'm wrong
# [19:08] <Mossop> Yeah, it's become a dumping ground, which isn't a good thing
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# [19:08] <Mossop> ddahl: Is this largely C++ code?
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# [19:08] <ddahl> Mossop: this will mainly be JS
# [19:08] <@khuey> ddahl: why aren't we sticking it in services?
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# [19:09] <ddahl> khuey: cuz it is not services code - they will consume it however
# [19:09] <Mossop> Who will be using this code?
# [19:09] <ddahl> Mossop: i can see this being a shim XPCOM comp. and a single jsm fo rnow
# [19:10] <@khuey> Mossop: at the moment, the DOM, in the future, probably sync and "log in to the browser"
# [19:10] <ddahl> Mossop: calls from nav.id will call into the jsm via the component
# [19:10] <@khuey> whatever that is
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# [19:10] <ddahl> later, services will also do auth via this code but not via dom
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# [19:12] <@khuey> ddahl: so I don't have an answer, but dom/ is not it
# [19:12] <ddahl> becasue of the multiple consumers, it does feel toolkitish, but not necessarily in the sense of all gecko apps using this code
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# [19:12] <ddahl> khuey: thats a good start then
# [19:12] <@khuey> well, there will be at least 3 gecko apps using the code
# [19:12] <ddahl> khuey: ok, was unsure
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# [19:13] <ddahl> Mossop: well - what do you think? I hate to dump it into toolkit without some discussion...
# [19:14] <ddahl> if so, where would be appropriate - perhaps just for these patches I need to re-factor?
# [19:14] <Mossop> I'd hate to dump it into toolkit
# [19:14] <ddahl> ok
# [19:14] <Mossop> But I don't know why it matters much tbh
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# [19:14] <ddahl> Mossop: I don't either
# [19:14] <Mossop> You're going to own it wherever it ends up :p
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# [19:15] <ddahl> i just want to avoid a painful code move
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# [19:15] <ddahl> Mossop: heh
# [19:15] * @smaug doesn't know what ddahl is implementing, but please don't dump it to dom/base
# [19:15] <ddahl> smaug: no problem
# [19:16] <@smaug> dom/base has already few things which don't belong there, like the webapps.jsm or some such
# [19:16] <ddahl> smaug: good to know
# [19:16] <ddahl> Mossop: the console toolkit -> browser move was painful
# [19:16] <Mossop> I am kind of surprised that this wouldn't be dom/identity though
# [19:16] <ddahl> Mossop: thats what I thought, but dom peers say it aint so:)
# [19:17] <gavin> which dom peers?
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# [19:17] <ddahl> gavin: ok, maybe not peers, but dom nerds
# [19:17] <gavin> don't care if they're peers or not, just wondering who it is :)
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# [19:18] <ddahl> smaug and khuey say so
# [19:18] * @smaug doesn't object dom/identity
# [19:18] <Mossop> This is really less a question of who will own the code and more a question of where it makes sense for the code to live, my understanding is that this is largely a DOM API so dom makes most sense to me
# [19:18] <ddahl> Mossop: yeah, but there are plans for sync consuming this code too
# [19:18] <@smaug> but I don't know what all the identity stuff will do
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# [19:18] <gavin> does the code exist yet?
# [19:18] <@smaug> so I can't say whether it should be in dom/identity or somewhere in toolkit
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# [19:19] <gavin> all these discussions about it seem so speculative
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# [19:19] <gavin> you don't need to decide where to put it until the code exists
# [19:19] <@smaug> yeah
# [19:19] <ddahl> smaug: there will be navigator.id.* for web apps to do login magic and below the surface more apis for internal firefox services to also authenticate
# [19:19] <gavin> navigator.id glue is clearly dom
# [19:19] <gavin> other parts (underlying implementation) might not be
# [19:19] <@smaug> yup
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# [19:19] <ddahl> gavin: i have a jsm and component and tests that i wrongly am coding in services/identity
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# [19:20] <ddahl> gavin: and all of this consumes some PSM apis
# [19:20] <ddahl> which will live there
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# [19:21] <gavin> bbl, meeting
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# [19:31] <Mossop> ddahl: So what actually is the code other than the DOM parts?
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# [19:34] <givanica> hi,I just finished building Firefox on windows and i was wondering if is there any documentation about the folders and files from the repository ...
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# [19:36] <givanica> if i want to make some changes in a file, where should i make this changes? where i build the browser, or in the repository files ?
# [19:36] <Mossop> The source files are where you make changes, then you rebuild, either in full or once you now what you're doing in the places you made changes in the object directory
# [19:37] <bnicholson> in the bugzilla rest api, is there a way to get just a certain field in the comments (e.g., comments.creator)?
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# [19:38] <ddahl> Mossop: here is the current patch - you can ignore the JS navigator property: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=600467&action=diff
# [19:38] <ddahl> Mossop: i attached it to the wrong bug
# [19:38] <jdm> bnicholson: nope.
# [19:38] <bnicholson> jdm: ok, thanks
# [19:38] <ddahl> Mossop: we are about to have an Core::Identity bugzilla component and i need to move this code
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# [19:39] <Mossop> Who decided on Core::Identity out of interest?
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# [19:43] <sheppy> Hm… I should put together an Automator task on my Mac that runs every day to update all my downloaded branches of Mozilla.
# [19:43] <sheppy> I have the code for Firefox 4 and up on here, all the way through beta, aurora, and nightly.
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# [19:44] <Mossop> ddahl: Where is domcrypt going?
# [19:44] <ddahl> Mossop: just did that for now - it seemed simple enough. If we do go toolkit we can change it
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# [19:44] <sheppy> John-Galt: Any relation? http://www.ebay.com/itm/150762964965 :)
# [19:44] <ddahl> Mossop: all of the crypto interfaces in PSM and so far, the DOM pieces will go into a refactored nsIDOMCrypto
# [19:45] <jhammel> "project pants"
# [19:45] <ddahl> Mossop: we are changing nsIDOMCrypto to only add new apis to mobile (for now)
# [19:45] <jhammel> why don't we get project pants?
# [19:46] <sheppy> jhammel: we are clearly not awesome enough
# [19:46] <sheppy> jhammel: we only get t-shirts
# [19:46] <ddahl> Mossop: as well as desktop, but the old legacy apis may never go into mobile releases
# [19:47] <Mossop> ddahl: Why is services wrong?
# [19:47] <John-Galt> sheppy: I think you just burned my eyes...
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# [19:48] <ddahl> Mossop: it is not services code. it is Identity team's code. there will be a services jsm or whatever that consumes these apis
# [19:48] <sheppy> John-Galt: lol - so I take it "no" :D
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# [19:48] <ddahl> the Identity team runs a service and will have gecko and web code create and maintain
# [19:49] <ddahl> Mossop: i was also confused by this
# [19:49] <ddahl> hence, my patch in services/identity
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# [19:51] <Mossop> I still don't get it
# [19:51] <Mossop> Who told you it wasn't services?
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# [20:00] <ddahl> Mossop: well, it has a service, but is a distinct group
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# [20:01] <ddahl> Mossop: there is an offical mozilla module for Identity now
# [20:01] <Mossop> Then you're definitely not putting it in toolkit ;)
# [20:01] <ddahl> Mossop: exactly
# [20:01] <ddahl> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Modules/All#BrowserID
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# [20:02] <ddahl> BrowserID module: (a) Server Code, (b) Server deployment (during labs / prototype phase); and (c) *navigator.id.* API across Mozilla codebases (desktop, mobile, WebRT,..)
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# [20:03] <Mossop> ddahl: I think services/identity makes sense for at least the bulk (whether the DOM API goes into dom/identity is another question). I'll punch anyone that disagrees
# [20:03] <ddahl> Mossop: does this mean we can establish src/identity/
# [20:03] <ddahl> Mossop: ok then, I just dont want to move it later
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# [20:04] <Mossop> ddahl: I think you had more of a problem moving the console because of all of the UI involved. The code you have there should be extremely simple to move around
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# [20:16] <@smaug> hsivonen: ping
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# [20:20] <imelven> is there an easy way to look up hex values of nsresults ?
# [20:21] <Mook_as> imelven: http://james-ross.co.uk/mozilla/misc/nserror can be useful
# [20:21] <@khuey> http://silver.warwickcompsoc.co.uk/mozilla/misc/nserror_list
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# [20:21] <@smaug> hsivonen: ok, r+. Those serialization patches give me headache :/
# [20:22] <imelven> perfect, thanks Mook_as and khuey, exactly what i was looking for :)
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# [20:27] <zpao> edmorley: ping
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# [20:28] <edmorley> zpao: pong
# [20:28] <zpao> edmorley: it looks like none of the bugs from the m-i merge to m-c got updated
# [20:28] <edmorley> zpao: yeah it's on my list after I've made dinner :-)
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# [20:29] <zpao> ok, just making sure! thanks for being a merge champion :)
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# [20:29] <edmorley> zpao: thanks for checking, and no problem :-)
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# [20:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/1f37e7e66d47 - Marco Bonardo - Bug 740581 - Make about:home's Sync button label not directly use the brand string.
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# [20:52] <WG9s> philor: ping
# [20:52] <WG9s> !seen philor
# [20:52] <firebot> philor was last seen 47 minutes and 46 seconds ago, changing nick to philor|afk.
# [20:52] * WG9s thinks perhaps he should have done the second thing first ;-)
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# [20:54] <glandium> zpao: fyi, the new version of about:startup was in the amo review queue.
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# [20:55] <zpao> glandium: yea, i saw that a while after i poked you. i didn't want to bother you again though. at least the broken version resulted in a real bug being filed
# [20:55] <glandium> zpao: about the consts leaking?
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# [20:56] <zpao> glandium: yea, the constants should be injected _before_ loading bootstrap.js, and also there wasn't enough/any? error handling around that whole thing
# [20:56] * zpao lost the bug number but Mossop would know if you're interested
# [20:57] <zpao> bug 740612
# [20:57] <glandium> thanks
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# [21:12] <smontagu> ehsan: "When we see a new content node with @dir=auto from the parser" -- does this seeing happen in BindToTree or somewhere else?
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# [21:13] <@ehsan> smontagu: it's BindToTree, but you can tell whether a node comes from the parser or not
# [21:13] <@ehsan> let me dig up an example for you
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# [21:14] <@ehsan> smontagu: when a new html element gets created, a FromParser param gets passed to the constructor
# [21:14] <jorendorff> Does anyone have a sec to school me on the various kinds of global object we have in Gecko?
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# [21:14] <@ehsan> smontagu: see nsHTMLInputElement for example
# [21:14] <jorendorff> I am not gonna lie… it might take more than an actual second...
# [21:14] <@ehsan> this is how you can tell whether a node is coming from the parser or not
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# [21:16] <smontagu> ehsan: nsHTMLInputElement::BindToTree?
# [21:17] <smontagu> or the mParserCreating that comes up in other places?
# [21:17] <@ehsan> smontagu: no, check out the mParserCrating member
# [21:17] <@ehsan> right
# [21:17] <smontagu> ok
# [21:17] <@ehsan> nsHTMLInputElement doesn't use this in BindToTree
# [21:17] <@ehsan> cause it doesn't need to
# [21:17] <smontagu> enlightenment is slow
# [21:18] <@ehsan> :)
# [21:18] <@ehsan> this stuff is weird
# [21:20] <smontagu> what about nsGenericHTMLElement::ParseAttribute?
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# [21:22] <@dbaron> (while pushing to try... push seems to have worked otherwise, though)
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# [21:29] * WG9s can;t even beat philor to starring when he is afk! ;-)
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# [21:30] <WG9s> s/can;t/can't/
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# [21:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/4c43cfe73516 - Olli Pettay - Bug 734151 - remove new lines from the class in the CC log, r=bsmedberg
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# [21:34] <WG9s> philor|afk: you seem to be able to star faster than me even though you are afk! ;-)
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# [21:36] <philor|afk> getting the jack installed takes a while, but then everything's way faster than using a keyboard
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# [21:38] <espindola> jrmuizel, is enn in?
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# [21:39] <espindola> ok, thanks
# [21:39] <Callek> philor: fyi, my tegra verify script is now deployed to everything, so any "huh wtf is this" errors please ping me
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# [21:39] <Callek> philor: since you're one of the ONLY people who actually star/look at tegra errors
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# [21:43] <philor> Callek: I was once, now I think RyanVM is the only one still looking at them
# [21:44] <Callek> philor: well my goal is to make it so android *is* cared about when an error happens, by making errors happen much much less infrequently
# [21:44] <Callek> todays deploy won't get us there, but if I have anything to do/say about it we will
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# [21:44] <WG9s> Callek: I do on days when I have time depending on my real work schedule.
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# [21:44] <Callek> I'm hoping that we'll get down to <3% of jobs intermittent failure, and <1% failure due to automation fails
# [21:45] <WG9s> So mainly on weekned.s
# [21:45] <WG9s> weekends
# [21:45] <Callek> either way, for any real "wtf" moments when looking at android fails, feel free to ping me for the next while
# [21:45] <Callek> I'm accumulating knowledge about these, at the same time as trying to be sure my own changes don't regress anything
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# [22:02] <jphan1> hi guys i need some help i have an assignment for a class in which i have to search for a bug and fix it and submit it
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# [22:02] <avih> dup from #introduction - any idea why AddRefreshObserver causes a crash after one callback invocation? I've derived my class from nsARefreshObserver (was only nsIReflowCallback before, now derived from both), added NS_INLINE_DECL_REFCOUNTING(<my-class>), and the callback function does nothing other than debug print, and the object exists (99% sure of that) for at least the 2nd callback (but it crashes before that). the first callback
# [22:02] <avih> succeeds, and i can see the debug print.
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# [22:06] <@bsmedberg> jesup: pong
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# [22:08] <jesup> hi - we're trying to put together some people to talk about Windows build/dll issues for WebRTC next week. (Kyle was working with us, and the upshot was basically "oh, that doesn't work - we end up with a circular dependency.")
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# [22:09] <jorendorff> bsmedberg: can you direct me to someone who can answer my dumb questions about global objects in Gecko?
# [22:09] <@bsmedberg> jorendorff: by "global objects" do you mean JS globals or C++ globals?
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# [22:09] <jorendorff> bsmedberg: JS globals. sorry.
# [22:09] <jesup> Basically we have things in media/webrtc/etc that want to access stuff in xul (logging, threads, ipc, etc), but on windows they're in the gkmedia dll, and can't
# [22:09] <@bsmedberg> jorendorff: mrbkap and bholley?
# [22:09] <@smaug> or jst or bz
# [22:09] <@bsmedberg> jorendorff: I can possibly answer *some* questions, but my knowledge is broad and shallow, not deep
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# [22:10] <jorendorff> yeah… it's just that the questions i'm asking require some context
# [22:10] <@bsmedberg> jesup: why are they in the gkmedia dll?
# [22:10] <jorendorff> which takes a while to establish
# [22:10] <jesup> We could import extra copies of some stuff and/or reimplement, but that's not a great solution
# [22:10] <jorendorff> mrbkap is probably my man but he's usuallyhard to reach
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# [22:11] <jesup> Because they're part of webrtc, and webrtc is huge
# [22:11] <@bsmedberg> jorendorff: I think bholley is your alternate man nowadays
# [22:11] <jst> jorendorff: I'd try bholley, but you won't find him until Monday I think
# [22:11] <jorendorff> ok
# [22:11] <jorendorff> great.
# [22:11] <@bsmedberg> jesup: which begs the question, why is webrtc in gkmedias?
# [22:11] <jesup> We *could* move all of webrtc back to xul, but that might well put us over the linker limit again
# [22:12] <jst> jorendorff: I can try to help if you can't wait
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# [22:12] <jst> jorendorff: but I'm drifting further and further away from the details here
# [22:12] <jorendorff> yeah
# [22:12] <@bsmedberg> jesup: it sounds to me that if you require threading or logging beyond NSPR, then you really do want to be in libxul, not gkmedias
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# [22:12] <jesup> bsmedberg: all told, several MB of executable
# [22:13] <@bsmedberg> jesup: what kind of code is webrtc?
# [22:13] <jorendorff> jst: ok, so I'm writing a debugger for chrome, and one of the things it must be able to do is list all the global objects.
# [22:13] <jst> k
# [22:13] <@bsmedberg> I mean, are there external libraries we're importing which could live in gkmedias
# [22:13] <jorendorff> jst: for frame trees, this is nice and structured, and the code exists
# [22:13] <@bsmedberg> but glue code that should be in libxul?
# [22:13] <jesup> RIght now also it has a copy of libjingle, and that duplicates a lot of functionality in our code, and I'd like to expunge it over time
# [22:13] <jesup> http://webrtc.org/
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# [22:13] <jorendorff> jst: but all the other globals we have … there's no structure there. So I guess I am just going to make a function that returns them all.
# [22:14] <jorendorff> jst: Like, Components.utils.listAllGlobals()
# [22:14] <jesup> I already have the DOM code in xul (content/media)
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# [22:14] <jst> jorendorff: yeah, I don't know of a current way to enumerate all globals ever created
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# [22:14] <@smaug> jorendorff: once we have compartment-per-global (hopefully real soon), couldn't you iterate all the compartments?
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# [22:14] <jorendorff> yes
# [22:14] <jorendorff> implementing this is actually quite easy
# [22:15] <@bsmedberg> jorendorff: well, let's identify what kinds of globals there are
# [22:15] <@bsmedberg> 1) JS components and modules
# [22:15] <jorendorff> right so
# [22:15] <jorendorff> hang on
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# [22:15] <jorendorff> https://etherpad.mozilla.org/list-ALL-the-globals
# [22:15] <jesup> but one large piece (signaling code) depends on IPC and threads (and logging), and if I want to get rid of libjingle I'll need a bunch of other stuff I suspect. Maybe not enough to be a problem, but I haven't specced what will be needed
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# [22:15] <jorendorff> bsmedberg: ^ at about line 30 contains my understanding of all the global object types
# [22:16] <imelven> is there a way to log error console messages to a file or increase the scrollback in the error console ?
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# [22:16] <@bsmedberg> imelven: XRE_CONSOLE_LOG=/absolute/path
# [22:16] <imelven> bsmedberg: awesome, thanks very much !
# [22:17] <@bsmedberg> well, hrm
# [22:17] <jorendorff> bsmedberg: but go ahead
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# [22:17] <@bsmedberg> imelven: actually that appears to do it once at shutdown, so that won't help
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# [22:17] <jesup> I might also be able to move libjingle stuff to XUL as I convert it; I'd have to see. I think Kyle was thinking we need to export a few additional interfaces, but he found they're not built yet when they're needed by gkmedia (rough understanding, I wasn't there)
# [22:17] <jorendorff> so far we identified: content inner windows; chrome inner windows; .jsm module globals; Sandboxes; and lots and lots of crazy special cases we don't care about
# [22:17] <imelven> oh
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# [22:18] <jesup> khuey: ping
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# [22:18] <@bsmedberg> jorendorff: that's also what I can think of offhand
# [22:18] <jorendorff> bsmedberg: excellent! ok so
# [22:18] <edmorley> cpeterson, ehsan: thanks for marking those bugs :-)
# [22:18] <jesup> Looks like kyle's on now khuey: ^
# [22:19] <@ehsan> np!
# [22:19] <jorendorff> jst, bsmedberg: one question is, is it OK to return an inner window to (chrome) JS?
# [22:19] <@bsmedberg> jesup: well, you have basic threading and monitors/mutexes via NSPR
# [22:19] <jorendorff> i don't know if it's even possible
# [22:19] <@bsmedberg> jorendorff: I believe that it will be automatically wrapped to be safe
# [22:19] <cpeterson> edmorley, np. I thought you might have forgotten to mark the bug, but then I didn't want to step on your toes.. <:)
# [22:19] <jesup> bsmedberg: by far the majority of the code in webrtc is an imported library that doesn't depend on stuff from xul
# [22:19] <@bsmedberg> jorendorff: but yeah, you're getting out of my depth now ;-)
# [22:19] <jst> jorendorff: "ok" from a security point of view, sure
# [22:19] <@bsmedberg> jesup: I would just put *that* code in gkmedias, and everything else in libxul
# [22:20] <jst> jorendorff: but something we generally do, no
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# [22:20] <edmorley> cpeterson: just been one of those busy days :-)
# [22:20] <@khuey> jesup: hi
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# [22:20] <jst> jorendorff: inner windows generally should not be seen by anyone, other than as the scope that JS code runs in, and this sounds like something that would violate that
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# [22:21] <jesup> khuey: I was chatting with bsmedberg about the gkmedia/windows stuff. You were directly involved; what's the tl;dr?
# [22:21] <@khuey> jesup: about where to put webrtc?
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# [22:22] <jesup> yes
# [22:22] <jst> jorendorff: inner windows generally should not be seen by anyone, other than as the scope that JS code runs in, and this sounds like something that would violate that
# [22:23] <@khuey> jesup: sorry, but I really don't have time to have this conversation today
# [22:23] <jesup> np
# [22:23] <jst> jorendorff: but then again, a debugger is kinda expected to violate all kinds of things :)
# [22:23] * @khuey doesn't intent that to come off as badly as it probably does
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# [22:23] <@khuey> jesup: I'll be on and off PTO next week, but I'm happy to make some time to chat
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# [22:23] <jorendorff> jst: Right, exactly. Maybe I can return a JS object that simply *represents* that global object
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# [22:23] <jorendorff> jst: It just has to be something that uniquely identifies the global object I think
# [22:24] <jesup> khuey: any idea what would be a good time so I can line up people?
# [22:24] <jst> jorendorff: is returning something other than the outer window important here?
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# [22:24] <jorendorff> jst: I think so. Because suppose there's an outer window that currently has 3 inner windows existing.
# [22:25] <jorendorff> jst: Do I return the outer window 3 times?
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# [22:25] <jorendorff> I mean, it seems kind of weird.
# [22:25] <jst> jorendorff: good point
# [22:25] <@khuey> jesup: just propose something that's not monday
# [22:25] <@khuey> and it should work
# [22:25] <jesup> khuey: ok
# [22:25] <@khuey> I can show up for a meeting from my bedroom, I just want to not work for a while
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# [22:26] <jorendorff> jst: So is the chrome global object for something like the top-level browser window a split object? It is, right?
# [22:26] <jesup> I'll send email. No problem. Relax and kick back :-)
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# [22:27] <jst> jorendorff: it is, yes... it's one that's unlikely to ever be navigated, and thus there's not likely more than one inner for that outer
# [22:27] <jorendorff> ok.
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# [22:27] <jst> jorendorff: but it's certainly possible that there's an inner for the original about:blank that was created for that outer chrome window hanging around etc
# [22:28] <jst> jorendorff: I can't immediately think of anything that would make returning the inner objects directly bad here, but if they ever leaked out and got used as window objects then bad things could happen
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# [22:29] <jorendorff> OK. It would be nice to find some other way. :-\
# [22:29] <jorendorff> Thanks.
# [22:29] <jorendorff> jst: All my other questions are like, "once we have a global object is there any way to tell what it is?"
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# [22:30] <jorendorff> jst: So for example, given a global object, can I get the URI of its nsPrincipal?
# [22:30] <jorendorff> (from JS, I mean)
# [22:31] <NeilAway> bah, BrowserQuest is giving me Warning: Unresponsive script (Not Responding)
# [22:31] <jst> jorendorff: if it's a DOM global, then you can dig that out of it yes
# [22:31] <jst> jorendorff: if it's not, then it's harder
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# [22:31] <jst> jorendorff: the uri in its principal will be stored in the compartment once we have cpg
# [22:32] <jst> but until then, that's not reliable
# [22:32] <jorendorff> ok
# [22:32] <jst> nor does it give you anything useful for chrome URIs
# [22:32] <jorendorff> it'll be stored in the JSCompartment, like just a field that I can look at?
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# [22:32] <jst> jorendorff: yeah, already is, except it's shared per origin now
# [22:33] <jorendorff> jst: I think DOM globals should be pretty easy to identify -- but I still don't really know how to do it
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# [22:33] <jorendorff> jst: and having identified one, it seems like I should be able to use the x-ray wrapper to get everything i need
# [22:33] <jorendorff> what i mean by "identify" is just it's easy to tell if a global is a DOM global or not
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# [22:34] <GPHemsley> edmorley: Thanks for the merge. :)
# [22:34] <jst> jorendorff: yes, basically if the window name is Window or ChromeWindow it's a DOM global
# [22:34] <jorendorff> but I don't know about that either -- for example, will .location.href reliably tell me what page is loaded in this DOM winow?
# [22:34] <jorendorff> jst: oh, brilliant. we're talking about the JSClass name, right?
# [22:35] <jst> jorendorff: yes, sorry, class name, not window name
# [22:35] <jorendorff> jst: and "BackstagePass" is some other kind of chrome global?
# [22:35] <edmorley> GPHemsley: np :-)
# [22:35] <jst> jorendorff: and location.href (or location.toString()) should be reliable, but that could give you something like "javascript:..." or "data:..."
# [22:36] <Mook_as> jorendorff: it's used for things like JS components, yeah
# [22:36] <jst> jorendorff: BackStagePass is what we use for components n' stuff
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# [22:37] <jst> jorendorff: you can use window.document.nodePrincipal to get the principal, which will give you the actual origin, even if the case where you're dealing wiht a window loaded from a javascript: URI etc
# [22:37] <jorendorff> this is exactly what i need
# [22:38] <jst> jorendorff: from the principal you can extract the URI
# [22:38] <jphan1> is everyone here a developer?
# [22:38] <jorendorff> right.
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# [22:38] <jorendorff> jphan1: except for the ones who are dogs
# [22:38] <jst> jphan1: not necessarily
# [22:38] <Mook_as> and killer is just a smartass
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# [22:39] <jphan1> oh i need help getting started i have this assignment for a class in which i need to work on a bug and submit it
# [22:39] <jphan1> but i also need to verify that i talk to a developer
# [22:39] <jorendorff> jphan1: How long does this assignment last?
# [22:40] <Mook_as> jphan1: you may be interested in #introduction as well - that's more of a help-oriented channel.
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# [22:40] <jphan1> probably 8 weeks
# [22:40] <jphan1> we need to submit 2 bugs
# [22:40] <jphan1> my first assignment right now is just to find a bug and build and run firefox which i am currently working on
# [22:40] <jorendorff> that's ambitious for 8 weeks
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# [22:41] <mconnor> jorendorff: fixing 2 bugs is ambitious?
# [22:42] <Callek> NeilAway: you can install it yourself and run it
# [22:42] <jphan1> well the first bug patch submission would be due april 24th
# [22:42] <Callek> github.com/mozilla/BrowserQuest
# [22:42] <jorendorff> mconnor: I guess I'm not the person to say either way, but join #seneca and ask humph
# [22:43] <humph> "depends"
# [22:43] <mconnor> jorendorff: humph's been doing that course for like five years, I'm pretty sure he'd know if it's too hard :)
# [22:43] <humph> 2 of the right sized bugs is doable for sure
# [22:43] <jorendorff> a semester is enough time to experience the Five Stages of Total Confusion
# [22:44] <humph> but not for everyone ime
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# [22:44] <jphan1> its not even a semester its a quarter
# [22:44] <jorendorff> jphan1: are you in college? what year?
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# [22:44] <jphan1> yes im in college this is my 5th year
# [22:44] <NeilAway> Callek: no useful instructions there
# [22:44] <espindola> gps, you got a "lucky" when you updated clang :-)
# [22:45] <jorendorff> ok, it's ambitious but definitely doable
# [22:45] <humph> agreed
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# [22:45] <jphan1> im taking a software enginnering class that is giving this assignment
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# [22:45] <humph> jphan1: you need a prof/project that will accept process over product
# [22:45] <jphan1> i just need help getting started like what would be a good beginner bug to start off with and i have also looked at the "good" first bugs section but im just a bit lost
# [22:45] <humph> then it can work
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# [22:46] <jphan1> humph what do u mean?
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# [22:47] <jorendorff> ok, you need a good first bug. let me see if i've got anything.
# [22:47] <humph> I mean, for example, finding your bugs takes time. finding your way through the code takes time, tools take time, getting reviews takes time, etc
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# [22:47] <humph> if the only thing your prof cares about is a finished product, there is a lot of risk
# [22:47] <humph> if they want you to have a real experience, it's gold
# [22:47] <jorendorff> jphan1: you don't happen to know a lot about 3d graphics or games, do you?
# [22:47] <jphan1> yes
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# [22:47] <jphan1> no i dont
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# [22:47] <jorendorff> just checking :)
# [22:47] <jphan1> kk
# [22:48] <humph> jphan1: jaws has just done this as well with some studets at cmu
# [22:48] <gps> espindola: just my luck :)
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# [22:48] <humph> he may have some bugs in his pocket
# [22:48] <jorendorff> paul: ping
# [22:48] <jphan1> humph who is this jaws guy? im sorry im new to all of this
# [22:49] <humph> jphan1: this is what takes time :)
# [22:49] <humph> jaws: ping
# [22:49] <sheppy> code shark
# [22:49] <jaws> humph: pong, reading scrollback
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# [22:49] <jphan1> humph and jorendorff yeah and i appreciate ur help guys thanks
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# [22:50] <jorendorff> jphan1: glad to help. You need a buddy. If 3 days go by, and you still don't have a bug to work on, ping us again. We don't mind.
# [22:50] <jorendorff> I think bug 702581 is a good one. I wish paul were here.
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# [22:50] <jphan1> let me take a look at that jorendorff
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# [22:51] <humph> jphan1: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=737097 is one I want done
# [22:51] <jorendorff> jphan1: There's not much to see, I'm afraid. "Style Inspector" is what you see when you right-click and select "Inspect Element", then click the "Style" button.
# [22:52] <jorendorff> humph: that's a great small bug
# [22:52] <humph> I think so too
# [22:53] <humph> requires cross platform dev, which might be hard if you dont' have access to all the boxes
# [22:53] <jphan1> so this bug is only for mac?
# [22:53] <humph> no, win, linux, and mac
# [22:53] <jphan1> oh ok
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# [22:53] <jphan1> cause i dont have access to a mac
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# [22:54] <jaws> hi jphan1, are you familiar with CSS?
# [22:54] <jphan1> jaws im sorry no
# [22:55] <jphan1> c++ and java is fine though
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# [22:55] <jorendorff> jphan1: What about the DOM, are you familiar with that?
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# [22:55] <jphan1> jorendorff no sorry
# [22:56] <jaws> fennec native might have some java work
# [22:56] <humph> the risk there is a smaller number of people to ask for help
# [22:56] <jaws> jphan1: you might want to ask in #mobile if there are any good first bugs in the java parts of the fennec native codebase
# [22:56] <jaws> yeah that's true
# [22:56] <jphan1> i see
# [22:56] <jphan1> waht about any in c++?
# [22:57] <humph> tons
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# [22:57] <jphan1> thats good
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# [22:58] <jaws> jphan1: http://www.joshmatthews.net/bugsahoy/?cpp=1
# [22:58] <jorendorff> jphan1: OK, do you know JavaScript?
# [22:58] <jphan1> humph btw that bug u posted is taht in firefox?
# [22:58] <jdm> jphan1: yes it is
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# [22:58] <jesup> Anyone know a way to convert a ScreenFlow .scc (screencast save file) file into something we can view on Windows or linux? (don't have a mac or ScreenFlow)
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# [22:58] <humph> jphan1: the c++ stuff is below firefox proper, which is js/css, etc
# [22:58] <humph> there's a runtime that firefox sits on
# [22:59] <jphan1> jorendorff i dont know javascript but i cant see how hard it is to learn it
# [22:59] <jhammel> jphan1: if you know c++, javascript is easy ;)
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# [22:59] <jorendorff> yeah, if you can survive C++ you can do anything :)
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# [22:59] <jphan1> thanks jhammel
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# [23:01] <mwu> jesup: no gl passthrough for linux?
# [23:01] <mwu> I think it's suppose to work the other way around at least
# [23:01] <humph> jphan1: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739130 would be a good first one I bet
# [23:01] <jesup> Tried and it didn't work; about:support showed no-go for GL
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# [23:02] <humph> jphan1: will teach you your way around the process without bogging down in a huge first one
# [23:02] <jphan1> i see
# [23:03] <jesup> mwu: in VirtualBox I have Acceleration: 3D (though it also says memory 128MB, which is the max) and 3D is checked in the Setting for that VM
# [23:03] <jdm> humph: looks like someone else is already working on it
# [23:03] <humph> mmm
# [23:03] <@dolske> woah woah woah... philikon landed directly on m-c? No merge from a branch?!
# [23:04] <@dolske> did someone comprimise his account?!
# [23:04] <Mossop> philikon has landed!
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# [23:04] <jphan1> jdm good catch i didnt notice that too
# [23:04] <@dolske> (this was on tuesday, btw, going through this week's activity :)
# [23:04] <humph> jphan1: something *like* that is what I recommend to start
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# [23:05] <jphan1> humph alright my friend took this same class last quarter and he did chose a few bugs was and was assigned to it but then someone fixed it already
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# [23:05] <humph> jphan1: yeah, that sucks. you have to have a buddy, as jorendorff suggests
# [23:06] <humph> or it can be hard to navigate at first (or ever for that matter)
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# [23:06] <philikon> Mossop: i did what?
# [23:06] <jphan1> humph thanks
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# [23:06] <philikon> dolske: i don't always land on m-c, but when I do, i use DONTBUILD :D
# [23:06] <jphan1> im still looking at this one
# [23:06] <jphan1> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=737097
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# [23:07] <jphan1> so if i chose to do that one how do i assign myself to it
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# [23:07] <jdm> jphan1: leave a comment indicating that you're going to work on it
# [23:07] <humph> we can help you
# [23:07] <@dolske> philikon++ :)
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# [23:07] <jdm> jphan1: out of curiosity, are you at CSU Ponoma?
# [23:08] <jphan1> jdm yes i am
# [23:08] <jdm> cool; welcome!
# [23:08] <jphan1> jdm are u there too?
# [23:08] <jdm> nope, but I was in contact with a number of students from that class last term
# [23:08] <WG9s> philikon: not sure if that is better or worse. Only better if it is 100% certain that the change will not impact any of the mozilla-central builds or tests otherwise lanind on mozilla-central with DONTBUILD si worse that landing without DONTBUILD.
# [23:08] <jdm> assuming it's the Open Source Excursions one
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# [23:09] <jphan1> yes it is jdm
# [23:09] <humph> jphan1: #introduction is probably teh right channel for this, btw
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# [23:09] <jphan1> thanks humph i was in there earlier and there was no one talking so my friend told me to try the devlopers one
# [23:10] <humph> yeah, this is fine, just fyi for later
# [23:10] <humph> you're welcome here too
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# [23:10] <jphan1> alright thanks!
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# [23:10] <philikon> WG9s: uh yes. that's what that means
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# [23:11] <WG9s> In fact I am not sure we should not have the DONTBUILD hook runnign mon mozilla-central and reaquire all DONTBUILD pathces to land on inbound first.
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# [23:11] <philikon> fair
# [23:11] <WG9s> I know that is what it means
# [23:11] <@smaug> ok, no more reviews this month
# [23:11] <philikon> WG9s: there's lots of b2g stuff that's not part of a firefox build or the test suites
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# [23:11] <WG9s> but some people psoting patches seem to not have a clue, unfortunately.
# [23:11] <philikon> this is changing now
# [23:11] <philikon> so i'm no longer doing this
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# [23:11] <philikon> WG9s: that's why we require level 3 access
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# [23:13] <WG9s> I guess but my feleling has always been access level have been granted on more political reasons than technical people know what they are doing reasons.
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# [23:15] <mick_laptop> out of curiousity, how feasible would it be to port firefox to iOS?
# [23:15] <humph> ask ted :)
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# [23:15] <mick_laptop> and is anyone working on it
# [23:15] <humph> ted had a port
# [23:15] <mick_laptop> perhaps my second question has already been answered :)
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# [23:16] <jphan1> humh is there any other bugs u would recommend me?
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# [23:16] <humph> jphan1: if I had time I could look, ping me monday?
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# [23:16] <jphan1> ok i can try
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# [23:17] <WG9s> philikon: In case you don;t understand the process for getting bugzilla priviliges involves citing bugs you wnated to confirm and what your confirmation process was and patches you submitted.
# [23:17] <WG9s> it is a technical revies
# [23:17] <jdm> mick_laptop: nobody is working on it at this point. any port would only work on jailbroken iOS devices, which limits the utility.
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# [23:18] <WG9s> For codde level acces it is all a someone vouched for me process. it is completely political and no technical process at all.
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# [23:18] <philikon> WG9s: that's true, although there are commit access guidelines
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# [23:19] <WG9s> philikon: but the process to get access should at least require the same level of technical review that enhanced bugzilla access requires. it shoul not just be a who you know process.
# [23:19] <Mossop> There is far less of a process for getting bugzilla access than there is for commit access
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# [23:20] <jdm> jphan1: bug 655688 might be a good introductory bug
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# [23:20] <WG9s> Mossop: yes just the process for commit is more politiacl is my point.
# [23:21] <Mossop> I don't think that is true
# [23:21] <jdm> WG9s: that has not been my experience.
# [23:21] <WG9s> it more depends on peopel vouching than you having to show what you have done to earn this, which is the bugzilla process.
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# [23:21] <jphan1> jdm: is that for mac os x? cause it said under platform
# [23:21] <jdm> jphan1: no, it's cross-platform
# [23:21] <jdm> jphan1: the platform field is often incorrect
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# [23:21] <jphan1> oh ok
# [23:21] <WG9s> I am not saying the bugzilla prlcess is more stingent, just at least it has some sembl;ance of you have to show technical competance.
# [23:21] <humph> jphan1: it just picked that up when I filed because I was on a mac
# [23:21] <Mossop> WG9s: The people vouching do so because they believe you can be trusted to follow the rules, normally by evidence of you having understood the rules in your past interactions
# [23:22] <jphan1> oh ok
# [23:22] <WG9s> where the whole defined process of getting commit access does not. It only shows you have ot be politacally connected.
# [23:22] <Mossop> Bugzilla access on the other hand is handed out like crazy with little to no vouching process
# [23:22] <jdm> yeah, I hand out editbugs like candy sometimes
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# [23:23] <WG9s> I am not saying either one proves you know what you are doing better than the other. but one of them at least tries to.
# [23:23] <WG9s> olne of the processes tries to depend on what you know where the other one relies on who you know.
# [23:23] <Mossop> Yes, commit access
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# [23:24] <Mossop> Commit access relies on you being known in the community because we shouldn't be giving people not known in the community commit access to the tree
# [23:24] <jphan1> jdm and humph lets say if i do choose a bug
# [23:24] <WG9s> So probably need a better process for both.
# [23:24] <jphan1> how do i get started
# [23:24] <humph> jphan1: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Build_Documentation
# [23:24] <Mossop> WG9s: Where have the current systems failed to give access to people who needed it or given access to people who shouldn't have it?
# [23:25] <jdm> jphan1: ideally, it's a bug where you either have a testcase showing incorrect behaviour, or a mentor has provided a clear description of the change they're looking for
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# [23:26] <WG9s> Mossop:well for starter this is the comment on TBPL "Tree:
# [23:26] <WG9s> Firefox
# [23:26] <WG9s> Mozilla-Inbound
# [23:26] <WG9s> Mozilla-Aurora
# [23:26] <WG9s> more
# [23:26] <WG9s> OPEN. Tree Rules. You should use inbound instead (but probably won't)."
# [23:26] <WG9s> Kind of says what the issue is about people who have access but should not.
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# [23:26] <jphan1> ok im building firefox as we speak on my pc its jsut taking forever cause im using the make command instead of pymake i didnt know how to use pymake
# [23:26] <WG9s> hmm cut and past did not work well but my point was if this is all working this would not be the comment on the TBPL page.
# [23:26] <humph> jphan1: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/pymake
# [23:27] <jphan1> yes humph i tried it for someone it didnt work
# [23:27] <@smaug> is ted on vacation ?
# [23:27] <@smaug> !seen ted
# [23:27] <@killer> ted was last seen here 4 hours, 41 minutes ago.
# [23:27] <firebot> ted was last seen 4 hours, 42 minutes and 53 seconds ago, saying 'doesn't matter, that stuff should die anyway' in #pymake.
# [23:27] <Mossop> WG9s: To my knowledge we haven't enforced a rule that says you must use integration branches in preference to m-c, so people can still commit where they like
# [23:27] <humph> had a babby
# [23:27] <jdm> WG9s: dunno what "all this working" means; in general I don't think we have a problem with people landing on m-c instead of m-i
# [23:27] <rillian> Werror, slowing down our development again
# [23:28] <@smaug> humph: I know that, but wasn't sure whether that leads to vacation
# [23:28] <WG9s> jdm: well then someone ought to change the tree rules message then
# [23:28] <@smaug> I guess it often does
# [23:28] <WG9s> i guess
# [23:28] <humph> smaug: they moved too
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# [23:28] <@smaug> ah, right
# [23:28] <jdm> WG9s: personally, I am entertained by the snarkiness.
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# [23:28] <@smaug> humph: do you happen to know the status of joystick API ?
# [23:29] <humph> I think more tests + they were reworking events for connect/disconnet on windows
# [23:29] <humph> it got delayed when they had the baby
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# [23:29] <jphan1> humph so MarcosS is my partner that me and him will be working on the bugs together
# [23:29] <WG9s> Mossop: I think the issue is more in the other direction.
# [23:29] <Waldo> Werror, saving us from stupid idiotic mistakes :-P
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# [23:30] <WG9s> I am still too busy at my real job for it to make sense for me to have checkin privs. But I suspect if that situation changed I would have trouble getting them becuase of non-techinical politial issues.
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# [23:31] <Waldo> I doubt that
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# [23:31] <Mook_as> WG9s: fwiw: for me, the hard part of getting commit access was actually convincing myself I should. (and this was back in the more-people-needs-to-vouch days)
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# [23:32] <WG9s> I find the whole idea of it being the you have to get others to vouch for you to be a non-tecnical process but a politiacal process.
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# [23:33] <jdm> WG9s: if you're a known name, and can point to examples of writing sensible code in the past, you're likely going to be able to find vouchers
# [23:34] <WG9s> the whole point of it depnding on people vouching for you is political, and pretending it is technical is pure folly.
# [23:34] <jdm> I really don't think that's true, but I doubt either of us will convince the other at this point.
# [23:34] <Mossop> Any system where we have to rely on people's judgement to give privileges (this includes bugzilla and commit access) is going to end up with some political distortion, there is no getting away from that. And in these cases there is no way to assign privilege without using people's judgement
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# [23:35] <rs> If the process is going to be labeled as political then just about any if not all processes that requires people's opinion or belief would also be labeled as political
# [23:35] <gavin> yes, I don't think "political" is the right word
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# [23:36] <Mossop> Yeah that is probably true
# [23:36] <gavin> obviously it is subjective, and relies on social manoeuvering
# [23:36] <WG9s> Mossop: yes but the bugzilla privs has at least some technical hurdles and a peoples opinion. Checkin privs seems ot only have peoples opinion.
# [23:36] <Mossop> WG9s: I don't think we really use the bugzilla system you think we do anymore
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# [23:37] <Mossop> We liberally sprinkle bz privileges out these days from what I see
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# [23:38] <WG9s> I thought we still had the you have to send an email to gerv showing bugs you triaged and pathes you want to submit thing.
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# [23:38] <gavin> that's one way
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# [23:38] <gavin> another way is to just ask someone else
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# [23:38] <WG9s> i have no idea that was the rules when i got privileges.
# [23:38] <gavin> there are plenty of people who can give out bugzilla privileges
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# [23:40] <felipe> what's the right component to triage bugs like "this website worked in ff10 but no longer works in 11"?
# [23:40] <Mossop> felipe: Depends on the issue, maybe layout, maybe JS, maybe content
# [23:40] <jdm> felipe: regressionwindow-wanted, regardless of component
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# [23:41] <WG9s> OK well thenk I guess it is no longer harder to get bugzilla privs than commit privs. not sure that addresses the issue about commit privs being assings on a who you know rhater than a what you know and how you use them basis.
# [23:42] <gavin> I don't think commit privileges depending on "who you know" is an issue
# [23:42] <Mossop> If people are vouching for people for reasons other than technical competence then that is something to bring up in the governance newsgroup probably
# [23:42] <WG9s> Because my feeling is the process of getting commit access is too polital for me to be granted it.
# [23:42] <gavin> commit access is fundamentally a trust issue, so you need to show that you can be trusted
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# [23:42] <gavin> to establish trust you need to get to know people to a certain degree
# [23:43] <rs> I don't know of a reasonable way to evaluate a potential commiter's "what you know" without it involving trusted individuals in the community.
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# [23:43] <jhammel> brain scan?
# [23:43] <jhammel> oh, reasonable, nm
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# [23:44] <WG9s> Well if my rant here got me commit privs that would certianly expose the process as bing flawed.
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# [23:44] <gavin> don't think there's any risk of that!
# [23:44] <WG9s> but I also expect my rant here to mean I will not be able to get commit access either if i presnt a reasoned approach. so that is kind of the issue.
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# [23:45] <WG9s> What I say here impacting the result of my request kind of proves the process is politiacl.
# [23:45] <WG9s> political.
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# [23:45] <jhammel> well, that is an assumption which i am guessing you are over-assuming the weight of
# [23:46] <gavin> I still don't think the word "political" is correct, but yes, what someone says on IRC certainly matters
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# [23:48] <jdm> jphan1: bug 705961 would be another good bug to work on
# [23:48] <jdm> it's a safety hazard!
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# [23:54] <jphan1> jdm ill look into it
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# [23:55] <jfkthame> khuey: ping
# [23:55] <jphan1> jdm someones already working on it
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# [23:56] <jdm> jphan1: yes, but he said he would work on it back in December. I doubt dholbert will mind someone else taking a stab at it.
# [23:56] <@khuey> jfkthame: hi
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# [23:56] <@khuey> jfkthame: probably not going to happen today :-(
# [23:56] <jphan1> oh ok
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