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  2. # Session Ident: #developers
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  28. # [00:26] <_AxS_> it's not actually possible to build firefox successfully without jit support, is it?
  29. # [00:26] <_AxS_> (as of 36.0)
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  36. # [00:29] <till> _AxS_: no, it's not. There's a dummy-backend for platforms that don't have JIT support
  37. # [00:31] <_AxS_> till: happen to know how to enable that for regular linux platforms too? gentoo hardened users generally don't want jit enabled as that lets them avoid having to disable MPROTECT
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  41. # [00:33] <till> _AxS_: no, I don't know how to do that, sorry
  42. # [00:34] <_AxS_> 'k i'll see what i can do. in the meantine, i guess they'll just have to deal with it.
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  75. # [01:27] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/cea5c7cdfa13 - Richard Newman - #
  76. # [01:28] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-aurora/rev/33147d1285b8 - Richard Newman - #
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  78. # [01:32] <Ms2ger> Tsk tsk
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  89. # [01:56] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/pushloghtml?changeset=c65ef0c02ed3 - 12 changesets
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  107. # [02:24] <ewong> bug 600307 removed getUsage() from dom/interfaces/storage/nsIDOMStrageManager.idl. can someone point out how I can get that information now?
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  136. # [03:04] <ewong> hmm dev.mo still shows the old stuff https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Tech/XPCOM/Reference/Interface/NsIDOMStorageManager
  137. # [03:06] <rnewman> yay for hg qimport apparently doing... something with #
  138. # [03:08] <ewong> !seen mayhammer
  139. # [03:08] <firebot> I've never seen a 'mayhammer', sorry.
  140. # [03:08] <ewong> !seen mayhemmer
  141. # [03:08] <firebot> I've never seen a 'mayhemmer', sorry.
  142. # [03:08] <ewong> !seen mayhemer
  143. # [03:08] <firebot> mayhemer was last seen 16 days and 6 hours ago, saying 'I added qnew=-U to my .hgrc' in #developers.
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  284. # [08:03] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/60a37ae57d9c - Chris Peterson - Bug 1137987 - Remove nonstandard let block from dom/downloads/tests. r=aus
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  352. # [10:50] <Ms2ger> Offered without comment: https://twitter.com/cdixon/status/571928034426552320
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  354. # [10:50] <nigelb> Ms2ger: The irony is stunning.
  355. # [10:51] <jesup> Ms2ger: Like the background.... ;-)
  356. # [10:52] <Ms2ger> I feel the background is some kind of reference that predates le
  357. # [10:52] <Ms2ger> me
  358. # [10:52] <hub> and it is very accessible
  359. # [10:52] <jesup> Amiga Boing ball demo from the first Amiga CES showing
  360. # [10:53] <Ms2ger> Excuse me
  361. # [10:53] <Ms2ger> *much predates me
  362. # [10:54] <hub> jesup: yeah we see the old fart club ;-)
  363. # [10:55] <nigelb> Ms2ger: predates me as well.
  364. # [10:55] <nigelb> like before I was born...
  365. # [10:56] <Ms2ger> nigelb, as old as a competent England team, then :)
  366. # [10:56] <nigelb> Ms2ger: lol
  367. # [10:57] <nigelb> From a Guardian article
  368. # [10:57] <nigelb> "And if you come across an England fan, give them a hug and assure them it’ll all be OK. "
  369. # [10:58] <Ms2ger> You'll have to be very convincing :)
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  371. # [10:58] <hub> nigelb: you just make me feel old. Even the Apple ][ is after I was born
  372. # [10:59] <hub> (albeit not after I learn to read)
  373. # [10:59] <nigelb> hub: Ms2ger can make you feel older :P
  374. # [11:00] <nigelb> I think he's even younger than me.
  375. # [11:00] <Ms2ger> Around the time I learned to read, we used windows for workgroups :)
  376. # [11:00] <nigelb> yep, confirmed :P
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  378. # [11:01] <Ms2ger> Hmm
  379. # [11:02] <Ms2ger> And it was pretty old by then, too
  380. # [11:03] <Ms2ger> Must've been 1999 or 2000
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  382. # [11:04] <nigelb> Hang on.
  383. # [11:04] <nigelb> How old are you?
  384. # [11:04] <nigelb> Or rather, how young.
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  387. # [11:05] <Ms2ger> 23
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  396. # [11:15] <Fallen> What does the package do with binary components? I've done make package and the dylib contained in the package is different from the source dylib
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  398. # [11:27] <Fallen> ah found the code that strips it
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  459. # [13:30] <Fallen> do we have a define for "just beta or release but not self-compiled" ?
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  496. # [14:53] <zolicom> If I found a bug with the new update of firefox that breaks certain sites certificates, should I discuss it here or elsewhere?
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  499. # [14:59] <Fallen> zolicom: not much going on on a Sunday. File a bug or ask again in about 24-30 hours.
  500. # [15:00] <Fallen> or just ask, maybe someone around here knows an answer
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  504. # [15:02] <zolicom> ok
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  506. # [15:04] <zolicom> So I went to my bank site and I get the gray triangle (usually I got the green lock). checked with chromium - green lock. checked with firefox+xubuntu - green lock. updated firefox on xubuntu - gray triangle. and it seems to happen on other bank sites that I checked
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  511. # [15:09] <zolicom> anyway, it seems that something in the latest update of firefox has broken certain certificates.
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  516. # [15:10] <jesup> zolicom: what version of firefox? It's possible it's a bug in their site, too. SInce this is the report about a specific bank/cert, can you indicate what bank it is? (URL?)
  517. # [15:12] <jesup> zolicom: The next step would be to file a bug ("EV cert for XXXX.com not shown with Firefox NN" or something like that)
  518. # [15:12] <zolicom> it happens in few sites, and there's no problem when surfing with chromium
  519. # [15:13] <jesup> Version info is available in about:support (Help->Troubleshooting)
  520. # [15:13] <KaiRo> grey triangle sounds like mixed content, make sure you put a few URLs into the bug with which you are seeing this (and aren't with Chrome)
  521. # [15:14] <jesup> zolicom: Note that some distros (most I think) make their own Firefox builds, and don't use ours, so sometimes they fiddle with the build options or make other changes
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  524. # [15:16] <jesup> Also the version where it "worked", if you know. A bank sending mixed content is not a great idea, BTW. Might be a bug in their site for everyone, and Chrome just isn't showing it to you
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  528. # [15:19] <KaiRo> zolicom: it also would be helpful if you attach a screenshot on the bug of what is shown when you click on that grey triangle
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  530. # [15:21] <KaiRo> all that said, it's possible that those sites have a certificate that chains up to one of the low security roots that we removed from our store - if so, the sites actually are insecure as their certificates are signed by low-security keys
  531. # [15:22] <zolicom> here, you can check for yourself and compare it to another browser: https://www.leumi.co.il/CreateAccountFull/33972
  532. # [15:23] <KaiRo> An error occurred during a connection to www.leumi.co.il. Cannot communicate securely with peer: no common encryption algorithm(s). (Error code: ssl_error_no_cypher_overlap)
  533. # [15:23] <zolicom> the certificates are from symantec
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  535. # [15:23] <zolicom> KaiRo, can you try it over chromium/chrome?
  536. # [15:24] <zolicom> also if you have FF35 or lower it will say the certificate is good
  537. # [15:24] <KaiRo> zolicom: sounds like they are using some kind of cypher that at least my browser doesn't understand, probably and old and nowadays insecure one
  538. # [15:24] <KaiRo> well, we are removing support for things that are not secure any more
  539. # [15:25] <zolicom> so that should explain why it worked in FF35 and not in FF36?
  540. # [15:25] <zolicom> But how come chrome/ium identifies it as secure?
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  542. # [15:26] <KaiRo> zolicom: https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2015/01/28/phase-2-phasing-out-certificates-with-1024-bit-rsa-keys/
  543. # [15:26] <KaiRo> zolicom: probably because they care less about tightening security, or because they just haven't delivered an update yet that removes those
  544. # [15:26] <zolicom> it uses RSA 2048
  545. # [15:27] <KaiRo> zolicom: the cert itself or the root it is chained to?
  546. # [15:27] <zolicom> here's another example of a site that works which uses the same kind of certificate from symantec class 3, and it works in FF and chrome: https://www.mizrahi-tefahot.co.il/he/bank/pages/default.aspx
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  548. # [15:27] <zolicom> it says: CN = Symantec Class 3 EV SSL CA - G2
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  551. # [15:30] <KaiRo> zolicom: If it chains up to the "Class 3 Public Primary Certification Authority – G2" root then that's why it doesn't work any more, see the blog post I linked
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  553. # [15:30] * KaiRo can't even view the certificate because of ssl_error_no_cypher_overlap
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  555. # [15:32] <zolicom> KaiRo, do you have chrome/chromium?
  556. # [15:33] <KaiRo> zolicom: no, but I can see that it works in Fx35
  557. # [15:33] <zolicom> the link you gave me says: If you manage an SSL-enabled website, this change will not impact you if your certificates and the certificates above it have 2048-bit keys or more. but certificate that chrome/chromium shows states that this certificate is 2048
  558. # [15:35] <KaiRo> yes, looks like it
  559. # [15:35] <KaiRo> could be the actual cyphers used by the website, though
  560. # [15:35] <KaiRo> but I'm by far no security expert, so I guess it's best to file a bug
  561. # [15:37] <KaiRo> It's possible that we messed up, it's also possible that the bank messed up, it needs someone with actual SSL/TLS knowledge to dig into that
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  563. # [15:41] <zolicom> maybe I should wait for tomorrow and see if there's an SSL/TLS expert here. I'm not a tech guy that knows how to file a bug
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  565. # [15:44] <KaiRo> zolicom: you can also ask in #security
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  569. # [15:56] <zolicom> ohh ok, I'll try that
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  679. # [19:00] <simar|on> hi folks
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  681. # [19:01] <simar|on> I had a question about pushing to try-servers. I have level-1 commit access and a public key associated to my account. Is there a way I can add another key for pushing to try?
  682. # [19:02] <simar|on> sorry if this isnt the right place to ask this
  683. # [19:03] <_AxS_> simar|on: you don't want to use the same key?
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  689. # [19:08] <simar|on> _AxS_: I tried placing my authorized id_rsa.pub onto the new machine but that didn't work out
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  691. # [19:10] <gaston> you need to copy the *private* part of the key..
  692. # [19:10] <gaston> the ssh client side uses id_rsa, not id_rsa.pub
  693. # [19:12] <simar|on> gaston: I see, so the two machines I'm using would need to have the same private key?
  694. # [19:12] <_AxS_> simar|on: ^^^ what gaston said. I personally have my mozilla key under a separate name tho, and added a 'Host hg.mozilla.org' section to my ~/.ssh/config
  695. # [19:12] <simar|on> then what's the use of having a public key associated to try-server access
  696. # [19:13] <gaston> simar|on: yes - in fact, you only need the public part of the key when sending it *to* the server where you get access
  697. # [19:13] <gaston> you send the public part of the key via mail or another media to a server admin
  698. # [19:13] <gaston> he adds that public key to the authorized keys
  699. # [19:14] <gaston> and your private key is used when authenticating - the servers grants you access because it has your public part of the key
  700. # [19:14] <gaston> that way, only you get/keep/use the private part
  701. # [19:14] <simar|on> gaston: ahhh I see
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  703. # [19:15] <simar|on> and its possible to have two private keys on one terminal?
  704. # [19:15] <gaston> you can use as many private/public key couples as you want
  705. # [19:15] <simar|on> looks like thats what _AxS_ meant?
  706. # [19:15] <gaston> you can decide to use one key couple per remote server where you access
  707. # [19:16] <gaston> or one key for all servers, or one for a group of services..
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  709. # [19:16] <gaston> by default the ssh client tries id_rsa then id_dsa then id_ecdsa
  710. # [19:16] <gaston> but you can name the keys to your liking and configure .ssh/config
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  712. # [19:17] <gaston> to say 'for host foo.bar i want you to use the key named key_for_foo_bar'
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  719. # [19:22] <simar|on> I see gaston. I'm trying to make a mozilla_rsa and mozilla_rsa.pub now and modifying the .ssh/config accordingly
  720. # [19:22] <simar|on> So I would need a matching public/private key pair that I used to gain commit access.
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  724. # [19:24] <till> simar|on: if you already have l1 access and sent over your public key earlier, then you can just reuse that pair. I.e., copy the id_rsa to the new machine, not just the id_rsa.pub, and things should work
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  727. # [19:25] <till> simar|on: additionally, you can rename both files to something different if you intend to only use this key pair for mozilla stuff, and change your ~/.ssh/config as described by gaston above. But that step is optional
  728. # [19:26] <simar|on> till: yes, I'm trying to do that. So I renamed the pair, mozilla_rsa and mozilla_rsa.pub.
  729. # [19:26] <simar|on> till: I specified the IdentityFile in .ssh/config for the private key path
  730. # [19:26] <simar|on> I think i'll also have to do that for the publickey as well
  731. # [19:27] <simar|on> since it doesnt start from id_*
  732. # [19:27] <simar|on> and has a custom name
  733. # [19:27] <_AxS_> simar|on: nope.
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  735. # [19:27] <simar|on> dangit, that didnt work
  736. # [19:27] <_AxS_> simar|on: the public key isn't used when you as the client connect to a server. just the private key.
  737. # [19:27] <till> if I were you, I'd first test if things work without renaming, and then start doing further changes
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  740. # [19:28] <_AxS_> simar|on: here: https://bpaste.net/show/5f11839ba6b7 use that in your .ssh/config
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  744. # [19:30] <simar|on> _AxS_: thanks, would User [myuser] would be my email address?
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  746. # [19:30] <_AxS_> simar|on: yes
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  751. # [19:32] <simar|on> hg push -f is now searching for changes..
  752. # [19:33] * simar|on is hopeful
  753. # [19:33] * simar|on thanks everyone for the help so far
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  760. # [19:40] <simar|on> it worked thanks everybody!
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  928. # [23:44] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a1a89ff4ee31 - Mike Hommey - Bug 762449 - Enable jemalloc 3 by default, but don't make it ride the trains yet. r=njn
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