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# [00:41] <@njn> `mach doctor` tells me that "/ has no explicit noatime/relatime mount option... BAD"
# [00:41] * @njn wonders what that means
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# [00:42] <heycam> njn, sounds like it means your root fs wasn't mounted with the option that turns off file access timestamps, and so you will probably have worse performance on various operations that go over the tree
# [00:43] <heycam> like hg status
# [00:43] * heycam has never used noatime, though
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# [00:43] <heycam> assuming / is the fs your tree is on
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# [00:46] <kinetik> njn: relatime has been the default since linux 2.6.30, so that seems surprising
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# [01:01] <jya> you usually mout nfs volume with noatime ; significantly reduce network load and increase responsiveness
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# [01:24] <@njn> I have a totally vanilla Ubuntu setup, one SDD; I vociferously eschew weirdness
# [01:24] <@njn> *SSD
# [01:25] <@njn> kinetik: if relatime is the default, and I have "no explicit", maybe I'm getting the good stuff by default?
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# [01:37] <froydnj> njn: "vociferously"?
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# [02:32] <@njn> froydnj: yes; vociferously
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# [02:45] <nemo> haaaaaate hate hate hate fact that firefox still doesn't tell me what tab is playing the damn vid
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# [02:45] <nemo> esp is frustrating after applying update
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# [02:46] <nemo> wish that about:media addon had gotten merged
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# [02:46] <nemo> (the one from the bug on this problem)
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# [02:46] <nemo> but an icon on the tab would be more helpful usually
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# [03:03] <philor> I wonder how much we would measurably lose by just closing every tree at 5pm Friday
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# [03:04] <&dbaron> philor, the only opportunity to check in?
# [03:04] <philor> I am actually going to merge m-i 22:00 Friday instead of 17:00, but I'm merging it because everything after that is unmergeable
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# [03:05] <darktrojan> nemo, looking for this? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/noise-control/
# [03:05] <philor> dbaron: thankfully, we have a keyword named checkin-needed, which will get your patches landed during a time when a paid sheriff is watching the tree, backing out bustage, and vastly increasing the chances of your patch actually shipping, rather than during a time when probably nobody is watching and it will be days before you patch either will or can be merged
# [03:05] <&dbaron> philor, what's wrong with 23:00 Friday?
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# [03:06] <&dbaron> philor, using checkin-needed is really painful for large sequences of patches
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# [03:07] <nemo> ♥ ♥ ♥
# [03:07] <nemo> darktrojan: perfect
# [03:07] <nemo> darktrojan: wish your name wasn't so scary
# [03:07] <philor> dbaron: your disabling of the tests it landed 12 hours later makes 22:33 unusable, and that gets us into overlapping bustage which ends with my backout not long ago
# [03:07] <nemo> and the addon experimental
# [03:07] <darktrojan> lol
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# [03:07] <&dbaron> philor, then what was wrong with noon Saturday?
# [03:07] <&dbaron> philor, didn't the overlapping bustage not start until after that?
# [03:07] <darktrojan> nemo, https://github.com/darktrojan/noise-control
# [03:08] <nemo> right. that helps. :p
# [03:08] <darktrojan> also it wouldn't be experimental if amo had some editors
# [03:08] <darktrojan> well, maybe it would, but it'd be reviewed
# [03:08] <&dbaron> philor, I don't see backouts of things before 3f0355067f0f that happened after it
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# [03:10] <philor> dbaron: oh, you're right, you're below mchang's fun, I thought you were above it
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# [03:10] <&dbaron> philor, it doesn't have the cleanest push because it was pushed during a tree closure window, so some things failed graph server posts...
# [03:10] <philor> we made it clear until 3:30 Saturday! woo!
# [03:12] <dmajor> whew
# [03:12] <philor> were I vaguely professional, I'd have to file that test_aboutmemory5.xul thing, but fortunately I'm not
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# [03:13] <&dbaron> philor, a bunch of the mess was really because the tree was closed for so much of the work week due to infra load issues and other things, though...
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# [03:17] <philor> what would be the proper forum to discuss a better way of dealing with intermittent failures which indicate a security-related problem?
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# [03:21] <philor> much as I like the combination of clownshoes and painting a big fat target on the failure that our current system produces...
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# [04:40] <Unfocused> er, is aurora tree hosed? prep a changeset to push, and outgoing lists a bunch of changesets that closed old branches
# [04:43] <philor> that's more likely to mean your repo is hosed
# [04:43] <philor> aurora? it's closed
# [04:44] <Unfocused> which i guess means my local cache of it is hosted too, cos i recloned from that
# [04:44] <philor> gps might know what to look for, or at
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# [06:05] <gps> Unfocused: always use `push -r <rev>` - often `push -r .` to push the current changeset
# [06:05] <gps> `hg outgoing` will tell you what extra heads are being pushed
# [06:05] <gps> `hg strip` the ones that i made related to branch closures
# [06:06] <gps> -> bed
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# [06:18] <nigelb> morning
# [06:18] <nigelb> I had *dreams* about screwing up my hg repo last night.
# [06:18] <nigelb> Jeez. It's clearly getting to my head.
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# [08:29] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Sylvestre: ping - good morning
# [08:29] <Sylvestre> Tomcat|sheriffduty, good morning :)
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# [08:32] <nigelb> Morning Tomcat|sheriffduty
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# [08:35] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> kamidphi_: ping
# [08:35] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> kamidphish: ping
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# [08:36] <kamidphi_> Tomcat|sheriffduty: pong
# [08:36] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hey kamidphi_ wonder about https://treeherder.mozilla.org/logviewer.html#?job_id=7644713&repo=mozilla-inbound
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# [08:36] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> is this now fixed with the last push ?
# [08:37] <kamidphi_> Tomcat|sheriffduty: Oh right, I fixed that in the last push I did.
# [08:37] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> kamidphi_: cool thanks!
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# [08:37] <kamidphi_> Tomcat|sheriffduty: I guess I missed the bit to tell the build system that too.
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# [08:45] <kamidphi_> Tomcat|sheriffduty: Are you able to update the "expected 1 fail" part? Or is there something I need to do?
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# [09:01] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> kamidphi_: oh can you update this, never updated a tests
# [09:01] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> :)
# [09:02] <kamidphi_> Tomcat|sheriffduty: Neither have I, but I'll look into it.
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# [10:21] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hm kamidphi_ its still perma orange :(
# [10:22] <kamidphi_> Tomcat|sheriffduty: I have a patch up for review. I could land it to fix it, but that would be going against the protocol, right?
# [10:22] <kamidphi_> the patch just removes the "expected to fail on OSX 10.10"
# [10:23] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> it depend if its no feature change and just a follow up thats ok
# [10:23] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> if its like to "fix" the tests than its ok to land as follow up
# [10:23] <kamidphi_> Tomcat|sheriffduty: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=8577943&action=diff
# [10:24] <kamidphi_> Tomcat|sheriffduty: Ok. I'll land it.
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# [10:24] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> kamidphi_: a=me :)
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# [10:32] <kamidphi_> Tomcat|sheriffduty: Pushed.
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# [10:36] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> kamidphi_: thanks@
# [10:36] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> thanks!
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# [11:33] <geoffroy> pbrosset ?
# [11:34] <pbrosset> geoffroy: pong
# [11:34] <geoffroy> Hi :)
# [11:34] <geoffroy> I'm coming back to you about the try server
# [11:35] <geoffroy> I don't know how to interpret the result: https://treeherder.mozilla.org/#/jobs?repo=try&revision=3e81f6a4ca05&exclusion_profile=false&filter-resultStatus=testfailed&filter-resultStatus=busted&filter-resultStatus=exception&filter-classifiedState=unclassified
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# [11:36] <pbrosset> geoffroy: something, unrelated to your patches, broke and the tests couldn't run
# [11:36] <pbrosset> I'll re-push to try
# [11:36] <pbrosset> Also, requesting TRY commit access could come in handy, so you can push yourself when you want to validate a patch of yours
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# [11:37] <pbrosset> for info, take a look at this one for instance: https://treeherder.mozilla.org/#/jobs?repo=try&revision=26ea5f6afd3f
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# [11:37] <pbrosset> it shows a list of various tests (dt, oth, X, dt1, dt2, ...), most o them green, which means they passed
# [11:37] <pbrosset> you can also look at a more complete set of builds/tests here if you want: https://treeherder.mozilla.org/#/jobs?repo=fx-team
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# [11:42] <geoffroy> pbrosset: okay thanks
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# [11:44] <pbrosset> geoffroy: try push results are hard to decypher when you don't know what to look for. You can also ask in #introduction if you have general questions. Ask me if you see things turning orange or red in your new try push: https://treeherder.mozilla.org/#/jobs?repo=try&revision=a9c2601661f8
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# [11:54] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> kamidphish: hmm the error is still there
# [11:54] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> also after the fix
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# [11:54] <geoffroy> pbrosset: thanks !
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# [13:39] <froydnj> why doesn't page up/down work in gmail panes anymore :(
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# [13:51] <nemo> so... this page is admittedly a bit silly... http://m8y.org/tmp/testcase391.xhtml
# [13:51] <nemo> but is there any reason why it would lag my entire FF UI?
# [13:51] <nemo> regardless of whether I'm using e10s or not
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# [13:52] <nemo> bah. lemme add -webkit- prefixing to see how chromium does
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# [13:55] <nemo> hm. chromium seems a lot snappier, but menu is acting a bit oddly, and text selection on the page. I don't use chrome enough to know if that's normal
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# [13:56] <nemo> interesting... I get 200% CPU usage in chrome
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# [13:56] <nemo> 0% in Firefox
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# [13:56] <nemo> which is impossible
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# [13:56] <nemo> well. not 0%, but very very low
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# [13:57] <nemo> which totally doesn't fit w/ lagginess, unless, well, gpu I guess
# [13:57] <nemo> this *is* a sucky machine
# [13:57] * bz sees 100% CPU usage on that page with Firefox
# [13:57] <nemo> m'k. trying on linux btw
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# [13:57] <bz> but yes, depending on OS we might be doing this entirely on the GPU
# [13:57] <bz> in theory
# [13:57] <bz> And that would explain why it lags the UI too
# [13:58] <nemo> and not show high cpu usage
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# [13:58] <nemo> bz: I just went back to this one to see if trimming down on number of pngs and animation speed might make something that was semi useful on a site with a water theme ☺
# [13:58] <nemo> but I think, given what I'm seeing so far, I won't inflict that on the poor users
# [13:59] <nemo> at least e10s isn't making the text area blink like mad on my machine anymore
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# [14:20] <ejpbruel> bz: ping
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# [14:21] <bz> ejpbruel: hey
# [14:22] <bz> ejpbruel: what's up?
# [14:22] <ejpbruel> bz: hey boris. i just have a quick question
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# [14:22] <ejpbruel> bz: im implementing a setImmediate like function for the worker debugger. to implement that, i want to dispatch a runnable from the worker thread to the worker thread
# [14:23] <ejpbruel> bz: that runnable needs to store the callback that needs to be invoked when the runnable is run
# [14:23] <ejpbruel> bz: question is how do i store that callback in the runnable? Its represented as a Function
# [14:23] <nbp> If a contributor push a patch to review board, should I use the checkin-needed flag to get his patch pushed to inbound?
# [14:23] <bz> So store an nsRefPtr<Function> ?
# [14:24] <bz> ejpbruel: Or does that cause problems for some reason?
# [14:24] <ejpbruel> bz: yeah? that simple?
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# [14:24] <bz> Should be
# [14:25] <bz> We tried to make this stuff nice and easy. ;)
# [14:25] <nemo> hm. So. I was reading: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9210484 - TIL websockets can actually *access* localhost - I'd assumed that was blocked.
# [14:25] <ejpbruel> bz: im not sure. i looked at the machinery for timeouts and they convert the function to a callable jsvalue that the needs to be explicitly traced
# [14:25] <bz> You mean in nsGlobalWindow?
# [14:25] <ejpbruel> bz: no, in WorkerPrivate.cpp
# [14:25] <bz> Ok
# [14:25] <bz> So...
# [14:25] <ejpbruel> bz: they probably have their reasons for doing it that way though
# [14:26] <bz> First of all, some of that predates webidlification
# [14:26] <ejpbruel> bz: ah
# [14:26] <bz> Second...
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# [14:26] * bz thinks
# [14:26] <bz> So what Function does is it makes sure the JS object is traced
# [14:26] <bz> as long a the Function itself is alive
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# [14:26] * bz is pretty sure the worker setup predates webidlification
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# [14:27] <ejpbruel> bz: and the lifetime of the Function is at least as long as the runnable that stores it, right?
# [14:27] <ejpbruel> i can think of no reason why this wouldnt work
# [14:27] <bz> You may still want to CC or manually trace if you want things to be GCable while a timeout is pending
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# [14:27] <nemo> hrm. so... it is only allowed if there is a valid cert? or can I use websockets to probe dæmons on people's machines?
# [14:27] <bz> But in your case presumably you don't want that.
# [14:27] <ejpbruel> bz: i dont think so
# [14:27] <bz> So yeah, just keeping a ref to the Function in the runnable should totally work
# [14:27] <bz> And it may be worth filing a bug to simplify the existing worker stuff
# [14:27] <ejpbruel> bz: great, thats all i needed. thanks for your help as always!
# [14:28] <bz> though...
# [14:28] <bz> One other thing
# [14:28] <ejpbruel> hm?
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# [14:29] <bz> ejpbruel: Right, workers implement setTimeout, which can have _arguments_ in addition to the function
# [14:29] <bz> ejpbruel: do you have arguments to keep alive, or just the function?
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# [14:29] <froydnj> stupid mach and test dependencies
# [14:30] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> benjamin: thanks!
# [14:31] <ejpbruel> bz: just the function. worst case scenario i could just wrap a call to apply in another function, no?
# [14:31] <ejpbruel> bz: the only reason i need setImmediate really is because the debugger server uses Promise.jsm promises
# [14:31] <bz> ejpbruel: Indeed, you can just bind()
# [14:31] <bz> ejpbruel: So yeah, if you don't need to keep arguments alive, then just do the simple thing
# [14:32] <ejpbruel> cool
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# [14:40] <ejpbruel> bz: just to be sure: even though I have a Function&, I should store it in a nsRefPtr<Function>, not a Function member, right?
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# [14:42] <bz> ejpbruel: correct
# [14:42] <ejpbruel> alright, thanks
# [14:42] <bz> ejpbruel: It's a Function& just to make it clear it's never null
# [14:42] <bz> ejpbruel: So you want to just store &aFunction
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# [14:43] <mikedeboer> Sylvestre: I put up an approval request on bug 1143623, which is blocking Loop/ Hello uplifts... do you have time to check it out?
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# [14:44] <Sylvestre> mikedeboer, sure
# [14:45] <mikedeboer> Sylvestre: cool, thanks!
# [14:45] <ejpbruel> mikedeboer: hi mike! ;-)
# [14:45] <mikedeboer> ejpbruel: howdy! :)
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# [14:45] <Sylvestre> mikedeboer, usually, we approve uplift once they landed in m-c. Is there a rush here?
# [14:45] <mikedeboer> Sylvestre: this is an aurora-only patch
# [14:45] <Sylvestre> mikedeboer, forget my question :)
# [14:46] <Sylvestre> mikedeboer, approved
# [14:46] <mikedeboer> Sylvestre: \o/
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# [14:59] <sewardj> ehsan: ping
# [14:59] <@ehsan> sewardj: hi
# [14:59] <sewardj> ehsan: talk to froydnj re tsan, he's an expert
# [14:59] <@ehsan> froydnj: ping
# [14:59] <@ehsan> thanks!
# [15:00] <froydnj> ehsan: pong
# [15:01] <@ehsan> froydnj: how does one get tsan to work on firefox?
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# [15:01] <froydnj> ehsan: black magic
# [15:01] <@ehsan> froydnj: care to elaborate?
# [15:01] <froydnj> ehsan: what version of clang are you using?
# [15:02] <@ehsan> froydnj: 3.6
# [15:02] <froydnj> ehsan: that's part of your problem
# [15:02] <@ehsan> froydnj: what version do I want?
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# [15:02] <froydnj> ehsan: the pre-compiled 3.3 binaries from llvm.org wfm
# [15:03] <froydnj> ehsan: 3.4, 3.5, and 3.6 are all busted in their own special way
# [15:03] <@ehsan> froydnj: did you ever get a "too much recursion" js error at startup?
# [15:03] <froydnj> ehsan: when using 3.6, yes
# [15:03] <@ehsan> aha!
# [15:03] <@ehsan> froydnj: I'll update the wiki then
# [15:04] <@ehsan> and will also remove the fictional references that this will work on osx too ;)
# [15:04] <froydnj> that too
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# [15:13] <@ehsan> froydnj: in your experience, which one is better at detecting races, tsan or helgrind?
# [15:14] <froydnj> ehsan: I haven't used helgrind
# [15:14] <@ehsan> ok
# [15:14] <froydnj> ehsan: think helgrind requires some amount of manual annotation to get decent results
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# [15:14] <froydnj> ehsan: bent had a stack of patches...I haven't tried them
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# [15:17] <@ehsan> that page is pretty dated :/
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# [15:18] <sewardj> ehsan: yeah, until those patches are updated, I wouldn't bet on helgrind
# [15:18] <@ehsan> ok that's good to know
# [15:18] <@ehsan> thanks
# [15:19] <@ted> sewardj: on my drive up to Toronto I saw a sign for a historic museum in New York: http://sewardhouse.org/
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# [15:43] <@ehsan> froydnj: so I got the same thing with 3.3 binaries
# [15:43] <@ehsan> froydnj: this is my mozconfig: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8825935
# [15:43] <@ehsan> what am I doing wrong?
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# [15:44] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hey guys we have created a sheriff survey here - http://goo.gl/forms/kRXZDtSjSj how things go and maybe how we can make things better, so everyone is invited to take part in this :)
# [15:45] <nemo> say. does https://github.com/google/end-to-end exist for FF?
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# [15:45] <@ehsan> froydnj: hmm, maybe I should have clobbered
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# [15:50] <RyanVM> nical: ping
# [15:50] <nical> RyanVM: pong
# [15:50] <RyanVM> nical: hey, I'm looking at the approval for bug 1114948
# [15:50] <RyanVM> TiledContentClient.cpp has some differences
# [15:51] <RyanVM> nical: should I do the change here instead? http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-b2g34_v2_1/source/gfx/layers/client/TiledContentClient.cpp#1179
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# [15:52] <nical> RyanVM: basically, it's s/NS_roundf/NS_lroundf in this file
# [15:52] <RyanVM> ok, so any and all occurrences
# [15:52] <RyanVM> can do
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# [15:53] <nical> RyanVM: right, thank you
# [15:53] <RyanVM> perfect, thanks
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# [15:54] <Wes> Hey all - does anybody know if the HTMLCollection returned by getElementsByClassName (et al) are ordered in any specific way? I can't seem to find information either way in dom.spec.whatwg.org
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# [16:03] <kats> Wes: i believe they should be in document order
# [16:04] <kats> Wes: https://dom.spec.whatwg.org/#interface-htmlcollection scroll down to the bullet point # 2, it says "in tree order"
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# [16:05] <Wes> kats: Thanks - I missed that. That's helpful, it means I don't have a potentially-lurking bug where I thought I might.
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# [16:12] <@ted> mconley: do you have a bug number for that OS X issue?
# [16:13] <mconley> ted: yeah, one sec
# [16:13] <mconley> ted: bug 1142957 I think
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# [16:13] <@ehsan> froydnj: problem solved, thanks for your help!
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# [16:15] <froydnj> ehsan: great! bug located, even?
# [16:15] <@ted> fix landed, got backed out, re-landed
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# [16:15] <@ted> but doesn't seem to have made it to m-c yet
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# [16:19] <dougt> ehsan: is there a way to turn of the unified compilation?
# [16:20] <RyanVM> kats: I held off trying to uplift bug 1140578 because bug 1139575 hasn't been approved yet
# [16:20] <RyanVM> kats: from your comments, it sounded like they go together
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# [16:21] <kats> RyanVM: they can be uplifted independently. they go together in the sense that they both fix similar symptoms
# [16:21] <RyanVM> ah, ok
# [16:21] <@ehsan> dougt: no
# [16:22] <dougt> okay
# [16:22] <@ehsan> dougt: well, yes, if you really want to, by modifying the code
# [16:22] <dougt> i do not want to do that. :)
# [16:22] <vlad> dougt: do you want them all off, or do you just want to not unify some stuff?
# [16:22] <@ehsan> k
# [16:22] <RyanVM> ehsan: FILES_PER_UNIFIED_FILE=1 or whatever it's called?
# [16:22] <vlad> if the latter just add to SOURCES instead of UNIFIED_SOURCES
# [16:22] <@ehsan> yes that should work, but it's per directory
# [16:22] <RyanVM> doh
# [16:22] <dougt> oh.
# [16:22] <dougt> that will work. :)
# [16:22] <dougt> thanks vlad.
# [16:22] <@ehsan> dougt: why do you want if off?
# [16:23] <@ehsan> adding non-unified sources kills ponies
# [16:23] <vlad> probably because of silly conflicts in some generated files or external sources
# [16:23] <vlad> i.e., the only real reason :)
# [16:23] <dougt> that, and it's harder to see what the compilation error is with unified.
# [16:25] <@ehsan> dougt: please try avoiding checking that in if possible then :)
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# [16:26] <dougt> obviously! :)
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# [16:27] <khuey> going through bugmail, see that we granted commit access to "Waffles Crazy Peanut"
# [16:27] <mikedeboer> RyanVM: Hello screensharing uplifts done, used mcMerge, it's nize.
# [16:27] <khuey> ok then
# [16:27] <RyanVM> mikedeboer: w00t :)
# [16:27] <RyanVM> mikedeboer: definitely reduces the bug marking pain :)
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# [16:28] <mikedeboer> RyanVM: yeah, and it's super straightforward to use :)
# [16:28] <RyanVM> mikedeboer: I don't know how we ever lived without it
# [16:29] <mikedeboer> RyanVM: is it a recent addition then? I thought I heard about it quite a while ago...
# [16:29] <RyanVM> it's been around for a few years now
# [16:29] <RyanVM> khuey: hah
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# [16:33] <RyanVM> kats: on b2g37, NotifyVsync is static bool (vs. just bool before bug 1140578 landed) - should I go with static void to match the pre-existing style or just void?
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# [16:36] <kats> RyanVM: static void
# [16:36] <RyanVM> ok, thanks
# [16:37] <RyanVM> kats: blech, more conflicts
# [16:37] <RyanVM> i'm going to pass the buck to you on this
# [16:37] <kats> RyanVM: ok fair enough
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# [16:47] <Standard8> Tomcat|sheriffduty: you just starred a couple of failures on Mn on fx-team - they are real failures
# [16:47] <Standard8> I’m looking at a fix
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# [16:51] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Standard8: yeah
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# [16:54] <Standard8> Tomcat|sheriffduty: fix pushed
# [16:55] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Standard8: thx
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# [16:56] <ttaubert> gah, who renamed the TBPL Robot
# [16:56] <ttaubert> my poor filters
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# [16:57] <&dbaron> ttaubert, X-Bugzilla-Who: tbplbot@gmail.com
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# [17:01] <khuey> ejpbruel: if it's really quick
# [17:02] <ejpbruel> khuey: about your comment https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1092102#c111. how do i actually implement Get? GetOrCreateServices uses do_GetService internally
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# [17:03] <khuey> ejpbruel: mmm, good question
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# [17:04] <khuey> ejpbruel: guess you can't
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# [17:04] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> RyanVM: can you take over ?
# [17:05] <ejpbruel> khuey: so what do you want me to do? ignore that comment?
# [17:05] <@ted> ttaubert: FYI you can tell bugzilla not to send you mail at all for certain users making changes
# [17:05] <&dbaron> sfink, do you know who the right owner for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1142908 is? (I'm asking you since glandium cc:ed you.)
# [17:06] <@ted> ttaubert: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=bugmail_filter
# [17:06] <ttaubert> ted: I actually want those emails, just in a special folder
# [17:06] <RyanVM> Tomcat|sheriffduty: k
# [17:06] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> thx
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# [17:06] <@ted> ttaubert: weirdo :-P
# [17:06] <&dbaron> ted, yep, I do the same as ttaubert -- put them in their own folder, and just read the subject lines in that folder and not the message bodies
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# [17:07] <&dbaron> ted, it tells me when there are serious intermittents
# [17:07] <@ted> heh
# [17:07] <@ted> i guess that's fair
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# [17:07] <@ted> email seems like a horrible tool for this job
# [17:07] <&dbaron> ted, except that it's better than all the others
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# [17:08] <sfink> dbaron: hm. My feeling is that I'm not really the *right* owner, but I'm the only one who would fix it. It's on my radar, but I didn't know if it was blocking anything.
# [17:08] <wlach> poor orangefactor :(
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# [17:09] <sfink> dbaron: I'll take a look now to see if glandium's suggestion is as straightforward as it sounds
# [17:09] <ttaubert> ted: yeah, looking at the which tests are failing a lot and fix them if I can :)
# [17:09] <Ms2ger> bz++
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# [17:14] <Ms2ger> If you see him, get him a cake :)
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# [17:16] <khuey> ejpbruel: yeah, I guess so
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# [17:18] <Waldo> nah, I just want to tell him good luck, we're all counting on him
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# [17:24] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> Waldo++
# [17:25] <Waldo> (it's already in the bug, but repetition of this is *especially* a feature :-) )
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# [17:29] <mhoye> Do we have something on file about Nightly struggling to wake up from sleep again?
# [17:30] <mhoye> I mean, I have the same problem, so I'm sympathetic.
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# [17:32] <@smaug> mhoye: doesn't sound familiar
# [17:32] <qDot> ted: ping
# [17:33] <@smaug> mhoye: unless you mean something like CC or GC taking some time after resume to run
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# [17:34] <mhoye> smaug: I mean I close the lid, open it again and Nightly is inoperable for 10-30 seconds.
# [17:34] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> lmandel: ping
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# [17:34] <@smaug> mhoye: which OS?
# [17:34] <mhoye> osx
# [17:35] * @smaug hasn't seen such behavior on Linux nor on Windows
# [17:35] <@smaug> mhoye: does Nightly take lots of cpu during that time?
# [17:35] <mhoye> I'm sure closing the lid on a Linux laptop causes something insane to happen too, but I doubt that's our fault.
# [17:35] <@smaug> could you profile it?
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# [17:35] <mhoye> smaug: Haven't checked! Next time it starts to happen, I'll do that and see what comes up.
# [17:35] <mhoye> Thanks!
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# [17:36] <@smaug> mhoye: linux + suspend/resume works perfectly fine these days
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# [17:36] <lmandel> RyanVM|sheriffduty: pong
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# [17:37] <mhoye> smaug: Last time I tried, I had a choice between suspend/resume and graphics drivers that worked.
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# [17:38] <mhoye> with caveats for "you need to do something about your wifi firmware" and "you'd better never put in an SD card because that module will veto suspend, so your laptop will melt in your bag"
# [17:38] <mhoye> It was an exciting time!
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# [17:39] <froydnj> mhoye: so you switched to osx to have a little less excitement in your life?
# [17:39] <froydnj> mhoye: also, your mach bootstrap bugs have been fantastic
# [17:39] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> lmandel: how badly do you want bug 1131638 in today's beta gtb?
# [17:41] <lmandel> RyanVM|sheriffduty: I would highly prefer to take this today over taking it in beta 7. Why?
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# [17:41] <lmandel> Test bustage?
# [17:41] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> it depends on the function added by 1128380
# [17:41] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> build bustage
# [17:42] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> it's a straightforward backport to do, but nobody around to formally nominate it
# [17:42] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> AFAIK
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# [17:42] <lmandel> RyanVM|sheriffduty: Let me ping cpeterson. (cc cpearce in case he's around)
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# [17:44] <lmandel> cpearce, cpeterson: AFAIK we need bug 1131638. In order to take it, we need bug 1128380. I need a risk assessment with the patch (what else does it impact) and an approval request if we're going to take it today.
# [17:45] <lmandel> RyanVM|sheriffduty: Can you backout bug 1131638 until we figure out whether we can take 1128380 today?
# [17:45] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> k
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# [17:49] <cpeterson> lmandel: I don't how risky bug 1131638 or 1128380 are.
# [17:50] <lmandel> cpeterson: Anyone who we can ask before 2pm PT?
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# [17:50] <mhoye> froydnj: thanks
# [17:50] <mhoye> these things are hurting me on the inside
# [17:51] <cpeterson> lmandel: I have an EME meeting with cpearce at 12:30 PM PT today. I will follow up with him there, if we haven't heard sooner.
# [17:51] <mhoye> I'm adding my name to as many places in the docs as I can to say, if you've got any problems with this please tell me
# [17:51] <mhoye> I'm done with silent failure here.
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# [17:52] <Ms2ger> mhoye++
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# [17:52] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> cpeterson: it's a straightforward backport (bug 1128380) AFAICT
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# [17:52] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> i'm queuing it up now, just let me know if/when it's good to push
# [17:53] <lmandel> RyanVM|sheriffduty, cpeterson: Thank you both. I mostly want to ensure that bug 1128380 is not going to break something else in MSE because it has other dependencies.
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# [17:54] <cpeterson> lmandel: btw, YouTube still seems to be sending HTML5 video to Beta 37 on OS X. I don't know what time YouTube's server push is, so maybe it will happen later today. I will follow up with YouTube.
# [17:54] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> lmandel: kicking off a Try push to make sure these two build together
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# [17:55] <lmandel> cpeterson: Yes. I confirmed the same this morning. Please do find out when their push is. It it's early enough, we can still take the change today.
# [17:55] <Ms2ger> Waldo, ^
# [17:55] <lmandel> RyanVM|sheriffduty: +1
# [17:56] <Waldo> Ms2ger: yeah, my stalks fired
# [17:56] <Ms2ger> :)
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# [18:01] <lmandel> cpeterson: Can you also review bug 1131884 with cpearce? I'd like to know more about the potential risk of more but shorter buffering.
# [18:01] <cpeterson> lmandel: ok
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# [18:06] <sfink> dbaron: do you happen to know why bug 1142908 is a problem? It appears to be using gcc 4.7.2 for everything interesting.
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# [18:07] <ejpbruel> who is our expert on the xpcshell test harness??
# [18:07] * Ms2ger denies everything
# [18:07] <jimb> ejpbruel: is this re: bug 1140131?
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# [18:08] <Ms2ger> ejpbruel, gps?
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# [18:09] <ejpbruel> jimb: no, im trying to figure out how to access files in the xpcshell test directory via url
# [18:09] <ejpbruel> jimb: specifically, how i can get the 'root' url for my test
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# [18:09] <jimb> (I don't know the answer.)
# [18:09] <ejpbruel> gps: ping, can you help?
# [18:09] <ejpbruel> jimb: thats ok, ill figure it out :)
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# [18:13] <lmandel> cpeterson: One more for you. Telemetry probe in bug 1127646.
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# [18:13] <cpeterson> lmandel: I'll ask about that bug too.
# [18:14] <lmandel> cpeterson: Thanks.
# [18:14] <lmandel> cpeterson: I just moved my ni in that bug from rillian to cpearce as rillian is on PTO.
# [18:14] <cpeterson> yes
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# [18:14] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mikedeboer: you've got mochitest failures on your aurora push
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# [18:14] <gps> IIRC the httpd.js servers in xpcshell tests use random ports
# [18:15] <gps> this is necessary to ensure tests that run concurrently don't collide on the same port
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# [18:15] <ejpbruel> gps: how can i figure out what url/port i should use to get my file?
# [18:15] <mikedeboer> RyanVM|sheriffduty: thanks! checking...
# [18:15] <gps> https://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/services/common/modules-testing/bagheeraserver.js#127
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# [18:16] <gps> this.server there is a HttpServer() from httpd.js
# [18:17] <ejpbruel> gps: im not sure how that answers my question...
# [18:17] <gps> ejpbruel: somewhere you created an nsIHttpServer via httpd.js, right?
# [18:17] <gps> see https://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/netwerk/test/httpserver/nsIHttpServer.idl for the interfaces
# [18:18] <ejpbruel> gps: oh, i think there may be some miscommunication
# [18:18] <ejpbruel> gps: im simply trying to load a script using loadSubScript in a debugger xpcshell test, but im unsure what url to use
# [18:18] <ejpbruel> gps: so my question is if i put my script file in the xpcshell test dir, what url can i access it from?
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# [18:19] <gps> https://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/services/sync/tests/unit/head_helpers.js#40
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# [18:19] <mikedeboer> RyanVM|sheriffduty: jib is looking at it... I'll know more soon
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# [18:20] <gps> https://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/services/healthreport/tests/xpcshell/test_provider_addons.js#12
# [18:20] <gps> same pattern, little easier to read
# [18:21] <gps> there is probably a better way to do this
# [18:21] <ejpbruel> gps: so, do_get_file?
# [18:21] <gps> yeah
# [18:21] <gps> that should execute relative to the current test directory
# [18:21] <gps> these examples grab paths from other directories
# [18:22] <ejpbruel> gps: i see, so if i do do_get_file("test.js") i will get a path relative to the xpcshell test dir?
# [18:22] <gps> ejpbruel: I /think/ so.
# [18:22] <gps> it's been a while.
# [18:22] <ejpbruel> gps: hehe
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# [18:22] <gps> you may have to sprinkle some print or log statements around to get it right
# [18:23] <ejpbruel> gps: that gives me something to go on at least. thanks for your help.
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# [18:26] <ejpbruel> gps: i figured it out, thanks a bunch!
# [18:27] <gps> great!
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# [18:32] <mikedeboer> RyanVM|sheriffduty: you backed it all out?
# [18:33] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> no?
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# [18:33] <mikedeboer> RyanVM|sheriffduty: ok :P I thought I was seeing thing... stars, apparently.
# [18:33] <mikedeboer> *things
# [18:33] <jib> yeah code is not there
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# [18:35] <vlad> do we know why you can't drag and drop files to google drive in firefox, but can in chrome?
# [18:36] <@smaug> vlad: any files?
# [18:36] <@smaug> vlad: anyhow, possibly because chrome has the google-only file system API
# [18:36] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bkelly: https://treeherder.mozilla.org/logviewer.html#?job_id=7657794&repo=mozilla-inbound
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# [18:36] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bkelly: looks like fallout from bug 1110487
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# [18:36] <@smaug> vlad: also in their dnd API
# [18:37] <bkelly> RyanVM|sheriffduty: looking
# [18:37] <vlad> smaug: hm, I doubt they'd use it in this though, I mean that fs API doesn't let them access arbitrary docs
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# [18:38] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bkelly: brb
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# [18:42] <bkelly> RyanVM|sheriffduty: back me out please... I need to discuss with janv
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# [18:43] <mikedeboer> RyanVM|sheriffduty: jib is building aurora locally atm and investigating the issue
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# [18:53] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bkelly: can do
# [18:53] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bkelly: should I leave part 1 in?
# [18:53] <bkelly> RyanVM|sheriffduty: that can stay in... whatever is easier for you, thoguh
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# [18:57] <lmandel> mccr8: Can you take a look at bug 1138520? This is a high volume crash on Beta that I'd like to see addressed, today if possible. billm and you were talking about a backout.
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# [18:58] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bent: safe to say that bug 1142346 is a dupe of bug 1135578?
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# [18:59] <mccr8> lmandel: I don't really know much about the bug he was suggesting get backed out. billm or jchen would be better people to ask.
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# [19:02] <lmandel> jchen: ^ I don't see billm online. Can you help out?
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# [19:06] <bent> RyanVM|sheriffduty, they look very different
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# [19:06] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ok, noted
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# [19:15] <mikedeboer> RyanVM|sheriffduty: ok, fixed it by pushing a followup of a patch that was buried deep within the bug history
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# [19:15] <bent> did somebody change something with sync recently? I keep getting signed out
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# [19:16] <mikedeboer> RyanVM|sheriffduty: so I hope you're ok with that change?
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# [19:18] <khuey> bent: I have the "failed to sync for two weeks" bar pretty regularly
# [19:18] <bent> yeah, that's what tipped me off
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# [19:20] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mikedeboer: not a problem at all, thanks :)
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# [19:20] <Mossop> bent, khuey: I filed bug 1142234
# [19:21] <khuey> Mossop: ty
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# [19:23] <mikedeboer> RyanVM|sheriffduty: Cool :) I'll be keeping an eye on treeherder
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# [19:54] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> Standard8: hitting some conflicts with bug 1143629 on beta due to bug 1076764 not being there
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# [19:54] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> Standard8: or should I say, "doesn't apply at all"
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# [19:58] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> padenot: on the push for bug 1141781 and bug 1136360 - https://treeherder.mozilla.org/logviewer.html#?job_id=7663637&repo=mozilla-inbound
# [19:59] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> cpeterson: lmandel: both try pushes have successful builds, so it looks like there's no other hidden deps from a bustage standpoint anyway
# [19:59] <cpeterson> RyanVM|sheriffduty: thanks
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# [20:06] <lmandel> nbp: Can you respond about the need to take bug 1131846 on Beta?
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# [20:07] <padenot> RyanVM|sheriffduty: can you just backout https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7a53ee0cc3ae ?
# [20:07] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> sure
# [20:07] <padenot> RyanVM|sheriffduty: or I can if you're super busy
# [20:08] <nbp> lmandel: done
# [20:09] <lmandel> nbp: Thx
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# [20:19] <Mossop> RyanVM|sheriffduty: Anything up with windows try builds? My build is 98 minutes overdue
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# [20:19] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> link?
# [20:19] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> but probably just backlog
# [20:19] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> note that the hover-over duration is based on request time, not start time
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# [20:22] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> cpeterson: lmandel: bug 1131638 has Windows bustage on beta still
# [20:22] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mattwoodrow|away: cpearce: ping
# [20:22] <philor> treeherder claims that a Windows opt build "typically takes ~39 mins"? I find that surprising
# [20:22] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> Mossop: long story short - I wouldn't put much faith in those overdue numbers
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# [20:23] <Mossop> RyanVM|sheriffduty: Ah ok. It's been running 81 minutes so far: https://treeherder.mozilla.org/#/jobs?repo=try&revision=3f233643ce12
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# [20:24] <philor> from the time that finished jobs below you took, it should finish sometime in the next 20 minutes
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# [20:24] <Mossop> Ok
# [20:24] <philor> wonder if it gets that 39 mins from averaging finished builds and ones that fail out in configure
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# [20:27] <lmandel> RyanVM|sheriffduty: Really? Thought you backed that out.
# [20:27] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> try push :)
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# [20:28] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ugh, it's gonna be a messy one I bet too
# [20:28] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> it's hitting bustage from bug 1097699 not being on 37
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# [20:29] <lmandel> RyanVM|sheriffduty: Ouch.
# [20:29] <lmandel> cpeterson: ^ Also for cpearce
# [20:29] * RyanVM|sheriffduty bows out from that rebase :P
# [20:29] <cpeterson> ok
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# [20:30] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> i added a note to the bug too
# [20:30] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> we're good for aurora at least
# [20:30] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> and bug 1128380 should be OK for beta, which is still likely a pre-req for bug 1131638 to land
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# [20:32] <Standard8> RyanVM|sheriffduty: still need me to look?
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# [20:32] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> Standard8: i needinfo'd you in the bug
# [20:32] <Standard8> RyanVM|sheriffduty: ah, thanks
# [20:32] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> but yes, you'll need to sort it out
# [20:33] <Standard8> RyanVM|sheriffduty: are you pushing to aurora though?
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# [20:34] <Standard8> I’m easy
# [20:34] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> Standard8: yes, I have it queued
# [20:34] <Standard8> ok, ta, I’ll do what’s appropraite for beta then
# [20:35] <Standard8> hmm, not requied
# [20:35] <Standard8> that explains a bit
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# [20:45] <cpeterson> lmandel, RyanVM|sheriffduty: cpearce is looking at the MSE bugs now.
# [20:45] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ok
# [20:45] <lmandel> cpeterson: Thanks for the update
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# [20:49] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> aklotz: looks like bug 1116806 made bug 1136910 near perma-timeout on linux
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# [20:52] <aklotz> ok
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# [21:00] <philor> s/yesterday/Saturday afternoon/ if you look at it in terms of when the last merged thing was pushed, which I usually do
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# [21:36] <cpearce> RyanVM|sheriffduty: good morning, what's up?
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# [21:37] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> cpearce: the beta uplift issues you already discussed w/ cpeterson from the sounds of it
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# [21:39] <cpearce> lmandel: good morning, cpeterson said you needed help on a few bugs?
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# [21:42] <@ehsan> gps: ping
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# [21:44] <gps> ehsan: pong
# [21:44] <@ehsan> gps: how close are we to git support for mozreview? still Q1?
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# [21:45] <gps> ehsan: git or github?
# [21:46] <gps> answer is the same - hopefully q2 for both
# [21:46] <gps> but git is easier than github
# [21:46] <gps> so it may get done sooner
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# [21:46] <@ehsan> gps: not sure what github means here, but I meant git
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# [21:46] <gps> github == pull request integration
# [21:46] <@ehsan> as in, being able to use glandium's git-cinnabar to be able to git push mozreview
# [21:46] <@ehsan> oh, I'm not interested in PRs at all :)
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# [21:47] <gps> i plan to hack up git-cinnabar integration once we have some new commit tracking primitives supported in mozreview
# [21:47] <@ehsan> cool
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# [21:48] <@ehsan> gps: another question, the workflow where you have multiple commits for different bugs applied on top of each other on the same branch is still unsupported right?
# [21:48] <gps> it doesn't work well today, correct
# [21:48] <gps> we're fixing that
# [21:48] <gps> moving to 1 review flag per commit
# [21:48] <gps> and adding better support for having many commits exist in a series
# [21:49] <lmandel> cpearce: Hi. Yes. Did cpeterson give you the list?
# [21:49] <gps> and supporting multiple bugs per series
# [21:49] <cpearce> lmandel: yes. I think we need bug 1131638 on beta. we don't need bug 1128380. bug 1131884 I'm not sure about, cajbir can suggest whether that needs uplift. bug 1127646 we should take. I don't know anything about bug 1097699.
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# [21:49] <gps> this should "just work" for complex workflows
# [21:49] <@ehsan> gps: awesome!
# [21:49] <@ehsan> gps: where should I watch for the upcoming git support? is there a bug#?
# [21:50] <lmandel> cpearce: Bug 1131638 depends on work done in bug 1128380. We either need that plus another bug (Ryan has the number) or we need to rewrite the patch on on 1131638 for Beta.
# [21:50] <gps> ehsan: i'm sure there is a bug somewhere, but i don't know it off hand
# [21:51] <gps> ehsan: i plan to f? glandium and you when i write the code
# [21:51] <lmandel> cpearce: bug 1127646 - this is a larger change than most Telemetry patches. Do we need this on release?
# [21:51] <@ehsan> gps: amazing, thanks!
# [21:52] <lmandel> cpearce: If it's just for beta, can we wait until 38 beta?
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# [21:52] <AutomatedTester> anyone seeing weirdness on Nightly that the UI isnt repainting unless you put another window over it and then cmd+tab/alt+tab?
# [21:52] <lmandel> cpearce: Ah bug 1097699 is the 2nd dependency for 1131638
# [21:54] <gps> AutomatedTester: i saw it last week. not sure if it has persisted to this week
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# [21:54] <AutomatedTester> gps: got it in the latest nightly
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# [21:55] <gps> boo
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# [21:56] <cajbir> lmandel: 1127646 can wait. I commented in bug.
# [21:56] <nalexander> AutomatedTester: gps: see discussion on fx-team.
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# [21:56] <lmandel> cajbir: Thx
# [21:57] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> cpearce: the patch in bug 1131638 depends on a function added in bug 1128380
# [21:57] <mccr8> AutomatedTester gps: sounds like bug 1142957
# [21:57] <lmandel> cajbir: If you want the Telemetry probe in 38, can you request uplift this week?
# [21:57] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> cpearce: pretty sure mattwoodrow can rebase around bug 1097699
# [21:58] <cpearce> RyanVM|sheriffduty: best to ask him ;)
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# [21:58] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> cpearce: already did in the bug ;)
# [21:58] <cajbir> lmandel: I think we'll let it ride the train
# [21:58] <cpearce> lmandel: anything else we can do for you? about to head into another meeting.
# [21:59] <AutomatedTester> mccr8: thanks!
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# [22:01] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mattwoodrow: everything I know is in the bug
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# [22:02] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mattwoodrow: aurora is green with bug 1128380 included (verified in on Try), beta needs the additional working around bug 1097699 on Windows
# [22:02] <lmandel> cajbir: YOu think the fix for bug 1131884 is good to go for Beta?
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# [22:02] <lmandel> cajbir: Based on your testing on Nightly.
# [22:02] <lmandel> cpearce: checking
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# [22:03] <cajbir> lmandel: yes
# [22:03] <lmandel> cajbir: k
# [22:03] <_AtilA_> hmm simple question, Do you accept c-style castings
# [22:03] <_AtilA_> ?
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# [22:03] <froydnj> yes, but C++-style are strongly preferred
# [22:03] <Cykesiopka> Is there any way to get access to a monotonic time stamp in a xpcshell test other than abusing nsITelemetry.msSinceProcessStart()?
# [22:03] <lmandel> cpearce: I need direction on bug 1131638.
# [22:03] <_AtilA_> ..%d", (int)resultVariableType );
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# [22:04] <cpearce> lmandel: ok, mattwoodrow needs to provide that.
# [22:04] <froydnj> yes
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# [22:04] <lmandel> cpearce: Other than that there are just a lot of open MSE bugs that I'd like an update on. I see that Sheila sent an e-mail so maybe my answer is in there.
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# [22:04] <lmandel> cpearce: I take it that means we're not going to have anything ready in the next hour or so
# [22:04] <lmandel> cpeterson: Any update from YouTube?
# [22:04] <seth> _AtilA_: another option besides the verbose C++-style casts is to just write "int(resultVariableType)" in that situation
# [22:05] <cpeterson> lmandel: no word yet
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# [22:05] <cpearce> lmandel: what does "ready" mean? I'm not the right person to be rebasing that patch
# [22:05] <_AtilA_> Yeah, "functional" notation. ok
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# [22:05] <mattwoodrow> lmandel: I have a meeting now, but I’ll do it after that
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# [22:06] <_AtilA_> Thks froydnj & seth
# [22:06] <cpeterson> lmandel: how many more beta 38 builds are there before release?
# [22:06] <lmandel> mattwoodrow: Thanks. Please let me know when you're ready
# [22:06] <gaston> 37 you mean ? :)
# [22:06] <lmandel> cpeterson: Only today and Thursday. 2 left.
# [22:07] <cpeterson> yes, 37 :)
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# [22:08] <cpeterson> lmandel: maybe we should go ahead and disable MSE in today's beta 37 build and hope YouTube comes through in the next ~24 hours? Actually, why do we need to disable MSE on our side when YouTube makes the Flash/HTML5 video decision on the server?
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# [22:09] <lmandel> cpeterson: That's a good question. Why do we need to disable at all? Just to be safe?
# [22:09] <lmandel> kentuckyfriedtakahe: ^
# [22:10] <kentuckyfriedtakahe> lmandel: on Mac OSX
# [22:10] <lmandel> kentuckyfriedtakahe: Right.
# [22:10] <cpeterson> lmandel: the MSE code in 37 is already youtube-only (there is a pref). Once we get YouTube to change the OS X default back to Flash, the MSE code in 37 should be harmless on OS X. Right, kentuckyfriedtakahe?
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# [22:16] <bkelly> linux64 tests not getting scheduled?
# [22:16] <bkelly> or just one aws hamster working them off?
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# [22:19] <bkelly> 90 minutes with my linux64 tests pending and the test queue on trychooser keeps rising
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# [22:20] <@ehsan> bkelly: I'm definitely partly to blame: https://treeherder.mozilla.org/#/jobs?repo=try&revision=646ae17913b1
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# [22:21] <bkelly> ehsan: thanks... no I can kill those jobs :-)
# [22:21] <bkelly> now
# [22:22] <@ehsan> nooooooooooo
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# [22:26] <nthomas> bkelly: fwiw, releng uses 'scheduled' differently to you, eg something is 'pending' then it has been scheduled, it's waiting for a machine to run the job
# [22:26] <nthomas> if it's not pending then it's not scheduled
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# [22:27] <nthomas> having said that, there are more than 1100 tests on linux64 which are pending, but 1500 running
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# [22:28] <bkelly> nthomas: how do you see how many are running?
# [22:28] <nthomas> http://builddata.pub.build.mozilla.org/reports/pending/running.html http://builddata.pub.build.mozilla.org/reports/pending/pending.html
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# [22:29] <nthomas> couple of other options off http://builddata.pub.build.mozilla.org/reports/pending/ too
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# [22:30] <bkelly> thanks
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# [22:31] <MattN> KWierso|sheriffduty: hey, just an FYI that 1cb5e49440ed on fx-team is going to have bc1 bustage which I fixed in the next push with 1375c8688cc4
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# [22:35] <KWierso|sheriffduty> MattN: okay
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# [22:46] <&dbaron> So why are there 1176 pending test jobs on ubuntu64-vm ? http://builddata.pub.build.mozilla.org/reports/pending/pending.html
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# [22:47] <&dbaron> Aren't those Amazon VMs that there's a nearly infinite supply of?
# [22:47] <&dbaron> nthomas, ^
# [22:47] <nthomas> there is a limit, because the buildbot masters needed to coordinate them are not in infinite supply
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# [22:48] <nthomas> also, until very recently 1700 instances was enough for everyone
# [22:49] <&dbaron> nthomas, for the past few weeks it pretty clearly hasn't been...
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# [22:50] <catlee> the inbound/fx-team jobs are starving out try jobs
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# [22:50] <&dbaron> we could close the tree all afternoon to give the try jobs a chance... like most of last week.
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# [22:53] <jgilbert> aww, Try High Scores is broken :(
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# [22:57] <philor> the raw number of pending jobs isn't actually an interesting measure
# [22:57] <philor> other than maybe of "just how many eggs have we put in one basket?"
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# [22:59] <philor> under 1:1 pending:slaves, so it's like saying "there are 130 pending Win7 test jobs"
# [23:00] <philor> when in fact there are more, because win7 is what we're currently actually hosed on
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# [23:01] <tbsaunde> rkcan someone cc me on bug 1134280?
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# [23:04] <tbsaunde> ehsan: ^?
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# [23:04] <philor> tbsaunde: done
# [23:04] <@ehsan> oh too late
# [23:04] <tbsaunde> thanks both of you
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# [23:19] <Cykesiopka> Does anyone know if there is a way to get access to a monotonic time stamp in a xpcshell test other than abusing nsITelemetry.msSinceProcessStart()?
# [23:19] <catlee> jgilbert: fixed highscores
# [23:19] <jgilbert> catlee: thanks!
# [23:19] <nalexander> Cykesiopka: isn't that hard, xpcshell or not? Clocks change. Does *any* hardware guarantee this?
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# [23:20] <jgilbert> catlee: any chance of getting rid of the "winners don't do drugs" thing? Or making it only happen once?
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# [23:20] <Cykesiopka> nalexander: apparently mozilla::Timestamp has ways to guarantee it
# [23:21] <catlee> jgilbert: yeah...
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# [23:22] <nalexander> Cykesiopka: but if I look at: https://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/ds/TimeStamp_darwin.cpp#170
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# [23:23] <nalexander> Cykesiopka: it sure looks like we're calling gettimeofday, which is clearly not monotonic: http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man2/settimeofday.2.html
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# [23:23] <nalexander> Cykesiopka: in any case, I'm don't know how to do this.
# [23:23] <nalexander> dholbert: rs=me.
# [23:23] <dholbert> nalexander, :D
# [23:23] <seth> nalexander: there is a monotonic time API though, isn't there? clock_gettime with CLOCK_MONOTONIC?
# [23:24] <seth> (i dunno if there are equivalents for all platforms)
# [23:24] <nalexander> seth: is there? On all platforms?
# [23:24] <seth> nalexander^ =)
# [23:24] <nalexander> seth: you know much more than I do here.
# [23:24] <seth> nalexander: now you know as much as i do =) i'm not sure about OS X or windows
# [23:25] <shu> you *could* asm out to rdtsc i suppose
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# [23:25] <shu> that's probably what CLOCK_MONOTONIC does
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# [23:25] <nalexander> shu: isn't that hardware specific?
# [23:25] <shu> nalexander: yes, very much so
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# [23:26] <@roc> hey, could a few people try the embedded "red couch" video at http://youtubecreator.blogspot.co.nz/2015/03/a-new-way-to-see-and-share-your-world.html and see if you get the 360-degree controls in Firefox?
# [23:26] <@roc> I don't, but ehsan says he does
# [23:26] <@ehsan> roc: I'm on OSX
# [23:26] <@roc> ok
# [23:26] <nalexander> shu: and does hardware even guarantee that is monotonic? And how do you go from rdtsc to a real time?
# [23:26] <@ehsan> I get a four arrow circle thingy at the top left
# [23:26] <nalexander> roc: ehsan: OS X, I get controls in the top left.
# [23:26] <@ehsan> me too
# [23:27] <seth> nalexander: apparently python implemented a monotonic clock on OS X in this bug: http://bugs.python.org/issue14104
# [23:27] <nalexander> They even do things!
# [23:27] <@roc> interesting
# [23:27] <seth> presumably we could use the same approach
# [23:27] <shu> nalexander: rdtsc counts cycles since reboot, i would imagine that's very monotonic
# [23:27] * @roc wonders if it's blocking Linux or something
# [23:27] <shu> nalexander: as mapping to a real time, no clue :)
# [23:27] <nalexander> shu: aye, ta.
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# [23:27] <@ehsan> firebot: 0x8053001a
# [23:27] <firebot> ehsan: 0x8053001A = 2152923162, 020024600032, 0b10000000010100110000000000011010
# [23:27] <@roc> ok
# [23:28] <seth> shu: but what if the sampling thread ends up scheduled on a different core?
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# [23:28] <seth> shu: you could get non-monotonic results then, right?
# [23:28] <shu> seth: yeah, that's a real problem
# [23:28] <shu> seth: you'd have to set affinity to a single core
# [23:28] <seth> yeah
# [23:29] <mattwoodrow> RyanVM|afk: rebased patch is in the bug
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# [23:34] <jimm> roc: working on win7, nightly
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# [23:36] <@roc> jimm: great thanks
# [23:36] <dougt> sicking: hey.
# [23:36] <@roc> cajbir: looks like the 360degree stuff may be disabled on Linux for some reason
# [23:36] <dougt> sicking: you're being summoned by people.
# [23:36] <sicking> dougt: coming
# [23:36] <dougt> hurry
# [23:36] <dougt> :)
# [23:37] <dougt> wow. haircut?
# [23:37] <sicking> dougt: it was needed
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# [23:37] <cajbir> roc: ok, thanks
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