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  1. # Session Start: Mon Feb 13 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #fx
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  18. # [22:05] <ed> trackbot, start telcon
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  25. # [22:05] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3983
  26. # [22:05] <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see GA_FXTF()4:00PM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
  27. # [22:05] <trackbot> Meeting: CSS-SVG Task Force Teleconference
  28. # [22:05] <trackbot> Date: 13 February 2012
  29. # [22:05] <ed> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-fx/2012JanMar/0091.html
  30. # [22:06] <ed> chair: ed
  31. # [22:07] <ed> Zakim, who's here?
  32. # [22:07] <Zakim> GA_FXTF()4:00PM has not yet started, ed
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  34. # [22:08] <krit> Zakim, who's here?
  35. # [22:08] <Zakim> GA_FXTF()4:00PM has not yet started, krit
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  37. # [22:08] <ed> Present+ ed
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  39. # [22:08] <krit> Present+ krit
  40. # [22:10] <ed> Present+ cyril
  41. # [22:11] <ed> Present+ rik
  42. # [22:18] <ed> scribe: ed
  43. # [22:18] <ed> scribeNick: ed
  44. # [22:18] <ed> topic: transforms issues
  45. # [22:19] <ed> dirk: can svg parsing do parsing with both svg and css parsing rules, without or with units? could svg change here?
  46. # [22:19] <ed> ... would like to modify the svg parser to accept css syntax for transforms, so e.g translate(20px, 20px) would be supported
  47. # [22:19] <ed> rik: that's a big change
  48. # [22:19] <ed> dirk: you have to use units in css syntax anyway
  49. # [22:20] <ed> rik: but for an svg parser not having a css parser?
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  51. # [22:20] <ed> dirk: that's why i'm proposing extended to allow the css syntax, but without requiring a full css parser
  52. # [22:20] <ChrisL> zakim, code?
  53. # [22:20] <Zakim> the conference code is 3983 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ChrisL
  54. # [22:21] <ed> ... if we change transform to be a presentation attribute it's still a property
  55. # [22:22] <ChrisL> all properties are presentation attribues, and the reverse is also true
  56. # [22:22] <ed> ed: the current presentation attributes are still parsed as defined in svg, but we've discussed allowing css syntax (and parsing) in svg attributes
  57. # [22:23] * ed sorry, now missing things due to speaking and scribing at the same time :)
  58. # [22:23] <ChrisL> presentation attributes differences from style sheets: units, scienetific notation, case sensitivity
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  60. # [22:24] <ed> dirk: i also wanted to suggest aryeh gregor as an editor for the merged transforms spec
  61. # [22:24] <ed> cl: is he member of css or svg wg?
  62. # [22:24] <ed> dirk: he's a member of csswg
  63. # [22:25] <ChrisL> https://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=32061&public=1
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  65. # [22:27] <ChrisL> sorry, misread. yes, he is
  66. # [22:27] <cyril> rrsagent, pointer
  67. # [22:27] <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2012/02/13-fx-irc#T21-20-43
  68. # [22:28] <ed> ACTION: dirk to contact all the editors of http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-transforms/ to see if they agree to have Aryeh Gregor as an editor too, and send a mail to public-fx about it
  69. # [22:28] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  70. # [22:28] * RRSAgent records action 1
  71. # [22:28] <trackbot> Created ACTION-69 - Contact all the editors of http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-transforms/ to see if they agree to have Aryeh Gregor as an editor too, and send a mail to public-fx about it [on Dirk Schulze - due 2012-02-20].
  72. # [22:30] <krit> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/fx/wiki/Merged_Transforms#Parser_issues
  73. # [22:30] <ChrisL> minutes are here (scroll down to Transforms )
  74. # [22:30] <ChrisL> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Feb/0550.html
  75. # [22:31] * ed looks through http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Input
  76. # [22:31] <ChrisL> quote "David: I don't want 2d to wait on SVG stuff.
  77. # [22:31] <ChrisL> David: 2d is not going to change. "
  78. # [22:32] <ed> CL: smfr claimed 2d transforms is css only, not fx
  79. # [22:33] <ed> ... pointed out that svg had had transforms much longer, but people didn't want to slow down
  80. # [22:33] <ed> rik: the 2d spec, not the combined one?
  81. # [22:33] <ed> cl: also concerns about where bugs were tracked
  82. # [22:34] <ed> ... csswg wants to push ahead with 2d transforms
  83. # [22:34] <ed> ... perhaps driven by the prefix discussions
  84. # [22:34] <ed> CC: canon was interested in having 3d transforms in svg
  85. # [22:35] <ed> ... we were happy with it being a combined spec
  86. # [22:35] <ed> ... but don't want it to be css only
  87. # [22:35] <ed> ... it needs to work in svg
  88. # [22:35] <ChrisL> I agree with Cyril
  89. # [22:35] <ChrisL> and its sad there is no-one (except for myself) from CSS WG here
  90. # [22:37] <ed> dirk: currently working on the merged transforms spec, we're mostly clear on transform-origin e.g
  91. # [22:39] <ed> ... there's no conclusion from the minutes CL pasted that says the csswg will continue with the 2d transforms independently
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  93. # [22:39] <ed> CL: the minutes are a bit partial, vincent argued that we should work together
  94. # [22:39] <ed> ... and there are issues with the spec still
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  96. # [22:39] <ed> ... some issues joint between 2d and 3d
  97. # [22:40] <ed> ... we should discuss this in Hamburg
  98. # [22:41] <ChrisL> I hope we can move forward on a joint spec at the Hamburg meeting, since we are colocated SVG and CSS at that f2f
  99. # [22:41] <ed> CC: from the minutes, david says "I don't want to wait on 2d stuff", and svg has had transforms for 10-12 years, don't understand why css would have to wait for svg
  100. # [22:41] <ChrisL> also unminutes was Simon querying if there were SVG tests for 2D transforms
  101. # [22:42] <ed> ... would be fine with transform with only 2d that is compatible with svg, and later one spec with 3d with support for svg as well
  102. # [22:42] <ChrisL> quite a bit of what I said was unminuted, it seems
  103. # [22:42] <ed> CL: would be good to have proposed resolutions for the Hamburg meeting
  104. # [22:43] <ed> dirk: mayube the 3d stuff won't be ready, but 2d should be possible
  105. # [22:43] <ChrisL> I agree, Simon is working hard on the 3d stuff
  106. # [22:43] <ed> ... pretty sure we'll have a working draft to hamburg, 3d included
  107. # [22:43] <ed> CC: simon says he was createing tests for 3d transforms
  108. # [22:44] <ed> CL: some concerns from simon in the CSSWG meeting about testing transforms, but svg has had this tested for a long time
  109. # [22:44] <ed> ... should be possible to just take tests from svg
  110. # [22:45] <ed> rik: seems many things went unminuted in the csswg meeting
  111. # [22:47] <ed> dirk: can we resolve that svg will use css-like parsing rules?
  112. # [22:47] <ed> CL: what would it say exactly?
  113. # [22:48] <ed> ed: we can resolve things on the public-fx mailinglist, if enough people respond to the thread
  114. # [22:49] <krit> http://pastebin.com/HWC7mq6y
  115. # [22:49] <ed> dirk: only thing missing is that svg supports scientific notation for numbers
  116. # [22:51] <ed> ed: ok, let's try and resolve this on the list
  117. # [22:51] <ed> Topic: issue-66
  118. # [22:52] <ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/proposals/css-animation/animation-proposal.html
  119. # [22:53] <ed> ed: previous discussions indicated that this should be made a spec module on top of svg 1.1, and perhaps later included in svg2
  120. # [22:53] <ed> dirk: i could be co-editor
  121. # [22:54] <ed> cl: we need someone from MS to take this on
  122. # [22:54] <ChrisL> it would be good to get a co-editor from microsoft, or more involvement from them
  123. # [22:54] <ed> ed: i could also co-edit
  124. # [22:55] * shepazu Zakim, code?
  125. # [22:55] * Zakim the conference code is 3983 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), shepazu
  126. # [22:56] <ed> ... we need more feedback from the csswg, i did send this to www-style, but we might need to get this on the wg's agenda too
  127. # [22:56] <ed> present+ shepazu
  128. # [22:57] * ChrisL do we have a dalek on the line?
  129. # [22:58] <ed> ACTION: ed to contact Microsoft about ISSUE-66, and editorship, and to mail the csswg chairs about the syntax issues for svgattrs->cssprops
  130. # [22:58] * RRSAgent records action 2
  131. # [22:58] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  132. # [22:58] <trackbot> Created ACTION-70 - Contact Microsoft about ISSUE-66, and editorship, and to mail the csswg chairs about the syntax issues for svgattrs->cssprops [on Erik Dahlström - due 2012-02-20].
  133. # [23:00] * ChrisL exterminate.mp3
  134. # [23:02] * ChrisL is astounded that people don't understand gamma companding or what the equation is for luminance
  135. # [23:03] <ed> trackbot, end telcon
  136. # [23:03] * trackbot is ending a teleconference
  137. # [23:03] <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
  138. # [23:03] <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
  139. # [23:03] <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
  140. # [23:03] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/13-fx-minutes.html trackbot
  141. # [23:03] <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
  142. # [23:03] <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/13-fx-actions.rdf :
  143. # [23:03] <RRSAgent> ACTION: dirk to contact all the editors of http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-transforms/ to see if they agree to have Aryeh Gregor as an editor too, and send a mail to public-fx about it [1]
  144. # [23:03] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/13-fx-irc#T21-21-16
  145. # [23:03] <RRSAgent> ACTION: ed to contact Microsoft about ISSUE-66, and editorship, and to mail the csswg chairs about the syntax issues for svgattrs->cssprops [2]
  146. # [23:03] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/13-fx-irc#T21-51-04
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