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  27. # [01:41] <Hixie> you know, <m> might be too similar to <b> and <strong> now to really deserve its own element
  28. # [01:41] <Hixie> (though i still think we should have it)
  29. # [01:41] <Lachy_> I don't think it's too similar
  30. # [01:42] <Lachy_> they should have different default presentations, since <m> is more like highlighter
  31. # [01:43] <Hixie> yeah
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  33. # [01:45] <Lachy_> the problem seems to be people focussing too much on the definition of "highlight" and concluding that it's presentational, when they should be focussing more on the definition of "mark"
  34. # [01:45] <Hixie> yeah, as you wrote on www-html, it needs work
  35. # [01:46] <Lachy_> there's a thread on whatwg from a few months ago where I'm sure I described how it should be defined
  36. # [01:46] <Hixie> yeah, i think it's on the pile
  37. # [01:46] <Hixie> <m> has its own folder
  38. # [01:47] <Lachy_> ah, I forgot we used to have <t> in the spec for terms
  39. # [01:48] <Lachy_> or was it <x>?
  40. # [01:48] <Hixie> it went <i> -> <t> -> <x> -> <term> -> <i>, iirc
  41. # [01:48] <Hixie> not all of them may have gotten checked in
  42. # [01:48] <Lachy_> lol
  43. # [01:49] <othermaciej> full circle
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  46. # [01:51] <Hixie> (repurposing <i> was one of the first things i suggested in www-html back in 1997 or so when i first started looking at web standards)
  47. # [01:53] <h3h> <i> for interesting!
  48. # [01:53] <Hixie> my original idea was <i> for Instance of use of term
  49. # [01:53] <Hixie> as opposed to <dfn>
  50. # [01:53] <Hixie> Defining instance of term
  51. # [01:54] <Hixie> i wish someone would come up with a decent expansion of <hr> that fit the description in the spec, btw
  52. # [01:54] <Hixie> one that isn't a horrible stretch
  53. # [01:56] <othermaciej> <hr> can't stand for "Logical Separator"?
  54. # [01:57] <Hixie> not in english...
  55. # [01:57] <Hixie> Hogical Reparator
  56. # [01:57] <Lachy_> I looked so hard for an expansion of hr, I don't think there is anything in English suitable for it
  57. # [01:57] <Hixie> yeah
  58. # [01:58] <h3h> heuristic rift
  59. # [01:58] <Hixie> one that isn't a horrible stretch :-)
  60. # [01:59] <zcorpan_> horizontal rule
  61. # [01:59] * zcorpan_ hides
  62. # [01:59] <Hixie> hehe
  63. # [01:59] <Hixie> but it could be rendered as stars!
  64. # [01:59] <Hixie> * * *
  65. # [01:59] <othermaciej> "hunk range limit"
  66. # [01:59] <tH> human rests
  67. # [02:00] <Hixie> see, there's just no good expansion
  68. # [02:00] <h3h> mine has a meaning that's mostly the same at least :)
  69. # [02:00] <Hixie> :-)
  70. # [02:00] <othermaciej> "hunk rift" would be a separator between sections, though a weird way to say it
  71. # [02:01] <tH> Hold on, Reader!
  72. # [02:01] <h3h> hah
  73. # [02:01] <Lachy_> Hard Rock
  74. # [02:01] <Hixie> oh dear what have a started
  75. # [02:01] <Dashiva> I think the h should be holistic
  76. # [02:01] <tH> a horrible retrofitting
  77. # [02:01] <Philip`> Heavy rest
  78. # [02:02] <h3h> heterogenous rift
  79. # [02:02] <zcorpan_> hRule
  80. # [02:02] <othermaciej> half rupture
  81. # [02:03] <othermaciej> Half-ass Retcon
  82. # [02:03] <Dashiva> I favor the horrible retrofitting now
  83. # [02:03] <Lachy_> h... respite
  84. # [02:06] * zcorpan_ finds http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/1997Dec/0064.html
  85. # [02:07] <zcorpan_> <more> == <details>?
  86. # [02:10] <zcorpan_> appears not
  87. # [02:11] <h3h> nice geek code
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  89. # [02:13] <Lachy_> how about: handy respite
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  99. # [03:29] <cying> boy
  100. # [03:29] <cying> i wish there was some way to reduce the traffic on html-wg
  101. # [03:29] <cying> what if people wrote position papers on the wiki?
  102. # [03:29] <cying> then they could exposit as much as they want out of band
  103. # [03:29] <cying> and refer to sections in-band
  104. # [03:29] <cying> i feel like i'm reading the same thing over and over again
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  107. # [03:41] <Hixie> othermaciej: i think we need to do to Pave The Cowpaths the same as we did to Don't Break The Web -- rephrase it, possibly split it into multiple principles
  108. # [03:41] <Hixie> there seems to be a lot of confusion around it
  109. # [03:42] <Hixie> i think we should have a principle that says that new features should be based on a researched indication of demand (e.g. <footer> from the high incidence of class=footer)
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  111. # [03:43] <Hixie> i think we should have a principle that says that evidence showing a feature _wouldn't_ or _doesn't_ work (e.g. the lack of use of profile="") should be taken into account
  112. # [03:44] <Hixie> and i think we should have a principle that says that existing practices, where harmless or beneficial, should be adopted, rather than trying to swim upstream for purely theoretical reasons (or maybe the Priority of Constituencies priciple already covers that and just needs another example)
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  221. # [22:11] <Olivier_G> Hello all !
  222. # [22:14] <Olivier_G> So, what about BOF tomorow. Seems that we don't have a place and a time to meet...
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