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  35. # [04:04] <MikeSmith> I think it would be useful to have a somewhere a high-level "What problems we are trying to solve with HTML5" description.
  36. # [04:05] <MikeSmith> Suggestions?
  37. # [04:05] <MikeSmith> I think "interoperability among browsers" may be a big one.
  38. # [04:07] <karl> MikeSmith: are you inclined to write an article about it. OR do you want me to do it?
  39. # [04:13] <MikeSmith> I could write something up about it I guess
  40. # [04:13] <karl> you can publish it on the QA weblog if you want
  41. # [04:13] <karl> and it will appear on the /html
  42. # [04:18] <MikeSmith> OK, will do (of/
  43. # [04:19] <MikeSmith> (if/when I actually write something up)
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  45. # [04:35] <karl> http://chris.pirillo.com/video/christmas/ - Comparison of Soapbox vs. YouTube vs. Break.com vs. Vimeo. vs. Jumpcut vs. Blip.tv vs. Metacafe vs. Revver vs. iFilm.
  46. # [04:51] <karl> http://blog.summerwind.jp/archives/1065/
  47. # [04:51] <karl> "HTMLへの不満を持っている人の多くは、今回のイベントに参加するような熱心なWeb制作者とよばれる人々ではないでしょうか。だからこそWeb制作者の人々は積極的に策定に関わるべきではないかと自分は思います。「パンくずリストをどうマークアップするか」などといった議論がよくありますが、それを現在の仕様という「制限」の中で単に
  48. # [04:51] <karl> 制作者の間で繰り広げるのではなくて、WGで仕様の策定段階での問題点として議論し、皆で一つの方向を導き、その仕様を作りかえるという事も今（仕様策定中）であれば可能なはずです。"
  49. # [04:58] * zcorpan ran it through google translate but still can't understand what it says
  50. # [04:59] <karl> yes, online translators are quite bad at translating japanese.
  51. # [05:00] <karl> he's encouraging japanese people to participate to the HTML WG.
  52. # [05:00] <zcorpan> ok
  53. # [05:00] <karl> but problems of language barriers
  54. # [05:00] <gavin_> japanese tends to make this terminal beep :)
  55. # [05:00] <karl> imagine that the difficulty you had to go through this
  56. # [05:01] <karl> is exactly what happens for many communities in the world with regards to the specs
  57. # [05:01] <karl> there is a strong cultural bias
  58. # [05:01] <karl> because experts in one domain doesn't necessary know the language of the spec.
  59. # [05:01] <karl> s/doesn't/don't/
  60. # [05:02] <zcorpan> everyone should just learn english... :P
  61. # [05:02] * karl kicks zcorpan
  62. # [05:02] <karl> ;)
  63. # [05:02] * zcorpan was about to go anyway
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  66. # [05:43] <karl> http://blog.mozilla.com/
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  83. # [07:36] <karl> http://www.caminobrowser.org/features/
  84. # [07:36] <karl> Camino 1.5 released
  85. # [07:36] <karl> "Session Saving"
  86. # [07:37] <karl> full release notes http://camino.sb.samuelsidler.com/releases/1.5/
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  89. # [07:59] <karl> http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/display/DESPAT/Sortable+table
  90. # [07:59] <karl> sortable table
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  95. # [08:21] <Hixie> karl: the 22 Nov 2007 date in the history on http://www.w3.org/html/wg/#charter_history should be 2006
  96. # [08:22] <Hixie> it's amusing that that history doesn't mention the whatwg, despite the fact that the whatwg was the single most important motivating factor in the creation of that group :-)
  97. # [08:24] <karl> Hixie: I will fix it. Thanks.
  98. # [08:25] <Hixie> np
  99. # [08:27] <karl> for the history, DanC is the maintainer of this page. I guess, he keeps a record of the W3C history of HTML. You should ask him.
  100. # [08:27] <karl> ok fixed.
  101. # [08:29] <karl> video is being implemented in Firefox
  102. # [08:30] <karl> I wonder why people do not request on the same idea a <geomap> element
  103. # [08:31] <karl> I see geographical localization, contextualization with maps all the time
  104. # [08:31] <karl> and more and more geo APIs
  105. # [08:31] <karl> the geo community is very healthy and active too
  106. # [08:34] <karl> http://www.planetgs.com/
  107. # [08:35] <karl> http://www.google.com/search?num=20&hl=en&safe=off&q=%22geo+apis%22&btnG=Search
  108. # [08:36] <karl> http://www.google.com/search?num=20&hl=en&safe=off&q=%22map+apis%22&btnG=Search
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  122. # [11:02] * anne wonders what <geomap> would do...
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  129. # [12:47] <Pafitis> Hey . What do I need in order to write php ?
  130. # [12:48] <anne> wrong channel
  131. # [12:48] <Pafitis> but there isn't a php channel
  132. # [12:48] <anne> (and server)
  133. # [12:48] <Pafitis> lol am i banned from php in undernet and efnet
  134. # [12:48] <Pafitis> i am *
  135. # [12:49] <Pafitis> I ask them and the insult me
  136. # [12:49] <Pafitis> the abuse me
  137. # [12:49] <Pafitis> they*
  138. # [12:49] <Pafitis> they are rude
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  176. # [19:34] <anne> wow
  177. # [19:34] <anne> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/IssueTableHeaders is awesome
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  179. # [19:39] <hsivonen> anne: wow. indeed. *much* better than the <base> issue
  180. # [19:40] <DanC> wild
  181. # [19:40] <DanC> "Screen readers do not support scope very well and the rowgroup, colgroup elements, not at all." begs for a test case.
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  185. # [20:59] <mjs> DanC: that page sure seems detailed but it failed to link to http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/TableAccessibility
  186. # [20:59] <mjs> DanC: which has testing info that contradicts that claim
  187. # [21:01] <mjs> (though the testing info is also too detailed and needs summarization)
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  197. # [23:08] <gsnedders> PDT is GMT -7, right?
  198. # [23:10] <gsnedders> which means the IRC "office hours" start at 17:00Z
  199. # [23:10] <gavin_> yes
  200. # [23:10] <gavin_> well, to the first question
  201. # [23:10] <gavin_> I don't know about the office hours
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