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  1. # Session Start: Mon Jul 02 00:00:00 2007
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  16. # [03:59] <karl> hmm 157 emails to read for the html wg
  17. # [04:04] <Bob_le_Pointu> Most about LONGDESC.
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  21. # [04:27] * karl wonders if anne will complain if I commit the status section to HTML 5 differences document?
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  23. # [06:26] <karl> http://mynotes.jp/blog/2007/06/html5
  24. # [06:26] <karl> HTML 5の覚書
  25. # [06:26] <gavin> d
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  28. # [08:32] <MikeSmith> karl - about mynotes.jp -
  29. # [08:33] <MikeSmith> Kazuyasu(?) Ishikawa?
  30. # [08:33] <MikeSmith> do we know him?
  31. # [08:33] <MikeSmith> whois says "Ikuo Ishikawa"
  32. # [08:35] <MikeSmith> how don't know how to read 一靖 for sure but I think it's "Kazuyasu"
  33. # [08:45] <karl> I do not know him
  34. # [08:45] <MikeSmith> karl - how did you come across that link?
  35. # [08:45] <karl> powah of aggregators
  36. # [08:47] <MikeSmith> OK
  37. # [08:47] <MikeSmith> ah, I find at his site this:
  38. # [08:47] <MikeSmith> 石川 一靖に改名しました。理由は、前のハンドルが気に入らなかった、人名っぽくしたかった、音読みの名前にしたかった等々。
  39. # [08:47] <MikeSmith> so I guess it's now his real name
  40. # [08:47] <MikeSmith> personal-name part
  41. # [08:48] <MikeSmith> seems like maybe Ishikawa really is his family name
  42. # [08:48] <karl> http://twitter.com/elastic965
  43. # [08:50] <MikeSmith> looks like he knows Kurumatani-san
  44. # [08:51] <MikeSmith> which means maybe he knows Yudai also
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  47. # [09:14] <anne> karl, if you also generate Overview.html, sure
  48. # [09:20] <anne> karl, btw, I asked for some changes to some part of the doc
  49. # [09:20] <anne> karl, please don't commit
  50. # [09:20] <anne> karl, my local copy contains some other fixes and CVS merge is painful
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  55. # [09:58] <anne> lol, 4 FOs now
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  65. # [11:34] <notabeneorg> hi all
  66. # [11:34] * notabeneorg is now known as StephaneD
  67. # [11:34] <anne> hi
  68. # [11:35] * StephaneD reading HTML 5 diff from HTML 4 and looking at all he's missing the last few months
  69. # [11:35] <StephaneD> (you people are too active on the ML) ;)
  70. # [11:35] <anne> agreed
  71. # [11:35] <anne> fortunately, I'll be going on vacation this Saturday
  72. # [11:36] <StephaneD> hehe
  73. # [11:38] <anne> if you haven't been active in the WHATWG there's prolly more to catch up from btw
  74. # [11:42] <StephaneD> the diff, and if I've got the time, I might read the spec too- I'm told that what we considered as given for accessibility for instance has been re-thought a lot
  75. # [11:42] <StephaneD> I have to be up to date with it - some ideas sound interesting and easy to implement, like the a@rel=longdesc thing
  76. # [11:42] <StephaneD> anne: what good reading would you suggest after I'm done with the diff though?
  77. # [11:44] <anne> rel=longdesc is not part of the spec though :)
  78. # [11:44] <anne> I suppose the spec is best to read next
  79. # [11:44] <anne> although depending on how technical you are it might be difficult to get through
  80. # [11:44] <StephaneD> it's ok, i'm geeky enough
  81. # [11:45] <anne> :)
  82. # [11:45] <StephaneD> yeah, i see it's not part of the spec, but the idea is intersting though
  83. # [11:45] <anne> yeah
  84. # [11:45] <StephaneD> (didn't think I'd ever say I was "geeky enough" on a w3c irc channel :))
  85. # [11:46] <StephaneD> anyway, stuff to read, catch y'all later
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  93. # [14:39] <StephaneD> hi again
  94. # [14:39] <StephaneD> anne: I saw a typo in the html5-4 diff
  95. # [14:39] <StephaneD> "<em/content/." an error in conversion I suppose - should be "<em>content</em>"
  96. # [14:40] <anne> that's actually an SGML example
  97. # [14:40] <anne> also conforming HTML4
  98. # [14:41] <StephaneD> gah
  99. # [14:41] <StephaneD> (so, to answer this morning's question, I'm *not* geeky enough) :)
  100. # [14:41] <anne> HTML5 has a simpler syntax ;)
  101. # [14:41] <StephaneD> hehe
  102. # [14:41] <anne> closer to XML
  103. # [14:42] <StephaneD> I should have guessed, you *did* say it was esoteric
  104. # [14:44] <zcorpan> that's a great example of why sgml parsing is incompatible with the real world, btw. e.g. <a href=http://example.org> or <br />
  105. # [14:45] <zcorpan> which would be equivalent to <a href="http:"></a>example.org and <br>&gt;
  106. # [14:45] <zcorpan> er
  107. # [14:45] <zcorpan> <a href="http:"></a>example.org&gt; and <br>&gt;
  108. # [14:45] <StephaneD> yeah
  109. # [14:46] <StephaneD> creepy syntax
  110. # [14:46] <StephaneD> OK, I'm going back to reading the doc
  111. # [14:46] <StephaneD> see ya
  112. # [14:46] <zcorpan> cya
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  118. # [15:48] <gsnedders> well, you don't really need to escape the greater than sign, but it makes it clearer
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  134. # [17:08] <MikeSmith> kazuhito - you there?
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  137. # [17:21] <kazuhito> 　Yes.
  138. # [17:25] <MikeSmith> kazuhito - I just bought an e-mobile HSDPA wireless modem tonight at Yodobashi
  139. # [17:26] <kazuhito> Sounds nice - enjoying w/Opera?
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  141. # [17:30] <MikeSmith> kazuhito - Opera, Safari, Iceweasel, Konqueror, iCab, Shiira, Flock, OmniWeb, Camino, Minefield ...
  142. # [17:31] <MikeSmith> real test of this thing will be how well it works on the train between here an Keio/SFC
  143. # [17:32] <MikeSmith> if it works, I've just bought myself another 3 hours a day of getting-stuff-done-online time
  144. # [17:34] <kazuhito> MikeSmith - ;-)
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  147. # [17:37] <MikeSmith> kazuhito - however, I will still be stopping by Tully's to buy tea and eat cinnamon rolls
  148. # [17:37] <kazuhito> Yeah, you can't get caffeine
  149. # [17:37] <kazuhito> from the device...
  150. # [17:41] <MikeSmith> kazuhito - by the way, do you know "Ishikawa Kazuyasu"? (or maybe his actual name is Ishikawa Ikuo, or maybe not)
  151. # [17:41] <MikeSmith> this guy:
  152. # [17:41] <MikeSmith> http://mynotes.jp/
  153. # [17:42] <MikeSmith> http://mynotes.jp/blog/2007/06/html5
  154. # [17:42] <kazuhito> MikeSmith - That's one of blogs I'm reading, but I don't know him.
  155. # [17:42] <kazuhito> Yes, I read the entry.
  156. # [17:42] <MikeSmith> OK, I was just wondering if I had ever met him
  157. # [17:42] <MikeSmith> I don't recognize the name
  158. # [17:42] <MikeSmith> but I meet a lot of people
  159. # [17:42] <kazuhito> No, not yet.
  160. # [17:43] <kazuhito> Is he a HTML WG member?
  161. # [17:44] <MikeSmith> not, not as far as I know
  162. # [17:44] <MikeSmith> not under that name at least
  163. # [17:44] <kazuhito> :-)
  164. # [17:45] <MikeSmith> but I don't know for sure how to read 「一靖」
  165. # [17:45] <MikeSmith> Kazuyasu?
  166. # [17:46] <MikeSmith> And he mentions on his page about on-yomi for 石川一靖
  167. # [17:47] <MikeSmith> so I wonder what the on-yomi is for that
  168. # [17:47] <kazuhito> It could be, but I'm not sure.
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  173. # [18:03] * beowulf notes the longdesc example in the longdesc wiki page is somewhat contentious and inaccurate
  174. # [18:04] <beowulf> :)
  175. # [18:06] <beowulf> 'course, an image of the union flag wouldn't get the date wrong, or that ireland is no longer in the union...
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  211. # [23:12] <DanC> catching up on html4-differences stuff...
  212. # [23:12] <DanC> hmm... quite a bit of translation; I wonder if I should add translation to the tasks list http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/tasks83/
  213. # [23:14] <mjs> I hope I can find time to work on the design principles doc this week
  214. # [23:17] <DanC> that'll be good
  215. # [23:19] <DanC> I thought about not putting the question on the differences document until the design principles document was more ready... it's really tough to decide whether the question I put re html4-differences should carry.
  216. # [23:19] <mjs> I think it should, because the objections are not on technical matters
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  218. # [23:20] <mjs> the only possible technical objection to the diffs document would be that it is factually wrong
  219. # [23:21] <DanC> publication isn't a technical decision. the social issues count.
  220. # [23:22] <DanC> it's nice to have 65 "yes" responses, but it would be nicer to have responses from AOL, IBM, Microsoft etc. too
  221. # [23:22] <DanC> Nokio
  222. # [23:22] <DanC> Nokia
  223. # [23:22] <DanC> Glazman
  224. # [23:22] <mjs> well, I'm not sure what to do about that besides encourage them to pay attention and ask them for their opinion
  225. # [23:23] * DanC might prod them
  226. # [23:23] <DanC> I have Apple, Mozilla, and Opera. That's non-trivial.
  227. # [23:25] <DanC> anne, I think it's in order to elaborate "Details of accessibility and media-independence features." by mentioning longdesc in particular
  228. # [23:25] <DanC> (well, strictly speaking, it's probably out of order; but it's The Right Thing to do.)
  229. # [23:26] <mjs> the others you mentioned have not been participating that actively so far, for better or for worse
  230. # [23:26] * myakura is now translating html4-diffs into japanese
  231. # [23:26] <DanC> Sam Ruby is moderately active
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  233. # [23:26] <DanC> Glazman comes and goes. I like to hear from him on such things.
  234. # [23:27] <hsivonen> the Nokia guy may well be on vacation if he has normal Finnish vacation times
  235. # [23:27] <DanC> I think when Sam Ruby joined the WG, he explicitly said he didn't intend to coordinate with the rest of IBM much.
  236. # [23:32] <gsnedders> most of the formal objections seem mainly be related to the fact that we haven't reviewed HTML 5 yet, which isn't really relevant when we're talking about a draft note…
  237. # [23:33] <gsnedders> 5% formal objections isn't overly nice, though
  238. # [23:35] <hsivonen> gsnedders: objecting because we haven't reviewed yet makes no sense because the doc whose publication we are discussing is supposed to assist in the review
  239. # [23:36] <Sander> glazman is on vacation according to his weblog (no indication of how long, alas)
  240. # [23:36] <gsnedders> hsivonen: that's a further reason why they aren't really relevant
  241. # [23:37] <DanC> ah... good to know, Sander
  242. # [23:38] <gsnedders> I really need to get most of the review done by the 19th, when I go away
  243. # [23:38] <gsnedders> the parsing algorithm won't be done till August now in all probability
  244. # [23:38] <gsnedders> (by me, that is)
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  247. # [23:41] <DanC> gsnedders, pls update the tasks survey with that schedule info
  248. # [23:42] <gsnedders> DanC: yeah, I'm doing that as we speak
  249. # [23:42] <DanC> tx
  250. # [23:42] * DanC is making a new survey re the design principles...
  251. # [23:43] <gsnedders> ooo… exam results scarcely over a month away!
  252. # Session Close: Tue Jul 03 00:00:00 2007

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