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  30. # [05:07] <karl> http://www.w3.org/TR/WD-Micropayment-Markup/#Appendix%201
  31. # [05:07] <karl> "For user agents that do not support the OBJECT element, and for reasons of backward compatibility, authors MAY use the APPLET or EMBED element.
  32. # [05:07] <karl> Note. The APPLET element is deprecated in HTML 4.0 and SHOULD be avoided. The EMBED element is not part of a W3C Recommendation and SHOULD be avoided. Authors SHOULD use the OBJECT element."
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  43. # [08:40] <karl> http://www.access-company.com/products/clientsuite/
  44. # [08:40] <karl> Browser for Mobile
  45. # [08:41] <karl> Markup
  46. # [08:41] <karl> * cHTML, HTML 4.01, XHTML 1.1, XHTML Mobile Profile 1.2, WML 1.3, SVGT-1.2, SMIL 2.1, RSS feed (RSS 0.9/0.91/0.92/1.0/2.0, Atom 0.3/1.0)
  47. # [08:41] <karl> Stylesheets
  48. # [08:41] <karl> * CSS1, CSS2.1, CSS3* (partial), CSS MP1.1
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  53. # [09:17] <hsivonen> karl: is that what Sony ships on PSP or something different?
  54. # [09:17] <karl> yes hsivonen exactly
  55. # [09:22] <hsivonen> hmm. we've got a fifth FO
  56. # [09:23] <karl> s/FO/Formal Objection/
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  59. # [09:39] <mjs> hsivonen: survey link?
  60. # [09:39] <hsivonen> mjs: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/trdiff/results
  61. # [09:46] <mjs> it would be so cool if summary, headers and longdesc are really the only controversial changes in the spec
  62. # [09:47] <Hixie> hah
  63. # [09:48] <mjs> I am also amazed that anyone things the design principles document will be less controversial and could be published more quickly
  64. # [09:49] <mjs> which reminds me that I need to edit it a bit and request review once I fix some webkit bugs
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  66. # [09:49] <hsivonen> mjs: yeah, I had a WTF moment with the suggestion that design principles would be easier to agree on
  67. # [09:50] <mjs> it's like, does anyone remember what happened last time we tried to discuss that?
  68. # [09:51] <hsivonen> Hixie: are all the parts marked (fragment case) guaranteed not to happen in the non-fragment case?
  69. # [09:51] <hsivonen> I wonder if I should prefix them with fragmentCase &&
  70. # [09:54] <hsivonen> hmm. I guess I let the checks run always. I'm not trying to optimize blatantly non-conforming cases
  71. # [09:54] <hsivonen> (even though most of the Web is blatantly non-conforming...)
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  74. # [10:00] <hsivonen> zcorpan: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20070704#l-192
  75. # [10:01] <mjs> hsivonen: I think the algorithm will always terminate with a parent stack, instead of following parent pointers
  76. # [10:02] <mjs> but it might miss nodes
  77. # [10:02] <mjs> I'm not sure what algorithm, if any, would be sure to get IE's pseudo-trees right
  78. # [10:02] <hsivonen> mjs: sounds right
  79. # [10:03] <mjs> you would expect firstChild/nextSibling links to form a spanning tree of the DOM
  80. # [10:05] <zcorpan> hsivonen: i've handled those by checking that the previous parent is the same as current's parent (you'll see " (misnested... aborting)")
  81. # [10:07] <zcorpan> hsivonen: not sure if it's possible to output the entire tree anyway with the traversal algorithm. it's possible with the recursive
  82. # [10:08] <hsivonen> my list of unimplemented private stub methods in the tree builder is getting frighteningly long...
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  85. # [10:19] <hsivonen> hurrah! IN_SELECT is much more sane than many of the other modes
  86. # [10:19] <hsivonen> "Parse error. Ignore the token." now that's what I like
  87. # [10:19] <anne> IN_BODY has that too
  88. # [10:19] <anne> for stuff like <td>, <col> etc.
  89. # [10:37] <Hixie> hsivonen: in theory. but i would recommend using assert()s rather than coding them explicitly as conditions. occasionally i mislabel one.
  90. # [10:40] <hsivonen> Hixie: ok
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  167. # [22:10] <gsnedders> final day of school before the summer tomorrow… hopefully finally get the review properly started on Sat or so
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