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  49. # [09:05] <karl> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/html-test/
  50. # [09:05] <karl> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Test/
  51. # [09:06] <karl> http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/CSS3/Selectors/current/html/index.html
  52. # [09:06] <karl> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/tests/
  53. # [09:06] <karl> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/TS/
  54. # [09:07] <karl> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/TS/html401/
  55. # [09:07] <karl> http://www.w3.org/2002/11/DOM-Level-2-HTML-Results/
  56. # [09:08] <heycam> was LiveConnect 3 ever completed/implemented?
  57. # [09:09] <karl> http://www.w3.org/People/mimasa/test/imagemap/
  58. # [09:09] <karl> http://www.w3.org/People/mimasa/test/
  59. # [09:10] <karl> http://www.w3.org/2007/05/dom-head-body.xhtml
  60. # [09:14] <karl> http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl-tests/
  61. # [09:15] <karl> http://www.w3.org/2006/11/mwbp-tests/index.xhtml
  62. # [09:18] <karl> http://esw.w3.org/topic/ObjectTestResults
  63. # [09:19] <karl> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/
  64. # [09:21] <karl> http://www.mozilla.org/quality/browser/standards-removed.html
  65. # [09:22] <karl> http://www.robinlionheart.com/stds/html4/
  66. # [09:22] <karl> http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc/html40-test/
  67. # [09:22] <karl> http://dillo.rti-zone.org/Html.testsuite/
  68. # [09:23] <karl> http://tantek.com/XHTML/Test/
  69. # [09:36] <karl> http://www.w3.org/2001/06/utf-8-test/
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  81. # [10:55] <hsivonen> perhaps theoretical compatilibility with previous specs should be a stated non-goal whereas compatibility with existing content and browsers is a real goal
  82. # [10:56] <anne> isn't that already obvious by no longer using SGML and such?
  83. # [10:56] <anne> (guess not)
  84. # [10:56] <hsivonen> anne: reading the list this morning, I have to conclude "not"
  85. # [10:57] <mjs> anne: can you remind me of the tool to regenerate the design principles document?
  86. # [10:58] <mjs> from the source
  87. # [10:58] <mjs> (I have access to cvs)
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  89. # [11:00] <anne> curl -u w3c-username:w3c-password -F file=@Overview.src.html -F group=none -F output=html -F method=file http://cgi.w3.org/member-bin/process.cgi -o Overview.html
  90. # [11:00] <anne> mjs, see command above
  91. # [11:00] <mjs> anne: thanks!
  92. # [11:00] <anne> just replace w3c-username and w3c-password and run it in the directory where you have Overview.src.html
  93. # [11:10] <anne> hsivonen, otoh, I see e-mails where Robert Burns claims he understands that backwards compatibility means compatibility with existing content and implementations
  94. # [11:10] <anne> http://www.w3.org/mid/ED50D851-23B9-491E-8758-F4738EA996D7@robburns.com
  95. # [11:12] <anne> http://www.w3.org/mid/4A36D31A-04E9-430E-8622-0E099BE8C60A@robburns.com is also interesting
  96. # [11:14] <mjs> Robert Burns understands compatibility
  97. # [11:14] <mjs> but he also wants theoretical namespace integrity
  98. # [11:14] <mjs> or whatever
  99. # [11:17] <hsivonen> well, he also said XHTML UAs are already ok with <img> content as fallback when they only hide it and don't support it as fallback
  100. # [11:17] <anne> HTML WG F2F meeting is cancelled btw?
  101. # [11:17] <mjs> is it?
  102. # [11:17] <mjs> when was it going to be?
  103. # [11:18] <anne> 31jul-1,2aug
  104. # [11:18] <mjs> I guess Robert Burns says a lot of confused things
  105. # [11:18] <anne> but it seems we now have a telcon on aug2
  106. # [11:19] <hsivonen> anne: the impression I got was that a proper f2f was canceled but then people were encouraged to get together barcamp-style around some other happening in the Bay Area
  107. # [11:19] <anne> ok...
  108. # [11:40] <hsivonen> I'm getting a flashback of the elharo/tantek semantics thread from www-style from a few years back
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  121. # [13:34] <anne> nice
  122. # [13:35] <anne> firefox plans on not moving <title>
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  125. # [13:54] <hsivonen> grr. always have to look for the namespace uris for copy paste. can't type from memory
  126. # [13:55] <anne> xmlns="html" would have been nice
  127. # [13:56] <anne> or simply xmlns="web"
  128. # [14:03] * hsivonen is reminded of http://tantek.com/log/2002/08.html#L20020821t2114 again
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  154. # [17:24] <hsivonen> I'm inclined to think that it will be confusing for users if the parser reorders content and then the higher layers of the conformance checker complain about that. Therefore, I think I should throw a fatal error in non-streamable cases not only for the sake of perf but also for the sake of understandability of the messages
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