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# [04:09] <Lachy> wow, there is just no way to make Robert see any logic or reasoning.
# [04:10] <Lachy> I don't think I'll be responding to him much more, if at all.
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# [10:43] <Bob_le_Pointu> public-html@w3.org : Created 135 days ago. 6898 messages posted at this time... This is just insane.... (Glazou)
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# [10:56] <hsivonen> Bob_le_Pointu: I wonder how many messages atom-syntax got during the first 135 days
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# [11:25] <Lachy> I only counted 5956 messages in the public-html archive
# [11:30] <hsivonen> if someone wanted to spend even more time on this, there are all sorts of things to analyze: who produce the largest # of messages? who starts the largest # of threads? who posts the largest # of replies?
# [11:32] <Lachy> that might be difficult to count, since some messages start new threads but are are actually replies to existing posts, and some replies omit the In-Reply-To header, and so appear as new threads
# [11:34] <Lachy> I could probably do it, but I've also got off-list replies in my archives as well, which would skew the results a bit too
# [11:34] <Lachy> I suppose I could download the mboxes from the w3 archive and use those
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# [14:08] <krijnh> Lachy: any numbers already? ;)
# [14:09] <Lachy> haven't done it yet, I need to work out a way to do it
# [14:09] <krijnh> Hehe
# [14:10] <Lachy> I'll probably need to write a script to process the files
# [14:24] <Philip`> Surely it would be more fun to read through the whole list archive by hand, rather than letting a script have all that excitement?
# [14:25] <krijnh> Riight
# [14:27] <Lachy> Philip`: you're welcome to count by hand if you like. We can compare the results when you're done and see if we have the same numbers
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# [19:06] <hsivonen> the latest message to the list reminds me of http://annevankesteren.nl/2007/04/html-red-pill
# [19:06] <hsivonen> instead of replying, I'm just going to head to the bar to vent
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# [21:34] <Philip`> Interestingly, if you say <ul> <li>a</li> <li>b</li> </ul> then IE6 puts the whitespace into the li elements, whereas Opera/FF/HTML5 create extra text nodes under the ul
# [21:34] <Philip`> so for compatibility you should always omit the </li>
# [21:44] <zcorpan> Philip`: yeah, ie ignores </li> tags altogether
# [21:49] <zcorpan> Philip`: http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2007-June/011884.html
# [21:58] <zcorpan> seems ie ignores </dt> and <dd> too
# [21:58] <zcorpan> i mean </dd>
# [21:59] <Philip`> </body> and </html> too
# [21:59] <Philip`> Not </td> or </tr>, though
# [22:02] <Philip`> http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3Ca%3E%3C/li%3E - huh?
# [22:03] <zcorpan> what's surprising?
# [22:04] <zcorpan> ah, i treats </li> as an unknown tag when it's not "in body"
# [22:04] <Philip`> The </li> isn't ignored
# [22:04] <Philip`> Is it not 'in body' after the <a>?
# [22:05] <zcorpan> not in ie
# [22:05] <Philip`> Oh, okay
# [22:05] <zcorpan> you need something... "significant"
# [22:05] <zcorpan> like text or an <input>
# [22:06] <zcorpan> or a <body> tag
# [22:06] <Philip`> What makes it decide to move the A element into the BODY element, without moving the /LI that was originally inside the A?
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# [22:07] <zcorpan> unknown elements are moved to before the root until you get "in body"
# [22:08] <zcorpan> this is also interesting: http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3Cinput%20type%3Dhidden%3E%3C/li%3E
# [22:08] <zcorpan> remove type=hidden
# [22:08] <zcorpan> unknown elements can also be put in head
# [22:08] <Philip`> Ah, okay - that makes about as much sense as I would expect IE to be able to make
# [22:09] <zcorpan> fun thing that <input> can be a metadata element if it has type=hidden
# [22:10] <zcorpan> you know, we might be able to support forms with hidden inputs in head in text/html
# [22:10] <zcorpan> use-cases anyone?
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# [22:17] <zcorpan> i would like parallell testing in one go. the four major rendering engines and html5lib.
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# [23:54] <anne> heh, second comment in http://za-tech-blog.blogspot.com/2007/07/i-give-you-xhtml3oh-sorry-html5.html attributes HTML5 to the non-free software world
# [23:59] <hsivonen> anne: what's the list that the Mozilla Foundation is allegedly not on?
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