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  1. # Session Start: Tue Jul 24 00:00:00 2007
  2. # Session Ident: #html-wg
  3. # [00:00] <zcorpan> mjs: ok. what about lowercasing?
  4. # [00:00] <mjs> zcorpan: I don't know about lowercasing
  5. # [00:00] <mjs> I guess that would make sense
  6. # [00:01] <mjs> though I hadn't really thought about it
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  8. # [00:05] <anne> http://www.w3.org/News/2007#item156
  9. # [00:07] <anne> (lowercase == ascii-lowercase?)
  10. # [00:07] <zcorpan> (yes)
  11. # [00:10] <zcorpan> (i need tests on that too)
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  14. # [00:17] <Philip`> Aha, tokeniser tests now pass in Perl
  15. # [00:18] <Philip`> (except for lacking the input stream processing stuff, and some Unicode issues)
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  18. # [00:23] <Philip`> The Perl one takes 20 seconds for tokenising the HTML5 spec, which I think is about the same as Python-with-Psyco was, and a hundred times slower than C++
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  24. # [00:51] <Philip`> http://canvex.lazyilluminati.com/misc/parser/tokeniser.html - new and updated, including a highly useful HTML-to-HTML converter which is probably buggy
  25. # [01:05] <zcorpan> Philip`: do you have a content model flag?
  26. # [01:06] <Philip`> Not really in the JS/Perl versions
  27. # [01:07] <Philip`> or at least they do check the content model flag, but it's never set to anything other than PCDATA
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  29. # [01:07] <zcorpan> ok
  30. # [01:07] <Philip`> and the code to check for the end of a CDATA/RCDATA section is missing
  31. # [01:08] <Philip`> That works correctly in the C++ version, though
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  33. # [01:12] <zcorpan> Philip`: very cool anyway :)
  34. # [01:15] <Philip`> I still need to get around to implementing the rest of the parser before it'll actually be useful :-)
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  43. # [02:20] <karl> http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/html-wg/20070723#l-85
  44. # [02:21] <karl> interesting, I thought html 5 believers were the inquisition.
  45. # [02:22] <karl> as being overly pragmatic, any ideas which are pushed the extremes of purity, in this case "belief of being rationale and practical, becomes dangerous.
  46. # [02:23] <karl> s/pushed/pushed to/
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  122. # [16:25] <zcorpan> hmm, the .element green color doesn't fit in the w3c theme
  123. # [16:26] <zcorpan> #EEEEFF and #9999FF looks better
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  126. # [17:21] <krijnh> #eeeeff and #9999ff take less bytes
  127. # [17:22] <krijnh> Ow, more, never mind :)
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  129. # [17:36] <zcorpan> #eef and #99f is less bytes :)
  130. # [17:37] <krijnh> http://annevankesteren.nl/archives/2005/05/xhtml#comment-4112
  131. # [17:38] <anne> http://annevankesteren.nl/2005/05/xhtml#comment-4127
  132. # [17:38] <krijnh> I know :p
  133. # [17:38] <krijnh> That was pretty stupid
  134. # [17:39] <krijnh> Good to see I'm at least consistent on that :)
  135. # [17:39] <anne> on being stupid? :p
  136. # [17:39] <krijnh> ;)
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  140. # [18:06] * anne wonders what more feedback Jens needs...
  141. # [18:06] <anne> it's not backwards compatible, period
  142. # [18:09] <Philip`> It's just that specific syntax that is not backwards compatible, and it should be easy to think of other syntaxes that would work - I think he was more interested in the general concept of supporting multiple IDs, rather than that way of writing them
  143. # [18:10] <anne> maybe
  144. # [18:13] <anne> I'm not really convinced there's a need for multiple IDs
  145. # [18:13] <anne> It also has negative performance impact as I understand it
  146. # [18:17] <zcorpan> PATHID?
  147. # [18:17] <Philip`> Is there ever any new feature at all that doesn't have a negative performance impact?
  148. # [18:18] <zcorpan> <plaintext>? :)
  149. # [18:20] <Philip`> You have to add a whole new bit of loop into your parser to support plaintext, which uses up programmer time and download/disk/cache space which gets multiplied by a hundred million users into quite a lot of waste :-)
  150. # [18:21] <Philip`> (So, er, maybe it's not an entirely significant performance impact, but it's still probably on the negative side)
  151. # [18:21] <zcorpan> can you make up your mind of what you're asking? :)
  152. # [18:22] <anne> Philip`, fair point, the thing is that ID lookup happens really really often, mostly with getElementById and ID selectors
  153. # [18:22] <Philip`> I don't really have any idea what I'm asking or saying :-)
  154. # [18:23] <anne> "Is there ever any new feature at all that doesn't have a negative performance impact?"
  155. # [18:23] <anne> oh
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