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  52. # [13:36] <anne> It's kind of lost on me what point people are trying to make in "Re: conflation of issues or convergence of interests?"
  53. # [13:37] <anne> Seems that everyone is just saying the same thing in a slightly different way
  54. # [13:45] <Sander> aren't they all just emailing with the sole purpose of breaking last month's record of number of emails to the list?
  55. # [13:46] <anne> That goal was attained before this thread
  56. # [13:48] <zcorpan> hmmmmm
  57. # [13:48] <zcorpan> aren't there pretty good voice recognition these days?
  58. # [13:49] <zcorpan> i'm thinking of automatic captioning
  59. # [13:49] <zcorpan> might not be perfect but better than no captions
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  63. # [14:47] <zcorpan> should i point out why common microsyntaxes can't be moved to the html syntax section?
  64. # [14:49] <anne> I suppose it might be helpful
  65. # [14:51] <Philip`> What if "HTML syntax" was renamed to "Syntax" and contained all the syntax things, not just the HTML-serialisation syntax?
  66. # [14:52] <anne> then it would not make sense to be in section 8
  67. # [14:53] <zcorpan> isn't it nicer for implementors who don't care about the text/html version to just skip section 8?
  68. # [14:55] <anne> yeah
  69. # [14:55] <anne> current setup makes sense to me
  70. # [14:56] <Philip`> They could read "8. Syntax -> 8.1. Common microsyntaxes" and skip everything from "8.2. Writing HTML documents", which doesn't seem much less nice; and then authors (who are more numerous than implementors) who are reading section 3 wouldn't get lost in the boring implementation detail
  71. # [14:58] <zcorpan> common microsyntaxes also contains authoring reqs
  72. # [14:59] <anne> you could split those up I suppose
  73. # [14:59] <anne> not sure it's really worth all the effort
  74. # [15:05] <Philip`> http://dev.w3.org/html5/html-design-principles/Overview.html#priority-of-constituencies - additional effort for spec-writers has lower priority than additional clarity for authors :-)
  75. # [15:08] <anne> I'm not really convinced specifications are for authors
  76. # [15:08] <anne> They are way too complex for the average author
  77. # [15:09] <anne> Specifications cover the details only a few people care about, the other people will happily copy & paste
  78. # [15:09] <Sander> They're good for above average authors, which have blogs and tutorials that translate to spec for average authors
  79. # [15:09] <zcorpan> hiding everything that doesn't apply to authors makes it radically easier to read (for the few who care)
  80. # [15:10] <anne> I suppose we could start publishing non-normative author-sanitized versions at some point
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  99. # [20:07] <tH> this isn't directly relevant to canvas on the web, but I did once start adding a whiteboard to chatzilla, didn't get very far though :/
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  111. # [21:09] <RaVeN_> hi all
  112. # [21:10] <RaVeN_> ???
  113. # [21:10] [RaVeN_:#html-wg WAKE]
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  115. # [21:12] <RaVeN_> hi
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  120. # [21:40] <hsivonen> Doh. I again checked the I had read an entire thread before replying but I failed the check other threads that I hadn't read. :-(
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  123. # [23:09] <zcorpan> i'm surprised by the tooltip thread
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  125. # [23:18] <jgraham> I'm surprised by almost everything. Including, but not limited to, the idea that SVG covers the use-case of <canvas>
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  127. # [23:20] <Philip`> Are there any SVG games more advanced than Tetris or Asteroids?
  128. # [23:21] <Philip`> http://www.blobsallad.se/ and http://henrikfalck.com/unrealsoccer/ are quite nice users of <canvas>
  129. # [23:22] <hsivonen> in many cases, (including tooltips, image link borders, focus rings, etc.) browser defaults should sooth control freak authors and users should have to turn stuff on. otherwise the control freak authors try to break those features
  130. # [23:25] <jgraham> My impression (though I am many emails behind again) is that some people aren't considering the "human factors" of various things e.g. if you display alt text as a tooltip in desktop browsers you'll get alt-text that only makes sense in a tooltip context and provides no accessibility
  131. # [23:26] <Philip`> The 'SVG Drawing application' Karl mentioned appears to actually not use SVG at all - it does client-side graphics via lots of coloured <div>s, and uses a remote server for all updates to the bitmap
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