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  1. # Session Start: Mon Jul 30 00:00:00 2007
  2. # Session Ident: #html-wg
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  4. # [00:06] <Philip`> It looks kind of like there's almost as much pseudo-3D canvas stuff as there is 2D
  5. # [00:06] <Philip`> Someone really needs to finish implementing and then design and standardise proper 3D :-)
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  7. # [00:08] <hsivonen> I haven't seen anything new Re: Canvas 3D since XTech 2006
  8. # [00:09] <Philip`> There was a bit of implementation work on the Mozilla one last April
  9. # [00:09] <hsivonen> Philip`: is "last" 2006 or 2007?
  10. # [00:10] <Philip`> and around that time Vlad said he was "getting ready to (finally!) release an 0.1 version", but that appears to have stalled somewhat
  11. # [00:10] <Philip`> hsivonen: 2007
  12. # [00:11] <hsivonen> ok
  13. # [00:11] <Philip`> (I'm not sure why but I've never been very good at avoiding date ambiguity :-( )
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  42. # [09:37] <MikeSmith> Philip` - your work on the tokenizer meta-implementation seems like something worthy of being published online
  43. # [09:37] <MikeSmith> I mean a write-up about it
  44. # [09:38] <karl> MikeSmith: an article on the weblog about it
  45. # [09:38] <MikeSmith> karl - I was thinking more in terms in having somebody pay him money for an article about it
  46. # [09:39] <MikeSmith> I think there is a good chance that XML.com would be interested in publishing it
  47. # [09:39] <MikeSmith> perhaps also IBM DeveloperWorks
  48. # [09:39] <MikeSmith> which pays even better money than XML.com
  49. # [09:39] <karl> money what is that? :p
  50. # [09:40] <MikeSmith> I think the same could be said for hsivonen's conformance-checker work
  51. # [09:40] <MikeSmith> though he has published info about it in his thesis
  52. # [09:40] <MikeSmith> a shorter article that repurposes/summarizes that would also be something interesting for XML.com
  53. # [09:41] <MikeSmith> and then there's the html5lib work also
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  65. # [12:59] <beowulf> i have just reached 1000 unread emails from html-wg
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  77. # [15:29] <Philip`> MikeSmith: That sounds like it could be interesting - there a number of bits and pieces I need to sort out in the near future (and probably the whole tree-construction bit, since I want to see if the same approach is practical there), but then it would be good to write up what I've found
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  79. # [15:32] <MikeSmith> Philip` - you could write up what you have now, get that published, write a follow-up later and get that published
  80. # [15:33] <MikeSmith> XML.com pays OK and is pretty smart about accepting stuff they recognize as being of interest to developers
  81. # [15:33] <MikeSmith> IBM Developerworks pays more but is also more selective in who they'll work with
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  85. # [15:44] <hsivonen> anne: btw, allowing xmlns in text/html actually makes pedant-compliant conversion harder. it makes relabeling unconverted source easier. :-)
  86. # [15:45] <anne> if you serialize it first you're in trouble I guess, yes :)
  87. # [15:46] <hsivonen> I discard the xmlns on root in the tokenizer to avoid confusing the schema layer
  88. # [15:47] <hsivonen> that counts as making things harder in my book :-)
  89. # [15:49] <anne> in the tokenizer even?
  90. # [15:51] <anne> jgraham, a subset of authors might be confortable, there's also a (prolly smaller) subset of authors who think that existing specifications are not clear enough on what is conforming and what is not; how you should use elements, etc.
  91. # [15:51] <hsivonen> anne: yes, in the tokenizer. (actually, not on root. on "html")
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  93. # [15:52] <hsivonen> anne: this way I don't need to make my Attributes impl capable of doing mutations other than add attribute and clear all
  94. # [15:55] <hsivonen> jgraham: I agree that the document you suggest would be useful. However, given the way the world is in general and the latest telecon in particular, I suggest being very careful about the copyright licensing and tracking up front if there's a desire to promote the outcome to a W3C publication
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  124. # [20:45] <jgraham> hsivonen: I totally agree, but I'm not sure what the relevance of the latest telecon is?
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  143. # [22:18] <Philip`> http://comel.net.pl/~glowacki/kacper/index.php - not a great example of interoperability, since it breaks in Opera :-(
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  145. # [22:28] <Philip`> Aha, the problem is that it draws all the hairs with globalCompositeOperation == 'copy', and Opera is the only browser that follows the spec about how that should work, so it breaks in Opera
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