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  24. # [03:58] <karl> http://www.flickr.com/photos/84716639@N00/1102090491
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  35. # [08:05] <karl> Hixie: how stable do you consider video element and audio element in the editor's draft?
  36. # [08:23] <Hixie> not stable at all until we get implementation experience
  37. # [08:30] <karl> ok thanks.
  38. # [08:31] <karl> I wonder if Opera has started to accumulate test cases for it
  39. # [08:31] <karl> I mean public ones
  40. # [08:31] <karl> because I guess they did for the dev on their side
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  42. # [08:38] * karl is reading stuff about video element and codec choice http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/03/msg00566.html
  43. # [08:43] <karl> http://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13708
  44. # [08:43] <karl> WebKit implementation request of video and audio
  45. # [08:46] <Hixie> working with public-html is getting tedious
  46. # [08:46] <Hixie> if even editing the wiki gets complaints of process abuse i'm going to start losing interest in working with the group
  47. # [08:50] <karl> .
  48. # [08:50] * karl wonders if he's looking at the wrong place
  49. # [08:50] <karl> searching for Vorbis on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/query.cgi
  50. # [08:50] <karl> doesn't get any results
  51. # [08:51] <karl> oooh was looking on firefox
  52. # [08:51] <karl> wrong
  53. # [08:51] <karl> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=382267
  54. # [08:51] <karl> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=336164
  55. # [08:52] <karl> Implement Audio spec and Implement video spec
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  68. # [11:11] <hsivonen> is eRDF different from RDFa?
  69. # [11:11] <hsivonen> or is RDFa a concrete case of eRDF?
  70. # [11:11] <sbuluf> afaik, yes, though i don't remeber the details
  71. # [11:14] <hsivonen> hmm. after a bit of googling, eRDF looks a lot like microformats plus a bunch of namespace mapping <link>s
  72. # [11:14] <hsivonen> gotta wonder if those <link>s are there for theoretical purity or because the microformat way actually didn't work...
  73. # [11:16] <sbuluf> http://bnode.org/blog/2007/02/12/comparison-of-microformats-erdf-and-rdfa
  74. # [11:16] <sbuluf> that might help
  75. # [11:17] <hsivonen> sbuluf: thanks
  76. # [11:17] <sbuluf> yw
  77. # [11:18] <sbuluf> danc can probably summarize the main differences in just a couple of lines
  78. # [11:20] <sbuluf> http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2006-May/004242.html <--author of erdf explaining some differences
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  80. # [11:23] <hsivonen> the calculator says my requirements are met by Microformats (42 points out of 48; eRDF 32 points, RDFa 17 points)
  81. # [11:25] <hsivonen> the calculator missed two things I care about and that I consider problems with microformats, though: conformance requirements for content and processing model for consumers
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  83. # [11:35] <sbuluf> Open Data in HTML GRDDL, eRDF and RDFa : http://www.mefeedia.com/entry/2667033/
  84. # [11:36] <sbuluf> May 19, 2007
  85. # [11:36] <sbuluf> Elias Torres (IBM), Lee Feigenbaum (IBM) We will present technical approaches addressing the explosion of online information hidden in HTML pages today. This example-filled presentation will focus on the latest examples and implementations.
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  107. # [18:41] * Philip` didn't notice that public-html-comments was created at the same time as public-html-wg-announce
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  109. # [18:58] <Lachy> what is public-html-comments for?
  110. # [18:58] <Lachy> I thought public-html was for comments about the spec
  111. # [18:59] <Lachy> it says "Comments on the HTML 5 specification(s) and responses from the editors and the HTML WG" - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-comments/2007Aug/0000.html
  112. # [18:59] <Philip`> I'd assume it's for people who aren't members of the WG
  113. # [19:00] <Lachy> I thought that's what www-html was for?
  114. # [19:00] <Lachy> DanC: yt?
  115. # [19:01] <Lachy> DanC: care to enlighten us about the purpose of the new list?
  116. # [19:01] * DanC finds the message where I talked about it...
  117. # [19:01] <Philip`> I assume www-html isn't focussed on HTML5 and you can't complain about people posting pointless proposals or off-topic comments there, but public-html-comments is
  118. # [19:02] <Philip`> Not that my assumptions are worth anything, so they're probably best ignored :-)
  119. # [19:02] <Lachy> yeah, I suppose. www-html and www-html-editor still get used for XHTML2 stuff too
  120. # [19:02] <DanC> I think http://www.w3.org/2002/02/mid/1182777060.6367.735.camel@pav;list=public-html is it...
  121. # [19:03] <DanC> yes...
  122. # [19:03] <DanC> "To direct public comments to the WG mailing list is to suggest
  123. # [19:03] <DanC> (though not require) that people should join the WG to comment on the
  124. # [19:03] <DanC> draft. I'd rather not do that. I'd like to offer a separate
  125. # [19:03] <DanC> comments mailing list."
  126. # [19:03] <DanC> lacking a volunteer, I started on it myself, while I was setting up the announcement mailing list
  127. # [19:04] <Lachy> ok, so it's for people outside to post to
  128. # [19:04] <DanC> yes
  129. # [19:04] * DanC is now 4 minutes late on this week's agenda. phpht.
  130. # [19:05] <Lachy> it would also be good if people posted links to articles they read about HTML5 on blogs and elsewhere
  131. # [19:05] * DanC could use another hour or so to make a worthwhile agenda...
  132. # [19:05] <DanC> yes, it's useful for people to note related blog items in mail to the comments list. I do that whenever I can manage.
  133. # [19:06] <DanC> I'm still not completely resolved on the question of an announcement mailing list vs RSS/Atom/planet-html5
  134. # [19:06] <Lachy> well, the announcement list has been set up already, so isn't it a bit late to be questioning it?
  135. # [19:07] <Philip`> My usual strategy is to set my computer's clock backwards before sending a late email, and then I can pretend it got delayed somewhere in the pipeline and it wasn't my fault
  136. # [19:07] <DanC> creating a mailing list is a small part of changing the way 400 people behave
  137. # [19:08] * Lachy subscribes to public-html-comments
  138. # [19:08] <DanC> using it for a month or so will probably set a pattern
  139. # [19:16] <gsnedders> DanC: what was this about publishing all three docs in mid-August? status? (<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Jul/0628.html>)
  140. # [19:17] <Lachy> DanC: what time is the teleconference?
  141. # [19:17] <Lachy> is it tonight?
  142. # [19:17] <gsnedders> Lachy: tomorrow.
  143. # [19:17] <Lachy> right
  144. # [19:17] <DanC> 2007-08-16T17:00:00Z
  145. # [19:17] <gsnedders> (but agenda has to be out 24 hours in advance)
  146. # [19:17] <Lachy> I should be able dial in
  147. # [19:18] * DanC sent an "agenda in progress" message to make good on the 24hr expectation
  148. # [19:18] <Lachy> though, why does it have to be at 03:00 again?
  149. # [19:18] <Lachy> (my time)
  150. # [19:18] <DanC> because Chris Wilson hasn't chosen a Seattle/OZ/Asia time
  151. # [19:19] <gsnedders> DanC: where are you again?
  152. # [19:19] <Lachy> I thought we discussed that at the end of the very first telcon, it's quite annoying
  153. # [19:19] <DanC> indeed, Lachy, ChrisW's action has been pending since 26 Apr. http://www.w3.org/2007/04/26-html-wg-minutes
  154. # [19:19] <Lachy> though it will only affect me till October, cause then I move to Norway
  155. # [19:20] <gsnedders> Lachy: why?
  156. # [19:20] <Lachy> I start working at Opera
  157. # [19:20] <gsnedders> that's what I was guessing
  158. # [19:20] * DanC is tempted to give gsnedders one of those "I will use google before asking..." Bart Simpson cartoon links.
  159. # [19:21] <DanC> http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/#contact
  160. # [19:21] <Lachy> how could gsnedders have googled that?
  161. # [19:21] <Lachy> oh, you meant the where are you question
  162. # [19:21] <gsnedders> Lachy: the latter question I could've. I was being perhaps over-reliant on DanC being kind :)
  163. # [19:22] <Lachy> yeah, don't be too optomisting about DanC's kindness :-)
  164. # [19:22] <Lachy> *optomistic
  165. # [19:22] <DanC> " what was this about publishing all three docs in mid-August?" is a life-the-universe-and-everything-complete question. I owe an answer in this week's agenda; I'm working on it.
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  167. # [19:23] <DanC> I'm getting conflict info on mjs's availability to do design principles work
  168. # [19:23] <hsivonen> DanC: btw, regarding review schedule, I consider my detailed review of the parsing algorithm done
  169. # [19:23] <Lachy> last I heard, it was #3 on his todo list
  170. # [19:24] <DanC> on 2 Aug, mjs said he'd send something about design principles by 9 Aug.
  171. # [19:24] <Philip`> DanC: On the il16 page, looks like "Asbjørn Ulsberg" broke again
  172. # [19:25] <DanC> but I haven't seen anything, and I've been mailing him about it since July 11
  173. # [19:26] * DanC curses the utf-8 gremlins, emacs, and computers in general
  174. # [19:27] <DanC> when was last you heard, Lachy? and what do you know about #1 and #2? they're not "solve world hunger" or the like, are they?
  175. # [19:27] <Philip`> Use &oslash; ? :-)
  176. # [19:27] <Lachy> he told me 2 or 3 days ago, it's probably in the logs of #html-wg or #whatwg somewhere
  177. # [19:27] <Lachy> I don't know what #1 and #2 are
  178. # [19:27] <DanC> &oslash; relies on DTDs. I swore them off.
  179. # [19:28] * hober taught nxml-mode to auto-convert named entity references to numeric ones, upon hitting ;
  180. # [19:28] <Philip`> http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20070814#l-91
  181. # [19:29] <DanC> sounds nifty, hober. I'd appreciate details
  182. # [19:29] <DanC> ah... well played, Philip`
  183. # [19:29] <Lachy> for those of you who speak french, we got a new article translated http://blog.whatwg.org/html-contre-xhtml
  184. # [19:29] <Lachy> just published
  185. # [19:29] <Philip`> Hmm, that conversation was cut off by krijnh disconnecting...
  186. # [19:30] <hober> in this case, &#248; is your friend
  187. # [19:30] <hober> DanC: I'll extract the relevant bits from .emacs...
  188. # [19:30] <Philip`> Oh, doesn't look there was much conversation
  189. # [19:30] <Philip`> 06:46 < Lachy> I wonder why there are threads listed in the related emails section that appear to have nothing to do with the design principles http://esw.w3.org/to
  190. # [19:30] <Philip`> pic/HTML/ProposedDesignPrinciples
  191. # [19:31] <DanC> &#248; works, though it causes emacs to spew poetry about missing fonts
  192. # [19:31] <Philip`> 06:48 < othermaciej> Lachy: I need to re-edit that
  193. # [19:31] <Philip`> 06:48 -!- krijnh [n=krijnhoe@ktk.xs4all.nl] has joined #whatwg
  194. # [19:31] <Philip`> 06:48 < othermaciej> which is up to #3 on my todo queue
  195. # [19:31] <Lachy> I think I just listed a few examples of threads that shouldn't be there after taht
  196. # [19:31] <hober> hmm, really? It Works For Me...
  197. # [19:32] <DanC> this is ubuntu emacs. what platform are you using, hober?
  198. # [19:33] <hober> this machine is os x, but this has also worked for me under freebsd
  199. # [19:33] <Philip`> Lachy: Whoops, I cut that line out since I wasn't reading carefully it didn't look obviously relevant
  200. # [19:33] <Philip`> 06:46 < Lachy> I wonder why there are threads listed in the related emails section that appear to have nothing to do with the design principles http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ProposedDesignPrinciples
  201. # [19:33] <Philip`> 06:47 < Lachy> like the conflation of issues thread or the likert scale thread!?
  202. # [19:33] <Philip`> 06:48 < othermaciej> Lachy: I need to re-edit that
  203. # [19:33] * DanC fixed Ulsberg encoding in 1.39
  204. # [19:34] <DanC> so... on design principles... do I press on with the survey despite lack of sync with mjs, or do I punt?
  205. # [19:35] <Lachy> what would the survey be for?
  206. # [19:35] * DanC wonders what happened at the IETF in Chicago July 22-27
  207. # [19:36] <Lachy> is it necessary to have a survey just to get a FPWD published?
  208. # [19:36] <DanC> Lachy, I wonder if you read the minutes of the design principles discussion 2 Aug http://www.w3.org/2007/08/02-html-wg-minutes.html#item05
  209. # [19:36] <Lachy> no, I hadn't
  210. # [19:37] <DanC> please do
  211. # [19:37] <DanC> the survey I'm considering is http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/dprv/ ...
  212. # [19:37] <DanC> ... which is an information gathering survey, to see how much of the WG agrees with which principles
  213. # [19:38] <DanC> that sort of information gathering survey isn't necessary to publish...
  214. # [19:39] <gsnedders> DanC: I think it's obvious enough from the mailing list what people's thoughts are
  215. # [19:39] <DanC> ... but in order to publish, we need a WG decision to do so, and by charter, making decisions takes a week. it can be done with plain email rather than WBS, but WBS is easier.
  216. # [19:39] <Lachy> the April 30 draft seems quite old at this stage
  217. # [19:39] <DanC> oh. it's not obvious to me, gsnedders. If you could summarize, I'd appreciate it.
  218. # [19:39] <Lachy> I'd just go with the latest, especially since I just added the revisions to the cowpaths and reinventing the wheel principles, which seemed to get good support
  219. # [19:40] <DanC> yes, the 30 Apr ref has been overtaken by events
  220. # [19:40] * DanC wonders if he could somehow let Lachy edit the survey directly
  221. # [19:42] <Lachy> I'm not sure if the new Baby Steps principle would get though at this stage, maybe leave it out of the FPWD
  222. # [19:42] <Lachy> though I defininately think it should be included later
  223. # [19:49] <DanC> gsnedders, do you think you could summarize the level of support and dissent for each principle?
  224. # [19:49] <DanC> or for some of them?
  225. # [19:50] <gsnedders> DanC: did I forget to say "give me 10/20 mins"? obviously.
  226. # [19:51] <DanC> ah. glad to know you're working on it. thanks.
  227. # [19:52] <Lachy> ah, why do people want to change the Universal Access principle into one specifically about accessibility? http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ProposedDesignPrinciples#head-10411c5e5705d5a8d05ed64a5312dc5292082faa
  228. # [19:52] <Lachy> that completely ignores non-accessibility related issues, like technology issues, etc.
  229. # [19:53] <Lachy> don't people understand that accessibility is a subset of universality?
  230. # [19:54] <Lachy> (BTW, we *really* need MediaWiki - the current one is so difficult to use
  231. # [19:54] <DanC> I look forward to MediaWiki too; I don't have an ETA yet. Which aspect of the ESW wiki bugs you just now?
  232. # [19:55] <DanC> according to our charter, WG participants aren't obliged to use the wiki at all; email is supposed to be enough. But I'm getting advice to use the wiki more, and I'm inclined to go with it.
  233. # [19:56] <Lachy> mostly the fact that it's so hard to link directly to individaul headings, due to lack of ToC
  234. # [19:56] <Lachy> and there's no edit link besde the heading of each section, which is so convenient in mediawiki
  235. # [19:56] <DanC> I think MoinMoin has ToC support. I don't particularly care to learn how it works, though.
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  237. # [19:57] <Lachy> and MediaWiki allows for the use of non-CamelCase linking and URLs
  238. # [19:57] <DanC> Moin supports both of those.
  239. # [19:58] <Lachy> well, why don't people use them. Is it the same syntax as media wiki?
  240. # [19:58] <Lachy> ah, I see, there's a summary at the bottom of the edit pate
  241. # [19:58] <Lachy> page
  242. # [19:59] <Lachy> and MediaWiki has talk pages, so all the discussions about disputed principles should move there, where people can sign their comments and have them threaded
  243. # [20:02] <DanC> crud... I think I messed up the regular meeting time decision.
  244. # [20:03] <DanC> well, "discussions about disputed principles should move there" conflicts with our current charter, which only obliges WG members to participate by email
  245. # [20:03] <Lachy> aargh! people are trying to change the cowpaths principle to push their own agenda. This has now been proposed "Research existing practices. When a practice is already widespread among authors, consider it. Use cases (cowpaths) are one factor to inform design decisions but not nescesarily "pave" the way to them. No set number of use cases proves a feature should be included or excluded from...
  246. # [20:03] <Lachy> ...the spec."
  247. # [20:03] <DanC> push their own agenda? which agenda? it seems to me that they're not convinced by the way it was phrased before, so they're trying something they do agree with.
  248. # [20:04] <Lachy> The "No set number of use cases proves a feature should be included or excluded from the spec." bit. If there are 0 use cases, the feature should be dropped.
  249. # [20:05] <Lachy> if there's one really obscure use case that virtually no-one uses, then it should not be included
  250. # [20:05] <DanC> that makes sense, but I still don't see evidence of some agenda.
  251. # [20:06] <Lachy> It sounds like they want to modify it in such a way that the lack of use cases for <input usemap> can't be used as a way to drop it
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  253. # [20:08] <DanC> that hypothesis is consistent with what I see, but it's not directly supported. please take care with "push their own agenda"; it looks like you're jumping to conclusions.
  254. # [20:08] <Lachy> possibly. How do I check the history of edits in this wiki?
  255. # [20:08] <gsnedders> DanC: sorry, it'll be later than that now
  256. # [20:09] <Lachy> found it
  257. # [20:09] <gsnedders> DanC: sometime tonight, though
  258. # [20:10] <DanC> ok, I'll stay tuned, gsnedders
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  265. # [21:01] <zcorpan_> DanC: no, rather http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#determining0 (re public-webapi)
  266. # [21:02] <DanC> pls pass that on to the XHR folks
  267. # [21:05] <zcorpan_> DanC: i think the editor knows already, and i guess he will respond to your message anyway, so... :)
  268. # [21:11] <Lachy> I added my detailed objection to that proposed cowpaths revision, I hope it's clear enough - http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ProposedDesignPrinciples#head-db0511ace65b8f4c1731f806457c9ad771d5c4af
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  271. # [21:47] <Philip`> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html.bak/ - is that meant to exist?
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  273. # [22:00] <Lachy> how did you find that?
  274. # [22:00] <Philip`> Psychic powers, and/or the list at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/
  275. # [22:01] <Lachy> I'm going have to bet on psychic powers
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