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  174. # [23:01] * DanC returns from a trip, tunes in...
  175. # [23:01] <DanC> hmm... what have we got in the way of a design principles candidate?
  176. # [23:02] <DanC> well, http://dev.w3.org/html5/html-design-principles/Overview.html is still at Revision: 1.4 $ of $Date: 2007-08-16 15:39:50
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  178. # [23:05] <gsnedders> DanC: are you still planning on pushing out all three docs, or just the design principles?
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  180. # [23:07] <DanC> good question
  181. # [23:07] <DanC> trying to do business during August was not one of my better ideas.
  182. # [23:08] <Dashiva> It has been rather quiet lately
  183. # [23:08] <DanC> I don't have a good sense for the level of support for publishing the HTML 5 spec. It would be nice to do an informal poll before putting the question formally.
  184. # [23:10] <Dashiva> There is one thing I have wondered. We're going to spend 5-10 years on this spec, and I suspect every part of the spec will be changed at least once. There can't be much harm in publishing the current version considering how temporary it is
  185. # [23:11] <Dashiva> We're only publishing to satisfy heartbeat, aren't we?
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  187. # [23:17] <mjs> hi everyone
  188. # [23:17] <gsnedders> Dashiva: pretty much, yeah.
  189. # [23:18] <gsnedders> I'd've published a FPWD as soon as we adopted the spec, on grounds that everything in it was up for review anyway (and will be for many years)
  190. # [23:19] <Philip`> I assume it's not valid to object to publishing just because the current draft has some particular technical points that one disagrees with (e.g. it doesn't say alt is required, or whatever), since then nothing could be published until the whole thing was a completed recommendation and all issues had been addressed
  191. # [23:19] <Philip`> but I have no idea what would be a valid objection to publishing
  192. # [23:21] <gsnedders> Philip`: consensus isn't a requirement to publish a FPWD. approval from the director is.
  193. # [23:21] <gsnedders> Philip`: any member could register a formal objection, though, on technical grounds.
  194. # [23:22] <gsnedders> Philip`: it'd be stupid to do so for the above reasons, though
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  197. # [23:23] <Dashiva> gsnedders: Well, we did get two invalid formal objections on the very first survey, so I wouldn't be surprised if we got more now
  198. # [23:24] <gsnedders> Dashiva: oh, I never said we wouldn't get any :)
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  201. # [23:28] <Dashiva> touche
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  204. # [23:29] * gsnedders formally objects to Dashiva not having an acute accent on the e
  205. # [23:30] <Dashiva> That wouldn't fall back gracefully in UAs using legacy encoding
  206. # [23:30] * Dashiva formally objects to gsnedders being an evil enemy of accessibility and bunnies
  207. # [23:31] <gsnedders> Yes, but it caused a syntax error in my brain not having the accent!
  208. # [23:31] <gsnedders> It caused my brain to abort processing that comment.
  209. # [23:32] <Dashiva> Maybe your brain needs to use a non-draconian parser :p
  210. # [23:32] <gsnedders> Maybe I did too much Classical Studies finding out about Draco :P
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  214. # [23:39] <karl> http://www.oluyede.org/blog/2007/08/25/sgml-python-parsers-benchmark/
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  216. # [23:40] <karl> SGML Python parsers benchmark
  217. # [23:41] <karl> the author made an update for html5lib
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  219. # [23:47] <Philip`> I guess the others are all (partially) written in C?
  220. # [23:48] * jgraham still has ideas for making the pure python faster
  221. # [23:48] <jgraham> Our bottleneck is basically reading characters from the input
  222. # [23:49] * Philip` had the same bottleneck in his C++ implementation
  223. # [23:49] <Philip`> (but I think that was fixed by buffering enough)
  224. # [23:51] <jgraham> I wonder if he used the release version or the version in svn, which should be faster...
  225. # [23:51] <jgraham> (because, amongst other things, it buffers more)
  226. # [23:56] <Philip`> Could you add a note on the html5lib front page saying that 0.9 is hopelessly outdated and everyone should use SVN instead (at least until 1.0 is released)? :-)
  227. # [23:57] * jgraham has been planning to release 0.10 for some time now
  228. # [23:57] <jgraham> Still I'm less behind schedule than the html-wg /rimshot
  229. # [23:57] * DanC scrolls back a bit...
  230. # [23:58] <DanC> we're scheduled to spend 3 years on this spec, not 5-10. (I'll keep repeating it until it becomes true. 1/2 ;-)
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