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  12. # [00:54] <karl> [06:26] <ChrisWilson> I once did Illinois->Seattle->Dublin->Cork->Dublin->WashingtonDC->Seattle->St.Louis->Illinois.
  13. # [00:55] <karl> hehe reminds me of my first trip for W3C 7 years ago.
  14. # [00:57] <karl> Nice -> Paris -> Morroco (conf 2 days) -> Paris -> Singapore (stop over 1 day) -> Melbourne (conf 2 days) -> Paris (stop over 1 day) -> Boston (conf 1 week) -> Montreal (rest 5 days) -> Boston -> Paris (conf 2 days) -> Nice [back home]
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  116. # [09:42] <karl> http://blog.svg-map.com/2007/09/svg_map_toolkit.html
  117. # [09:42] <karl> The SVG MAP consortium begins to distribute the beta version of "SVG　MapToolkit" on September 06, 2007. SVG Map　Toolkit is a high-performance SVG viewer for Internet Explorer. Moreover, it has the function for the　Web map services, and aims at standard Web map browser.
  118. # [09:42] <karl> interesting!
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  120. # [09:42] <karl> maybe it will help SVG
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  171. # [17:20] <hsivonen> does the November f2f already have an agenda / elevator pitch for justifying the travel cost?
  172. # [17:29] <ChrisWilson> See Dan's mail to the WG yesterday. We are working out the agenda; much of the meeting, at the request of Hixie and others, will be an unconference-style agenda.
  173. # [17:33] <hsivonen> ChrisWilson: ok. thanks
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  201. # [22:17] <anne> robburns, actually, <datalist> degrades gracefully, <select other> would not
  202. # [22:18] <anne> more specifically, <datalist> in conjunction with <input> degrades gracefully (Web Forms 2.0 has an example to that effect)
  203. # [22:18] <anne> (at some point in the past <select editable> was indeed there, but it was taken out because a better approach was found)
  204. # [22:19] <robburns> anne: why would <select other> not degrade gracefully. That's not clear to me.
  205. # [22:19] <anne> because <select> doesn't allow user input
  206. # [22:19] <anne> <input> does
  207. # [22:20] <anne> using <input> has the added benefit that you also get comboxes for all the new datatypes
  208. # [22:20] <anne> but that's besides the point
  209. # [22:20] <robburns> but you said that datlist had to be accompanied by an input element anyway. if the select was accompanied by and input element wouldn't that also degrade gracefully in the same way (or better)?
  210. # [22:21] <anne> maybe you should check the example first
  211. # [22:22] <robburns> which example?
  212. # [22:22] <anne> I gave a pointer earlier
  213. # [22:25] <robburns> anne: I didn't learn anything about my question from looking at that example. I still don't see how datalist with input degrades more gracefully than select with input.
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  215. # [22:26] <anne> you studied the legacy UAs example?
  216. # [22:27] <robburns> anne: yes
  217. # [22:27] <hsivonen> is there a wiki page or something about the November f2f?
  218. # [22:27] <hsivonen> anne: are you going?
  219. # [22:27] <anne> think so, yes
  220. # [22:28] <anne> there's a page that tells who's going
  221. # [22:28] <anne> based on the survey
  222. # [22:28] <hsivonen> the survey?
  223. # [22:28] <anne> seems to be member only: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2007/registrants#html
  224. # [22:28] <anne> the TP survey
  225. # [22:28] <hsivonen> I feel so clueless having been away
  226. # [22:29] <anne> I learned this from IRC logs and conversations
  227. # [22:30] <hsivonen> "Only people identified as participants of the Technical Plenary Attendees can answer this form."
  228. # [22:30] <hsivonen> the form seems open to me
  229. # [22:31] <anne> robburns, I'm afraid I can't help you then unless you explain how you think it can be solved with <select>
  230. # [22:31] <anne> oh, maybe it's world-readable but you have to fill in credentials because it's a survey?
  231. # [22:31] * anne shrugs
  232. # [22:33] <hsivonen> anne: I wouldn't know as I have Member access
  233. # [22:33] <hsivonen> anne: but I can't figure out if I should fill out the form now.
  234. # [22:33] <hsivonen> anne: and if I'm able to, why am I able to
  235. # [22:34] <anne> you're able to fill out the form because you're a W3C Member through MoFo
  236. # [22:34] <anne> afaict
  237. # [22:34] <anne> much the same reason I could fill it out (except I've got a differention affiliation)
  238. # [22:35] <hsivonen> anne: so the form doesn't know about some pre-set attendee status?
  239. # [22:36] * anne isn't sure he understands the questions; guesses no
  240. # [22:36] <anne> question, even
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  245. # [22:40] <robburns> anne: yeah I didn't expect you could
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  248. # [22:42] * anne shrugs
  249. # [22:42] <hsivonen> so according to DanC, the HTML WG will meet on Thu, Fri and Sat
  250. # [22:43] <hsivonen> is everyone expected to attend proceedings on Wed?
  251. # [22:43] <DanC> no, but you're invited
  252. # [22:43] * Joins: aroben (adamroben@17.203.15.195)
  253. # [22:44] <hsivonen> DanC: ok, so working assumption would be staying being at the plenary Wed thru Sat
  254. # [22:44] <DanC> yes, I recommend that
  255. # [22:49] <hsivonen> DanC: is start time on Wed and end time on Sat known?
  256. # [22:50] <DanC> end time on Sat is ~ lunch.
  257. # [22:50] * DanC checks schedule for Wed start time...
  258. # [22:50] <hsivonen> ok. so I can fly back on Sat
  259. # [22:50] <DanC> ... http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2007JulSep/0005.html ...
  260. # [22:50] <DanC> ... http://www.w3.org/2007/11/TPAC/overview.html
  261. # [22:51] <DanC> "The Technical Plenary Day will be held all day Wednesday 7 November."
  262. # [22:51] <DanC> hmm... is that enough? i.e. does the difference between 8am and 9am matter?
  263. # [22:51] <hsivonen> probably not
  264. # [22:51] <hsivonen> so the flight would have to be on Tuesday
  265. # [22:52] <DanC> well, you're welcome to come at lunch on Weds. there will be hundreds of people in the room, coming and going.
  266. # [22:52] <DanC> there's probably a draft of the program for Weds around, but I don't see it handy
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  268. # [23:12] <DanC> oops... I thought the technical plenary was all day, but maybe it's just in the afternoon. I'm a little confused by http://www.w3.org/2007/11/TPAC/overview.html#Schedule
  269. # [23:15] <DanC> no, it's all day.
  270. # [23:17] <hsivonen> ok. I'm searching for price quotes assuming a Tuesday flight
  271. # [23:22] * Quits: Sander (svl@86.87.68.167) (Quit: And back he spurred like a madman, shrieking a curse to the sky.)
  272. # [23:22] <hsivonen> am I missing something or doesn't the tech plenary have an attendance fee?
  273. # [23:23] <hsivonen> what about the pricing of the meals?
  274. # [23:23] * Quits: mjs (mjs@64.81.48.145) (Ping timeout)
  275. # [23:34] <DanC> I'm pretty sure there are no fees. You can thank the sponsors.
  276. # [23:35] <hsivonen> ok. thanks
  277. # [23:35] <DanC> I collected details on http://www.w3.org/html/wg/nov07 and announced it to public-html-wg-announce
  278. # [23:39] * DanC changes topic to 'HTML WG http://www.w3.org/html/wg/ also logged: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
  279. # [23:40] <DanC> Discount hotel rate expires 3 October 2007.
  280. # [23:43] * Quits: aroben (adamroben@17.203.15.195) (Quit: aroben)
  281. # [23:46] <hsivonen> DanC: I notice that the email does not state expectations for the meeting. Should I expect the main value to be communication without email constraints and getting to know people in person?
  282. # [23:46] <DanC> good point; meeting goals aren't explicit
  283. # [23:47] <DanC> certainly the usual value of in-person contact is a big part of it.
  284. # [23:48] <DanC> my goals include: undivided attention on the versioning stuff; organizing work on test materials; maybe catalyzing work on tutorials; priorities, scope, schedule (what's in, what's out)
  285. # [23:49] <hsivonen> thanks
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  287. # Session Close: Fri Sep 07 00:00:00 2007

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