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  1. # Session Start: Sun Sep 16 00:00:00 2007
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  43. # [17:19] <anne> ah, I'm on dreamhost now...
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  51. # [18:50] <anne> made new stuff finally work thanks to Lachy
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  67. # [22:10] <anne> hsivonen, Philip, nested <canvas> would only make sense if the fallback story of <canvas> was indeed dependent upon some features, but it isn't
  68. # [22:11] <anne> (well, we currently show fallback when ECMAScript or images are disabled iirc)
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  71. # [22:41] <Philip> anne: Since you can access the fallback content with scripts, it can still make sense to put more canvases inside the first canvas's fallback content since they might still be used somehow
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  74. # [23:03] <anne> Philip, yeah, I suppose
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  79. # [23:50] <emeriste> Are there any new thoughts on making math easier to typeset with ordinary html?
  80. # [23:50] <anne> dunno
  81. # [23:51] <anne> I don't think all the data has changed much since last time
  82. # [23:51] <emeriste> Anne -- Naively this is the way I think such things work: There is some standard for what the syntax should look like so that website makers and browser makers are on the same page . . .
  83. # [23:52] <emeriste> anne -- Then, <tags> of various kinds are used to mark up pages so that browsers (or other things) can look at them and render it.
  84. # [23:53] <emeriste> anne -- So what I think it should be, is that there should be <math> tags. And between those <math> tags you use some kind of syntax to describe the mathematical expressions to the browser. And then the browser simply draws what you have described.
  85. # [23:53] <emeriste> Why does this have to be so hard?
  86. # [23:54] <anne> because it needs to be integrated with MathML in a way that doesn't upset people and works well; and also because the same problem needs to be solved for SVG; and also because some people feel it should be solved for an x amount of potential languages
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  88. # [23:55] <anne> the solution should also be reasonably backwards compatible, easy to author, etc.
  89. # [23:55] <emeriste> MathML would be the most likely way of 'describing' what you have in mind to the browser. In other words, it's a logical syntax to put between the <math> tags (although in an ideal world, LaTeX would be even better, but I'm not picky).
  90. # [23:55] <anne> on top of that there's not much interest in the subject apart from a few individuals
  91. # [23:57] <anne> anyway, I should go to bed
  92. # [23:57] <emeriste> anne -- (1) The Internet is the world's greatest vector for transmitting ideas. (2) No ideas are as powerful or affect life on earth as profoundly as scientific and mathematical ones. (3) It is a sin that html cannot facilitate the communication of mathematical ideas. (4) Anyone who solves this problem will be the Gutenburg of the new millenium.
  93. # [23:58] <Philip> People publishing scientific and mathematical ideas are happy using LaTeX and PDF
  94. # [23:58] <beowulf> religion might haev something to say about (2)
  95. # [23:58] <beowulf> and (3), probably
  96. # [23:59] <emeriste> Philip - Yeah like people used to be happy with papyrus.
  97. # [23:59] <anne> emeriste, I don't disagree with you that this problem needs solving, I'm just outlining the problem; expecting progress in days is way too optimistic; I'd check back in a year or so or lobby with browser vendors or something
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