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  68. # [12:42] <anne> hsivonen, re #whatwg, prolly because Opera Mini itself doesn't actually do the requests
  69. # [12:44] <hsivonen> anne: the header is X-OperaMini-Phone-UA
  70. # [12:44] <hsivonen> anne: the User-Agent header has a value that announces itself as Opera first and Opera Mini second
  71. # [12:46] <hsivonen> so it looks like it is something Opera's back end chooses to forward to the server of origin--not something accidental
  72. # [12:47] <anne> well, yes (although I'm not sure why), I'm just saying that for Opera Mini Servers bandwidth is likely less of a concern than for desktop browsers
  73. # [12:47] <hsivonen> good point
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  105. # [17:32] <Icidis> hello all
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  107. # [17:32] <zcorpan_> hello Icidis
  108. # [17:32] <Icidis> hey zcorpan_
  109. # [17:32] <Icidis> is this a support channel for html
  110. # [17:32] <zcorpan_> no
  111. # [17:32] <Icidis> aahhhh
  112. # [17:33] <Icidis> zcorpan_, do u know html?
  113. # [17:33] <zcorpan_> yes
  114. # [17:33] <Icidis> could you please help me
  115. # [17:33] <zcorpan_> depends :)
  116. # [17:34] <Icidis> ok
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  153. # [22:47] <anne> Philip, you got APNG tests?
  154. # [23:10] <anne> Hixie, s/The <code>datatemplate</code> bring/The <code>datatemplate</code> brings/ ?
  155. # [23:10] <anne> oh, oops
  156. # [23:10] <anne> should be "element bring[s]"
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  158. # [23:13] <Hixie> i can't find the occurance of that
  159. # [23:14] <Hixie> context?
  160. # [23:14] <Hixie> oh i see
  161. # [23:14] <Philip> anne: Not really - only a small attempt at starting some (http://philip.html5.org/tests/apng/)
  162. # [23:14] <Hixie> thanks will fix
  163. # [23:14] <anne> Philip, cool
  164. # [23:14] * anne opens some internal Opera build
  165. # [23:16] <Philip> Hixie: On the subject of spec typos, it needs s/regstrationmark/registrationmark/ in several places
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  167. # [23:19] <jgraham> "If tomplate node is a comment node" s/tomplate/template/
  168. # [23:20] <anne> hmm, the &{this.firstChild.nodeValue}; syntax in Philip's examples looks interesting
  169. # [23:21] <Hixie> Philip, jgraham: thanks, both fixed
  170. # [23:23] <Philip> I don't know how you'd handle {s and }s inside that code
  171. # [23:23] <Philip> like &{ {'a':1,'b':2}[value] } or &{ "int main() {" }
  172. # [23:25] <Philip> (I just had {script} before remembering &{script}; and realising it'd be less likely to cause confusion)
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  174. # [23:26] <Philip> (where the {script} comes from copying E4X's attribute expression syntax)
  175. # [23:26] <anne> XSLT has something like that as well, for XPath expressions
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  178. # [23:36] <Philip> http://www.w3.org/TR/xslt#attribute-value-templates
  179. # [23:37] <anne> yup :)
  180. # [23:38] <Philip> Looks like it has to use an XPath parser to determine where the closing } is
  181. # [23:39] <Philip> I don't think you'd want to do that for JavaScript, since it's a bit more complex to parse
  182. # [23:39] <anne> hmm, you probably want to require escaping then...
  183. # [23:40] <anne> would \{ \} work?
  184. # [23:43] <Philip> If it parsed '{script}' by skipping over nested '{', '}' pairs in the script, ignoring '\{' and '\}' sequences (except when they're '\\{' etc), I think that'd be flexible enough for JavaScript and similar languages
  185. # [23:43] <Philip> since those languages only have nested {} pairs, except in strings, and in strings you can write \{ instead and it'll work exactly the same
  186. # [23:44] <anne> hmm, so both pair counting and escapes... I suppose that would work
  187. # [23:44] <Philip> (Oh, there's comments as well as strings, since people might write "/* This doesn't work :-{ */" or something, but that shouldn't be very common)
  188. # [23:46] <Philip> Syntax highlighting text editors would hate this, I guess
  189. # [23:52] <anne> are they hiliting onload= and such now?
  190. # [23:58] <Philip> Vim does, but its HTML highlighter can just read from the opening " up to the next " and then pass that string to the JS highlighter, whereas the script macro thing would have to search through properly-nested unescaped characters before it can see where the JS string ends
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  192. # [23:59] <Philip> Then again, I guess most people parse Perl already, which has complex quoting rules, so maybe they're perfectly happy with this kind of thing
  193. # [23:59] <Philip> s/people/editors/
  194. # [23:59] <Philip> s/parse/sort of parse to the extent necessary for mostly-accurate highlighting/
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