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  1. # Session Start: Tue Oct 16 00:00:00 2007
  2. # Session Ident: #html-wg
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  4. # [00:14] <anne> Hixie, what happened to http://www.hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/html/parsing/encoding/ ?
  5. # [00:14] <Hixie> good question
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  7. # [00:15] <Hixie> fixed
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  9. # [00:47] <anne> Hixie, I'm reading the RFC on UTF-8 which says that formats that only allow UTF-8 SHOULD forbid a BOM
  10. # [00:47] <anne> I think we should violate that RFC, but I wanted to let you know
  11. # [00:48] <Hixie> i have a good reason for not following that SHOULD
  12. # [00:49] <Hixie> (it's called "notepad.exe")
  13. # [00:49] <anne> (that's RFC 3629, also STD 63)
  14. # [00:50] <anne> yeah, and in other applications it's not always clear whether you get a BOM in the end result or not
  15. # [00:52] <anne> In other news, it's funny that the RFC includes a "formal grammar" in the form of ABNF to help implementors and then a few lines later it strongly discourages implementors from using it!
  16. # [00:56] <anne> On a positive note, apparently it was discussed that a version parameter for UTF-8 might be needed and they haven't done that as explained in section 8.
  17. # [00:57] <anne> (Oh, no error handling in UTF-8. But I think everyone here knew that already.)
  18. # [00:59] <Hixie> specific error handling is needed for security reasons, no? namely refusing all but the smallest forms, and FFFDing everything else?
  19. # [01:01] <anne> FFFD is not mentioned in the RFC
  20. # [01:01] <anne> The security section does call out potential problems with decoding and that implementations have to deal with them. But that's it.
  21. # [01:01] <Hixie> nice
  22. # [01:01] <anne> Our Internet Standards are top quality
  23. # [01:02] <Hixie> there's far worse
  24. # [01:02] <anne> that actually reached the level Internet Standard?
  25. # [01:02] <anne> maybe URIs...
  26. # [01:02] <Hixie> the latest URI spec isn't so bad
  27. # [01:03] <Hixie> the "no error handling" problem is systemic, but it's only been in the last few years that we've come to realise the importance of errer handling, and this mindset hasn't trickled out to the old hands
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  62. # [09:10] <Lachy> anne, re the faq, I agree about dropping xhtml2/xforms and moving the participation questions up.
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  97. # [15:36] <anne> It's not clear whether Richard agrees with Henri or not (re: latest e-mail on @role and SVG)
  98. # [15:36] <anne> Can anyone enlighten me?
  99. # [15:43] <hsivonen> anne: it isn't clear to me, either
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  117. # [19:11] <shepazu> anne: it seemed to me that Rich thought he was disagreeing with Henri, but was actually at least partially agreeing
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