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  1. # Session Start: Fri Oct 19 00:00:00 2007
  2. # Session Ident: #html-wg
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  9. # [00:20] <anne> anything new?
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  11. # [00:22] <kingryan> yeah, anne, we decided to ditch html5 and work on xhtml2
  12. # [00:24] <anne> sounds sensible
  13. # [00:28] <kingryan> and we're gonna write xhtml2 in rdf
  14. # [00:28] <hsivonen> anne: do you see the scrollback after the telecon?
  15. # [00:29] <hsivonen> anne: changes to DOM Core were suggested
  16. # [00:29] <jgraham> <-- this needed a </satire>
  17. # [00:30] <jgraham> At the start of what hsivonen said
  18. # [00:30] <Hixie> have we considered no delimiter at all?
  19. # [00:30] <Hixie> ariadisabled?
  20. # [00:30] <Hixie> ariachecked?
  21. # [00:30] <Hixie> that would actually fit into HTML5 even better
  22. # [00:30] <jgraham> yuck
  23. # [00:30] <Hixie> it's what most html attributes are like
  24. # [00:31] <jgraham> most html attributes don't have an acronym as their first part and aren't being logically grouped by their first part
  25. # [00:38] * anne sees lots of additional discussion on ARIA syntax
  26. # [00:38] <anne> hsivonen, is that the thingie with the underscore?
  27. # [00:38] <anne> hsivonen, I was hoping I could ignore that
  28. # [00:39] <hsivonen> anne: what's the thingie with underscore?
  29. # [00:40] <anne> the changes to DOM Core
  30. # [00:40] <hsivonen> anne: yes
  31. # [00:41] <hsivonen> which, of course, is totally missing the point of not using the colon
  32. # [00:42] <anne> yeah, dunno
  33. # [00:42] <anne> seems like it's not really worth discussing this anymore as no technical arguments are put forward
  34. # [00:42] <Hixie> can we use the hyphen then?
  35. # [00:42] <anne> i'd say yes
  36. # [00:43] * anne would be fine with no prefix too
  37. # [00:43] <Hixie> just "disabled"?
  38. # [00:43] <anne> well, with aria as prefix instead of aria-
  39. # [00:43] <Hixie> ah yes
  40. # [00:43] <Hixie> i'm starting to like that too
  41. # [00:45] <jgraham> I don't have a strong opinion on - v _ except that the _ solution seems to be tied to also solving an even harder problem, but I really don't like not having a separator purely on aesthetic grounds
  42. # [00:53] <anne> whoa, lots of comments on SVG in text/html
  43. # [00:54] <anne> that's probably a (recent) record for comments on my blog
  44. # [00:54] <anne> that all those people are willing to write markup
  45. # [00:54] * anne is surprised
  46. # [01:01] <anne> ah I see, other people linked
  47. # [01:02] <Hixie> i love "Since most SVG is tool-generated, there's no compelling reason to "simplify" the syntax"
  48. # [01:02] <Hixie> I would have said "Since most SVG is tool-generated, there's a compelling reason to "simplify" the syntax"
  49. # [01:04] <Hixie> i don't really understand why svg wants to be in text/html though... i mean, isn't it just a supercharged font tag?
  50. # [01:06] <anne> does it make it any better when it's in a data: URL?
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  52. # [01:08] <anne> I don't really want to become an advocate of presentational markup, but sometimes little shorthands are convenient and not really harmful
  53. # [01:09] <anne> The argument that things are not black / white applies to "semantic markup" as well, I think
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  55. # [01:16] <jgraham> Indeed, I view semantic markup as a means to an end
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  57. # [01:20] <kingryan> jgraham: semantics have to be functional to be meaningful
  58. # [01:25] <jgraham> kingryan: if I understand you correctly, that may depend on the definition of functional and meaningful you choose. However I'm going to sleep now rather than thinking about the semantics of semantics :)
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  60. # [01:26] <jgraham> you may want to check if html5lib/ruby passes the tests I just checked in - for some reason my ruby isn't set up right
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  63. # [01:27] <kingryan> jgraham: good point and I'll check it out
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  66. # [01:35] <Hixie> anne: well, consider it from the point of view of an aural browser or lynx or something like that
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  126. # [10:42] * anne reads parts of the discussion from yesterday on validation/well-formedness
  127. # [10:42] * anne found it to be entertaining and sad
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