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  70. # [11:24] <zcorpan> anne: did you have tests on <!-- in js somewhere?
  71. # [11:25] <anne> some
  72. # [11:25] <zcorpan> pointer?
  73. # [11:25] <anne> http://tc.labs.opera.com/ecmascript/html-comments/
  74. # [11:26] <zcorpan> thanks
  75. # [11:26] <anne> I know see they're demos
  76. # [11:26] * zcorpan sends an email to es4-discuss
  77. # [11:26] <anne> good
  78. # [11:27] <anne> I believe the opinion is though that HTML should define the transformation from within <script> to ES4
  79. # [11:27] <zcorpan> well, i've seen <!-- in external js files
  80. # [11:27] <zcorpan> html doesn't have a lookin there
  81. # [11:28] <anne> ok, maybe you should add some demos for that too then?
  82. # [11:30] <anne> seems that ES4 will require a version switch for a few things
  83. # [11:54] <Philip> If HTML defined it for ES4, that wouldn't help with e.g. <script language="vbscript">
  84. # [11:56] <Philip> so it seems more reasonable for transformations to be defined by the scripting language (or some HTML-compatible layer for it) rather than in HTML
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  86. # [12:07] <hsivonen> what's the general backwards compat story of ES4?
  87. # [12:07] <hsivonen> will it just fail to run in old browsers?
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  89. # [12:15] <anne> I think so, yes
  90. # [12:15] <anne> I believe the idea is that you can run ES3 with an ES4 engine with certain flags set
  91. # [12:20] <anne> People from the W3C TAG are blogging too now it seems: http://www.w3.org/QA/2007/10/the_impact_of_javascript_and_x.html
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  93. # [12:25] <Dashiva> Nice broken link: http://http//www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/leastPower.html
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  96. # [12:31] <hsivonen> anne: is there a documented upgrade strategy that explains how Web app devs are going to buy into ES4?
  97. # [12:54] <myakura> hmm http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/diff/ http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/principles/
  98. # [12:54] <anne> hsivonen, I think they might work on some converter
  99. # [12:55] <myakura> both "public list of any patent disclosures" links point to the Policy Status for the RDF Data Access WG, wonders what's wrong...
  100. # [12:56] * anne copies and pastes those patent disclosure links most of the time
  101. # [12:57] <anne> but not from the RDF Data Access WG though...
  102. # [13:00] <myakura> hmmm
  103. # [13:00] <anne> hsivonen, I'm not really sure what the plan is though; I would've hoped it would not require a version switch at all
  104. # [13:03] <anne> myakura, maybe e-mail public-html and then hopefully someone from the W3C Team will give a solution
  105. # [13:03] <hsivonen> anne: http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/40318/status
  106. # [13:04] <myakura> great, that'll save my time :)
  107. # [13:04] <hsivonen> anne: (assuming that only the group number was wrong)
  108. # [13:08] <anne> actually, I think karl made copy & paste templates that I simply used
  109. # [13:08] <anne> well, I used one for html4-differences and maciej used one for html-design-principles
  110. # [13:10] <anne> fixed
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  113. # [13:18] <anne> Steve_f, made the change now; lack of response doesn't mean anything btw; it just means I haven't gotten around dealing with that particular e-mail yet
  114. # [13:19] * anne rather addresses a bunch of feedback at once
  115. # [13:20] <Steve_f> anne: cool thanks! my paranoia creeping in again, i work form home so have no one to chat to
  116. # [13:21] <anne> you can chat to us :)
  117. # [13:21] * anne also works from home
  118. # [13:22] <Steve_f> thanks! you guys are usually doing important stuff so don't want to disturb
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  124. # [14:13] <zcorpan> anne: hmm, so --> is also treated as a line comment? in ie and firefox?
  125. # [14:14] * zcorpan thought it was only <!--
  126. # [14:14] <Philip> Maybe only if it's at the start of a line?
  127. # [14:14] <Philip> (excepting whitespace etc)
  128. # [14:17] <zcorpan> http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C!DOCTYPE%20html%3E%3Cscript%3E--%3Ew(1)%3C%2Fscript%3E
  129. # [14:17] <zcorpan> i get a syntax error in ie...
  130. # [14:17] <zcorpan> but not firefox
  131. # [14:17] <zcorpan> http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C!DOCTYPE%20html%3E%3Cscript%3E%2F**%2F--%3Ew(1)%3C%2Fscript%3E
  132. # [14:19] <zcorpan> http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C!DOCTYPE%20html%3E%3Cscript%3Ew(1)--%3Ew(2)%3C%2Fscript%3E
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  135. # [14:20] <zcorpan> http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C!DOCTYPE%20html%3E%3Cscript%3Evar%20x%3B%20x--%3Ew(x)%3C%2Fscript%3E
  136. # [14:22] <Philip> http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C!DOCTYPE%20html%3E%3Cscript%3Efunction%20f()%20%7B%20var%20x%3B%20x--%3Ew(x)%3B%20%7D%20w(f)%20%3C%2Fscript%3E
  137. # [14:26] <zcorpan> yeah
  138. # [14:26] <zcorpan> it seems it's just firefox that sometimes treats --> as a line comment...
  139. # [14:28] <zcorpan> perhaps safari too
  140. # [14:36] <Philip> SpiderMonkey handles --> in the tokeniser, skipping the rest of the line if there hasn't been any non-whitespace on that line
  141. # [14:38] <zcorpan> /**/ comments don't seem to make a difference
  142. # [14:38] <zcorpan> (the second link above)
  143. # [14:40] <Philip> They're whitespace ;-)
  144. # [14:41] <zcorpan> very well :)
  145. # [14:46] <Philip> (It seems slightly scary how SpiderMonkey's parser has a whole XML parser mixed in with it)
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  147. # [14:51] <anne> whoa, a whole XML parser?
  148. # [14:51] * anne hopes DOCTYPEs are banned
  149. # [14:53] <Philip> Looks like it doesn't support DOCTYPEs at all
  150. # [14:53] <Philip> (This is for E4X)
  151. # [14:53] <zcorpan> hmm, the es4-discuss archives are only readable by subscribers
  152. # [14:53] <zcorpan> wonder if i should cc www-archive
  153. # [14:54] <hsivonen> zcorpan: CCing www-archive makes sense to me in that case
  154. # [14:54] <anne> yeah, +1
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  156. # [14:57] <zcorpan> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2007Oct/0039.html
  157. # [14:58] <anne> they should have banned <!-- from E4X
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  209. # [19:35] <trackbot-ng> Tracking ISSUEs and ACTIONs from http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/
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  212. # [19:42] <hsivonen> DanC: Re: your question on the telecon. I poked around the TAG Tracker and it seems reasonable on the surface. My main concern still is email integration, which I did not test.
  213. # [19:45] <DanC> email integration works fine as far as "link this message to that issue". it doesn't support "this message closes issue 24" or the like
  214. # [19:46] <DanC> oh. hi s-mon, and thanks
  215. # [19:46] <hsivonen> DanC: can it link old messages to new issues? (if the sender did not participate)
  216. # [19:46] <DanC> well, there's a way to add notes to issues, and those notes can link to anything
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  222. # [19:55] <hsivonen> DanC: OK. it would be cool if users could add archive URIs / message ids to the related messages so that messages sent directly to Tracker and messages categorized later would be displayed on the same list
  223. # [19:56] <DanC> that's not currently supported, but it sounds feasible
  224. # [19:57] <DanC> the tracker docs say where to send feedback/enhancement requests; if you want that request tracked, feel free to send it in before I do. (copy me if you do)
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  228. # [20:07] <hsivonen> DanC: ok. I think I need to use it for a bit before I can start sending in enhancement requests
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  231. # [20:26] <hsivonen> validator.nu now shows column numbers for checks implemented in schematron
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  237. # [20:50] <hsivonen> hmm. it seems that getting datatype error messages out of Jing is either complex or ugly
  238. # [20:50] <hsivonen> perhaps I should just go with global variable ugliness :-(
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  241. # [20:53] <hsivonen> hmm. or perhaps I can hijack ValidationContext for my own purposes...
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The end :)