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  1. # Session Start: Fri Oct 26 00:00:00 2007
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  12. # [00:44] <anne> I think David Orchard believes we're discussing a new feature or something
  13. # [00:49] <ChrisWilson> Be nice.
  14. # [00:49] <Hixie> who's not being nice?
  15. # [00:51] <ChrisWilson> He is talking about potential new functionality in the future. The fact that it works this way currently (that is, allows extra params but ignores) is of course of most interest to you for defining interop, but is an exploitable future feature to him.
  16. # [00:51] <Hixie> it doesn't allow extra parameters and ignore.
  17. # [00:51] <Hixie> it disallows extra parameters and concatenates any that are given
  18. # [00:51] <ChrisWilson> sorry, mistook one of his mails for yours.
  19. # [00:52] <Hixie> hence my confusion over what he's suggesting
  20. # [00:52] <ChrisWilson> or more to the point, I took "I had to define what happens when you get multiple args...do we want to allow it?" to mean we should
  21. # [00:53] <Hixie> i didn't mean any more than i said :-)
  22. # [00:53] <ChrisWilson> Yes; that's why I said sorry, made a mistake.
  23. # [00:58] <oedipus> hey, ChrisW -- hope you are o.k. -- never mind about the agenda, never mind my request for one...
  24. # [00:58] <ChrisWilson> at the moment, yeah. No, your request was perfectly valid, and I just dropped the ball yesterday.
  25. # [00:59] <oedipus> well, it was listed on http://www.w3.org/html/wg/il16 which is where we're supposed to check anyway -- public-html-wg-announce (or whatever it is) is a courtesy done by the chairs for the convenience of the WG
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  34. # [01:56] <oedipus> anne and mjs: are you ok with 31 october 2007 at either 1700z (1pm EDT/10am PDT/1800 amsterdam)
  35. # [01:56] <oedipus> or 1730z to 1830z (1:30pm EDT/10:30am PDT/1830 amsterdam)
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  37. # [01:58] <oedipus> anne & mjs: want to request bridge time for jftf today, if possible...
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  44. # [02:35] <oedipus> ChrisW: didn't get a response from anne or mjs, but from previous correspondence, i believe (and will double-check) that they are available at the time mentioned earlier in IRC
  45. # [02:36] <oedipus> ChrisW: bridge time is supposed to be requested a week in advance?
  46. # [02:37] <oedipus> last appeal for time/date consensus: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms-tf/2007Oct/0043.html
  47. # [02:37] <oedipus> initial (vague) agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms-tf/2007Oct/0022.html
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  50. # [02:39] <oedipus> ChrisW: maciej is the wild-card - he's on PDT - i'm on EDT and everyone else is about to switch to CET
  51. # [02:40] <oedipus> (GMT +1) that is
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  111. # [11:06] * Topic is 'next HTML WG telcon 25 Oct 2300Z http://www.w3.org/html/wg/ (more logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/ )'
  112. # [11:06] * Set by DanC on Mon Oct 22 16:50:08
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  127. # [12:41] <anne> Philip, yt?
  128. # [12:41] <Philip> Yes (for a short while)
  129. # [12:41] * anne found the comments on radial gradients in <canvas>
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  131. # [12:49] <hsivonen> hmm. so video got width, height and playcount
  132. # [12:49] <hsivonen> were there other markup feature changes that I missed?
  133. # [12:54] <hsivonen> hmm. playcount was IRC-only
  134. # [12:54] <hsivonen> not in the spec yet
  135. # [12:56] <anne> it got poster= too
  136. # [12:58] <hsivonen> anne: thanks
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  140. # [13:25] <hsivonen> anne: are you planning to give a "short presentation" at the f2f?
  141. # [13:26] <hsivonen> anne: would you find it beneficial to the WG if I pitched a "short presentation" about the current state of Validator.nu? (something much shorter than what I did at XTech)
  142. # [13:28] * anne wasn't planning on presenting anything
  143. # [13:28] * anne would like a presentation on the validator
  144. # [13:28] <hsivonen> anne: OK.
  145. # [13:29] <anne> I might make a few slides for the planery day
  146. # [13:29] <hsivonen> I think I'll just say my points without slides.
  147. # [13:29] <hsivonen> on the plenary day, that is
  148. # [13:33] <anne> I guess that might work too; I was thinking of putting a few words up for people who don't pay attention
  149. # [13:35] <hsivonen> I guess I could make four slides with keywords in case there's an easy opportunity to show them without too much hassle
  150. # [13:35] <hsivonen> (My travel computing device doesn't have VGA out)
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  163. # [15:51] <zcorpan> Hixie: poster="" should probably be shown even when there is video data available, only not when the video has started playing. actually, perhaps it should simply be shown when the video is paused and currentTime is 0.
  164. # [15:52] <zcorpan> (not when it is stalled or seeking)
  165. # [15:54] <zcorpan> because the first frame of the video might be black, and you want the poster frame to be shown before the user starts playing the video
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  168. # [16:06] <hsivonen> yeah, the poster frame should be displayed when QuickTime would show .mov/.mp4 built-in poster frame
  169. # [16:11] <zcorpan> not sure how QT does it, but if the poster frame is shown again when the user strops the video but not when the user pauses and seeks to the beginning of the video, then perhaps .stop() should be revived
  170. # [16:14] <zcorpan> otherwise authors would have to remove and add the poster="" attribute to simulate that behavior, which seems annoying
  171. # [16:28] <DanC> hmm... XHTML Role module last call comments are due today
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  173. # [16:32] <zcorpan> really?
  174. # [16:33] <zcorpan> oh yep
  175. # [16:33] * zcorpan should send some comments then
  176. # [16:35] <zcorpan> where should last call comments be sent?
  177. # [16:35] <zcorpan> public-xhtml2?
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  179. # [16:35] <zcorpan> the draft seems to suggest www-html-editor
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  182. # [17:05] <zcorpan> foo ::= [ '1' [ '2' ] ] '3'
  183. # [17:06] <zcorpan> does '23' match foo?
  184. # [17:06] <zcorpan> '13' ?
  185. # [17:13] <anne> I believe [] indicates optional, and therefore the BNF for XHTML role didn't make much sense to me...
  186. # [17:13] <zcorpan> right
  187. # [17:14] <anne> I think we should get stop() back
  188. # [17:14] <anne> we support it, for one
  189. # [17:14] <anne> :)
  190. # [17:15] * anne is all about constructive arguments today
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  194. # [18:03] <zcorpan> ok, sent last call comments
  195. # [18:05] <zcorpan> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0122.html
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  197. # [18:16] <Philip> SVG Tiny 1.2 appears to have removed the focal point from radial gradients - it only has cx,cy,r
  198. # [18:16] <Philip> (whereas SVG 1.1 has cx,cy,r,fx,fy)
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  207. # [19:47] <DanC> ah... thanks, zcorpan . I share many of those concerns with XHTML Role
  208. # [19:50] <DanC> bookmarked under http://www.w3.org/html/wg/il16#xhtml2-coord
  209. # [19:50] * DanC noodles on migrating such things to tracker
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  218. # [22:14] <Philip> Aha, Firefox getImageData is fixed again
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  220. # [22:38] <Hixie> hm, is ben's presentation outline intended to be for one of the sessions of our unconference? cos it seems a bit long for a session, usually they're intended to be mostly interactive on a focussed subject...
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  222. # [22:40] <ChrisWilson2> no, I think he's intending it for the other half of the FTF.
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  224. # [22:44] <Hixie> which part? the 15 minute presentations or the saturday morning discussions?
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  227. # [22:51] <hsivonen> I've never been to an unconference. advice on how many subtopics I could tackle if I were to talk briefly about the design and current state of Validator.nu?
  228. # [22:52] <hsivonen> s/advice/do you have any advice/
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  230. # [23:03] <Hixie> hsivonen: i'd have an early session about the validator, give a five minute overview at the start that introduces a problem you need solving, and then have the session turn into debate and cooperation on solving that problem. once solved, move onto another problem. if it works well, schedule another session and repeat.
  231. # [23:06] <hsivonen> hmm. I don't think there's a problem with the validator that'd need that kind of solving
  232. # [23:06] <hsivonen> I was thinking more like explaining why HTML5 does schemas differently
  233. # [23:06] <hsivonen> but perhaps that's not appropriate for the meeting
  234. # [23:06] <hsivonen> it would be more conferencey
  235. # [23:08] <hsivonen> well, the foremost problem that I'd need community help with is regression testing and QA in general
  236. # [23:08] <Hixie> no, that would be a fine thing to discuss
  237. # [23:08] <anne> testing in general would be a good topic
  238. # [23:09] <anne> well, that and implementing and we're done :)
  239. # [23:10] <gsnedders> ChrisWilson2: is it the HTTP.sys team that do the HTTP response parsing in IE, or is it within IE itself?
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  245. # [23:34] <jgraham> Hixie: I'm pretty sure Ben intended it to be part of the 15 minute presentations
  246. # [23:34] * jgraham intends to suggest a session on at least parser testcases, perhaps testcases in general
  247. # [23:35] <jgraham> (an unconcerence session)
  248. # [23:35] <jgraham> s/unconcerence/unconference/
  249. # [23:37] <gsnedders> get me there kthxbai
  250. # [23:37] <gsnedders> :P
  251. # [23:38] <Philip> Hmm, I don't like it when I find bugs in my test cases
  252. # [23:38] * gsnedders wonders whether to ask the pointless, "Why?"
  253. # [23:39] <jgraham> I don't linke it when I find bugs in general. OTOH I quite like it when other people complain about bugs in stuff that I've done because it shows they care...because it
  254. # [23:39] <Philip> It makes me mistrust all my other test cases, but there's over five hundred and I don't really fancy checking them all :-)
  255. # [23:55] <anne> what should help with that in the future is if you file bug reports on the testcases so you get direct feedback
  256. # [23:55] <anne> s/should/could/
  257. # [23:55] <anne> for 500 testcases this might take a while though
  258. # [23:59] <Philip> That feedback approach doesn't work so well for Opera, since bug reports tend to drop into a black hole and nothing comes out until the next beta release :-)
  259. # [23:59] <Hixie> jgraham: hope he fits it in :-)
  260. # Session Close: Sat Oct 27 00:00:00 2007

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