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  1. # Session Start: Thu Nov 01 00:00:01 2007
  2. # Session Ident: #html-wg
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  9. # [01:37] <jgraham> Did my last email to www-html make any sense?
  10. # [01:40] * Hixie looks
  11. # [01:41] <Hixie> you didn't sent one that made the archives
  12. # [01:42] <jgraham> Sorry, I mean public-html, not www-html
  13. # [01:42] * jgraham really should be asleep at this point
  14. # [01:43] <Hixie> yes, it made sense except for one bit where you said UTF-16 but meant UTF-8
  15. # [01:43] <Hixie> ("to be changed to UTF-16")
  16. # [01:43] <jgraham> Ah, the irony
  17. # [01:43] <Hixie> glad you replied, though, because my reply won't be for months
  18. # [01:44] <jgraham> OK, thanks. I was finding it quite hard to express myself so I was a bit worried it would come out as nonsense
  19. # [01:44] * jgraham -> bed
  20. # [01:48] <karl> jgraham: interesting emails. the thread made me think about a possible activity during the tpac
  21. # [02:07] <karl> http://www.w3.org/2007/10/31-aria-minutes.html
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  25. # [02:17] <karl> I'm amazed how many times anne is saying things which are not true "AVK: no real XML usage on web;"
  26. # [02:17] <karl> I wonder if it's a way to convince himself :)
  27. # [02:45] <Philip> Is it a success because it's used on tens of millions of pages, or a failure because it's only used on hundredths of a percent of pages?
  28. # [02:56] <karl> Philip: it only depends on what you call the "Web". The Web is not only my browser and the Web is not only something which goes from ip1 to ip2.
  29. # [02:56] <karl> It reminds me of people of saying "IE = internet". They were launching Internet by clicking on IE blue icon.
  30. # [02:58] <karl> for the failure of millions and small percentages, yes some people say that about a lot of techniques, ideas, and people which are in minorities. Not my way of thinking.
  31. # [02:58] <karl> question of choices.
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  47. # [04:20] <MikeSmith> 4 seems to be unlikely number as far as Web technologies.. maybe they should have skipped straight to ES4
  48. # [04:20] <MikeSmith> ES5, make that
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  53. # [05:13] <MikeSmith> anne, hsivonen - question copied over from #webkit
  54. # [05:13] <MikeSmith> <olliej> Hixie: <li><pre>foo</li> -- should the pre be closed?
  55. # [05:13] <MikeSmith> ... meaning I guess what does the parsing algorithm specify for handling of that case
  56. # [05:15] <Hixie> see the spec
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  58. # [05:38] <MikeSmith> Hixie - OK, I find 'An end tag whose tag name is one of: "dd", "dt", "li"... then generate implied end tags'
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  60. # [05:41] <MikeSmith> which seems pretty unambiguous
  61. # [05:41] <MikeSmith> after actually taking time to read it
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  64. # [06:06] <MikeSmith> http://www.itmedia.co.jp/news/
  65. # [06:06] <MikeSmith> oops
  66. # [06:06] <MikeSmith> wrong channel
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  71. # [09:14] <anne> MikeSmith, yeah
  72. # [09:17] * MikeSmith trying to remember what anne might be yeah'ing to
  73. # [09:18] <MikeSmith> the ES5 thing I said?
  74. # [09:19] <anne> <li><pre>foo</li> the </li> closes the <pre>
  75. # [09:19] <MikeSmith> ah, thanks
  76. # [09:20] <MikeSmith> yeah, that seemed perfectly clear after I actually took 2 minutes to read the spec
  77. # [09:20] <MikeSmith> not sure what olliej found confusing about it
  78. # [09:30] <anne> karl, that we have a different definition of Web doesn't mean I'm wrong
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  80. # [09:30] * anne would still be interested to see all this XML usage though
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  100. # [12:07] <beowulf> did the XHTML link on w3c always point at the XHTML2 WG?
  101. # [12:08] <anne> no idea
  102. # [12:11] <Dashiva> The waybackmachine probably knows
  103. # [12:11] <anne> or CVS
  104. # [12:11] <anne> but I'm not sure how to find out
  105. # [12:12] <Philip> It has always linked to /MarkUp/ (at least since 2001), but that used to not be XHTML2
  106. # [12:12] <beowulf> yeah
  107. # [12:13] <anne> XHTML2 was added in revision 4.1988 and HTML was updated in the same revision
  108. # [12:14] <anne> XHTML and XForms were added in revision 2.160 it seems
  109. # [12:14] <beowulf> /MarkUp/ is now xhtml2, interesting
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  112. # [12:25] <hsivonen> /MarkUp/ was the old HTML WG. When the old HTML WG was renamed XHTML2 WG, they continued to use /MarkUp/
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  114. # [12:38] <anne> What I said earlier about ECMAScript 4 requiring version checks is apparently no longer true. If you want to use some (subset?) of the new features of ECMAScript 4 you have to declare "use namespace intrinsic" at the top of your script, but it's not that you have to declare <script type=...version=4> or something like that
  115. # [12:40] <Philip> Mozilla already allows most JS1.7 features and syntax in plain <script>s, so I guess the idea is to carry on doing the same with the rest of ES4
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  117. # [12:43] <Philip> *JS1.8
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  119. # [12:51] <anne> So as far as I can tell the potential compatibility problems are bugfixes to ECMAScript 3 (which were already compatibility problems to begin with) and new keywords like 'let' and 'yield' although most of these are protected in some way as well
  120. # [12:51] <anne> (such as "use namespace intrinsic" mentioned earlier)
  121. # [12:53] <Dashiva> As I understand it, the instrinsic magic is needed to unlock anything that wasn't a reserved word already
  122. # [12:54] * Philip wonders if anyone has looked at JS code in the wild, to see how much would be parsed differently under ES4
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  130. # [13:12] * Set by DanC on Tue Oct 30 19:25:19
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  150. # [16:53] <anne> so telcon in 7 minutes or so?
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  152. # [16:59] <DanC> yes
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  154. # [16:59] <DanC> Zakim, clear agenda
  155. # [16:59] <Zakim> agenda cleared
  156. # [16:59] <DanC> agenda + Convene HTML WG meeting of 2007-11-01T16:00:00Z
  157. # [16:59] * Zakim notes agendum 1 added
  158. # [16:59] <DanC> agenda + # face-to-face meeting 8-10 November
  159. # [16:59] * Zakim notes agendum 2 added
  160. # [16:59] <DanC> agenda + toward release of Design Principles
  161. # [16:59] * Zakim notes agendum 3 added
  162. # [17:00] <DanC> agenda + Issue tracking
  163. # [17:00] * Zakim notes agendum 4 added
  164. # [17:00] <DanC> agenda + Detailed Spec Reviews, toward 1st public WD of design
  165. # [17:00] * Zakim notes agendum 5 added
  166. # [17:00] <DanC> agenda + Name for XHTML serialization
  167. # [17:00] * Zakim notes agendum 6 added
  168. # [17:00] <DanC> RRSAgent, pointer?
  169. # [17:00] <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2007/11/01-html-wg-irc#T16-00-00
  170. # [17:00] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
  171. # [17:01] <Zakim> +??P1
  172. # [17:01] * DanC Zakim, call DanC-BOS
  173. # [17:01] * Zakim ok, DanC; the call is being made
  174. # [17:01] <Zakim> +DanC
  175. # [17:01] <anne> Zakim, who is here?
  176. # [17:01] <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P1, DanC (muted)
  177. # [17:01] <Zakim> On IRC I see Julian, ChrisWilson, anne, smedero, timbl, olivier, krijnh, aaronlev, matt, DanC, beowulf, myakura, Lachy, ROBOd, tH, shepazu, Thezilch, gsnedders, hasather, laplink,
  178. # [17:01] <Zakim> ... gavin_, paullewis, gavin, heycam, drry, xover, deltab, Philip, Dashiva, jgraham, hsivonen, jmb, bogi, jane, Hixie, trackbot-ng, Bob_le_Pointu, Zakim, RRSAgent, Shunsuke
  179. # [17:01] <anne> Zakim, passcode?
  180. # [17:01] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), anne
  181. # [17:01] <DanC> Zakim, ??P1 is hsivonen
  182. # [17:01] <Zakim> +hsivonen; got it
  183. # [17:01] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  184. # [17:01] <ChrisWilson> Zakim, Microsoft is me
  185. # [17:01] <Zakim> +ChrisWilson; got it
  186. # [17:01] <DanC> Zakim, take up item 1
  187. # [17:01] <Zakim> agendum 1. "Convene HTML WG meeting of 2007-11-01T16:00:00Z" taken up [from DanC]
  188. # [17:01] <Zakim> + +049251aaaa
  189. # [17:02] <Zakim> +Anne
  190. # [17:02] <DanC> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/10/18-html-wg-minutes minutes 18 Oct
  191. # [17:02] <DanC> Zakim, aaaa is Julian
  192. # [17:02] <Zakim> +Julian; got it
  193. # [17:02] <anne> Zakim, Anne is me
  194. # [17:02] <Zakim> +anne; got it
  195. # [17:02] <Zakim> +Doug_Schepers
  196. # [17:02] <hsivonen> advance regrets that I have to leave before the hour is up
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  198. # [17:02] <shepazu> Zakim, doug_schepers is me
  199. # [17:02] <Zakim> +shepazu; got it
  200. # [17:04] <DanC> Anne: Chaals at risk for HTML WG ftf; WebAPI meets at the same time
  201. # [17:05] * anne can't scribe
  202. # [17:05] * shepazu is working on other stuff, sorry
  203. # [17:05] <DanC> CW: regrets 15 Nov
  204. # [17:06] <Zakim> -shepazu
  205. # [17:06] <DanC> Chair: DanC
  206. # [17:06] <DanC> regrets: MikeSmith
  207. # [17:06] <DanC> Zakim, who's on the phone?
  208. # [17:06] <Zakim> On the phone I see hsivonen, DanC, ChrisWilson, Julian, anne
  209. # [17:06] <ChrisWilson> Scribe: ChrisWilson
  210. # [17:06] <DanC> Zakim, next item
  211. # [17:06] <Zakim> agendum 2. "# face-to-face meeting 8-10 November" taken up [from DanC]
  212. # [17:06] <DanC> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/nov07
  213. # [17:07] <DanC> http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-TechPlenAgenda.html
  214. # [17:07] <ChrisWilson> Dan: if you haven't looked at the TP day agenda, please do.
  215. # [17:08] <Zakim> +shepazu
  216. # [17:08] <ChrisWilson> Dan: particularly "Future Formats: HTML5 and XHTML2"
  217. # [17:09] <ChrisWilson> Dan: "Openness of Working Groups"
  218. # [17:10] <DanC> @@update pointer to weds fun
  219. # [17:10] <ChrisWilson> Thursday, W3C is NOT providing lunch. We are starting at 1:30PM.
  220. # [17:11] <ChrisWilson> List of registrants shows 20-odd WG participants, +20-30-odd observers.
  221. # [17:11] <ChrisWilson> Many of observers will only be there 1 day.
  222. # [17:11] <ChrisWilson> Dan: We should start by going around the table?
  223. # [17:12] <ChrisWilson> Henri: maybe just people who want to work on a topic come forward?
  224. # [17:12] <ChrisWilson> Chris: we can cap time?
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  226. # [17:12] <ChrisWilson> s/Henri/Anne
  227. # [17:13] <ChrisWilson> Dan: only have one short presentation right now; was thinking of recruiting UAs to give pitches?
  228. # [17:14] <ChrisWilson> Chris: we should make sure to reserve the time for unconference pitches.
  229. # [17:14] <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
  230. # [17:14] <shepazu> q+
  231. # [17:14] * Zakim sees shepazu on the speaker queue
  232. # [17:15] <ChrisWilson> Dan: It's traditional to do the diagramming of Web Architecture @ W3C, etcv.
  233. # [17:15] <ChrisWilson> Dan: I'll put myself on the short prez list for "this end is up for the W3C"
  234. # [17:16] <DanC> (pointer to your unconference pitch in email, hsivonen ?)
  235. # [17:16] <ChrisWilson> Dan: That's Thursday; Friday we'll go on the unconf plan determined on Thursday, Saturday is large group
  236. # [17:16] <shepazu> q-
  237. # [17:16] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  238. # [17:17] <hsivonen> the pointer http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Oct/0393.html
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  240. # [17:19] <ChrisWilson> <discussion of unconference management ensues>
  241. # [17:19] <ChrisWilson> Anne: don't forget to leave time to report back.
  242. # [17:20] <DanC> @@note report-back session might take the place of the 4pm slot on Fri
  243. # [17:21] <DanC> ACTION DanC: find out if we can stay late on Fri
  244. # [17:21] * RRSAgent records action 6
  245. # [17:22] <DanC> Zakim, next item
  246. # [17:22] <Zakim> agendum 3. "toward release of Design Principles" taken up [from DanC]
  247. # [17:22] <ChrisWilson> Dan: Anne? Maciej?
  248. # [17:22] <DanC> reviewing ACTION: Maciej to finish editing pass based on pending comments, e.g. from August review of HTML Design Principles survey; particularly accessiblility
  249. # [17:22] <ChrisWilson> Anne: miracle failed to happen.
  250. # [17:22] <mjs> hi ChrisWilson
  251. # [17:22] <ChrisWilson> hi!
  252. # [17:23] <mjs> might have time tonight but I have an all-day meeting today
  253. # [17:23] <DanC> . http://dev.w3.org/html5/html-design-principles/Overview.html 1.10 $ of $Date: 2007-10-22 11:09:19
  254. # [17:23] <DanC> go mjs, go!
  255. # [17:23] <DanC> hope springs eternal
  256. # [17:24] <ChrisWilson> Dan: I would really like to put the question forward tomorrow
  257. # [17:24] <DanC> s/forward/formally/
  258. # [17:25] <ChrisWilson> Dan continues to hope for a miracle
  259. # [17:25] <oedipus> possibly related UAAG 2.0 Requirements - new public draft (31 october 2007)
  260. # [17:25] <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-UAAG20-requirements-20071031/
  261. # [17:26] <DanC> ACTION DanC: review progress on design principles; if looks ok, put publication question to the WG
  262. # [17:26] * RRSAgent records action 7
  263. # [17:26] * Lachy forgot about the telcon
  264. # [17:26] * Lachy is it worth calling in now, or is it almost over?
  265. # [17:26] * anne dial in...
  266. # [17:26] * oedipus only half way through so go for it...
  267. # [17:26] <Lachy> Zakim, passcode
  268. # [17:26] <Zakim> I don't understand 'passcode', Lachy
  269. # [17:27] <DanC> Zakim, passcode?
  270. # [17:27] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), DanC
  271. # [17:27] <DanC> you're more than welcome, Lachy
  272. # [17:27] <ChrisWilson> Chris: Dan, I'm fine with putting the Design Principles question formally when you're ready, don't block on me
  273. # [17:27] <DanC> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/dprv/results
  274. # [17:27] <Zakim> +??P11
  275. # [17:27] <DanC> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/dprv/results#xua
  276. # [17:27] <DanC> Zakim, ??P11 is Lachy
  277. # [17:27] <Zakim> +Lachy; got it
  278. # [17:28] <DanC> Laura Carlson supports Steve Faulkner's proposal [1]
  279. # [17:28] <DanC> "Design features to be accessible, universal, and inclusive. Access by everyone regardless of ability is an essential. Deliverables will satisfy accessibility requirements. To ensure this we will work closely with the WAI<http://www.w3.org/2007/03/HTML-WG-charter.html#wai>."
  280. # [17:28] <DanC> [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Aug/0663.html
  281. # [17:29] <ChrisWilson> Dan: the three individuals who commented would be satisfied by those words
  282. # [17:29] <DanC> . http://www.w3.org/html/wg/il16
  283. # [17:29] <DanC> Zakim, next item
  284. # [17:29] <Zakim> agendum 4. "Issue tracking" taken up [from DanC]
  285. # [17:30] <DanC> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/
  286. # [17:30] <DanC> * Dan Connolly has 0 actions
  287. # [17:30] <DanC> * James Graham has 0 actions
  288. # [17:30] <DanC> * Julian Reschke has 0 actions
  289. # [17:30] <DanC> * Gregory Rosmaita has 0 actions
  290. # [17:30] <DanC> * Michael(tm) Smith has 0 actions
  291. # [17:30] <DanC> * Chris Wilson has 0 actions
  292. # [17:31] <Lachy> Zakim, mute me
  293. # [17:31] <Zakim> Lachy should now be muted
  294. # [17:31] <DanC> smedero, hi.
  295. # [17:31] <DanC> are you around?
  296. # [17:31] <oedipus> only real post of substance on tracker: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Oct/0367.html
  297. # [17:31] <smedero> Hi, Dan. Yes, I'm on IRC.
  298. # [17:32] * smedero has a sore throat
  299. # [17:32] <DanC> > "Currently I work at a non-profit research institution that creates
  300. # [17:32] <DanC> > large-scale linguistic data for research purposes"
  301. # [17:32] <DanC> > http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/tasks83/results
  302. # [17:32] <smedero> Happy to volunteer for issue tracking work.
  303. # [17:32] <oedipus> GJR signed up for FORMs review
  304. # [17:33] <ChrisWilson> *Gregory takes data minin
  305. # [17:33] <ChrisWilson> er, s/minin/mining
  306. # [17:33] <DanC> jgraham, any thoughts on issues? fire when ready on http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/
  307. # [17:35] <DanC> ACTION DanC: add a tracker product for requirements and for spec/design
  308. # [17:35] * RRSAgent records action 8
  309. # [17:35] <ChrisWilson> ?: is anyone opposed to SVG?
  310. # [17:36] <ChrisWilson> Dan: I'm opposed to anything :)
  311. # [17:36] <DanC> s/?:/Dougs/
  312. # [17:36] <ChrisWilson> Anne?: Some people oppose SVG on the principle that it's presentational
  313. # [17:36] <ChrisWilson> Doug: Who?
  314. # [17:37] <oedipus> some people support SVG because it is structured and has built-in native accessibility (desc, title)
  315. # [17:37] <Lachy> I'm not opposed to introducing SVG or MathML into HTML syntax
  316. # [17:37] <ChrisWilson> we should consider that together with the extensibility proposal from Sam Ruby
  317. # [17:37] <ChrisWilson> Dan: There's a TAG issue with that
  318. # [17:38] <DanC> TagSoupIntegration
  319. # [17:38] <ChrisWilson> We should add that to the issues list.
  320. # [17:38] * DanC q?
  321. # [17:38] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  322. # [17:38] <ChrisWilson> Henri?: we could discuss just SVG independent of the general extensibility issue.
  323. # [17:39] <oedipus> GJR thinks problem is mis-understanding of XHTML Roles Module -- basis of ARIA is XHTML Role Module's extensibility mechanism
  324. # [17:39] * hsivonen yeah that was me
  325. # [17:39] <DanC> Zakim, next item
  326. # [17:39] <Zakim> agendum 5. "Detailed Spec Reviews, toward 1st public WD of design" taken up [from DanC]
  327. # [17:39] <Lachy> Zakim, unmute me
  328. # [17:39] <Zakim> Lachy should no longer be muted
  329. # [17:39] <DanC> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/SpecReviews
  330. # [17:39] <ChrisWilson> Dan: I did detailed audit of spec reviews
  331. # [17:39] <DanC> "in hopes of showing that each section was reviewed by at least a couple HTML WG members."
  332. # [17:40] <DanC> couldn't find review of Preformatted text section
  333. # [17:40] <ChrisWilson> Dan: I added the explicit goal at the top, and found that the whole "preformatted text" section is unreviewed.
  334. # [17:40] <DanC> nor Interaction
  335. # [17:41] <DanC> 3.5 Interaction http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/#interaction
  336. # [17:41] <ChrisWilson> Dan: that concerns me
  337. # [17:43] <Julian> ...yes, that concerns me as well.
  338. # [17:44] * DanC wasn't finished
  339. # [17:44] <DanC> q+ to ask for test cases for section 3.5 Interaction
  340. # [17:44] * Zakim sees DanC on the speaker queue
  341. # [17:44] <ChrisWilson> Doug: If there is stuff that should be generalized, it should be added to generic DOM, but HTML-specific stuff doesn't concern me.
  342. # [17:45] <DanC> e.g. any test cases for "The click() method must fire a click event at the element,"
  343. # [17:46] <DanC> "Big Issue: Well that clearly needs more." -- 3.5.2. Focus
  344. # [17:47] <ChrisWilson> Doug: Would it be possible to use named colors in the styling of the spec, since screenreaders can't always find hex colors?
  345. # [17:48] * DanC is trying to talk with gregory
  346. # [17:48] <shepazu> s/gregory: Would/doug: Would/
  347. # [17:48] <ChrisWilson> whoops
  348. # [17:48] <DanC> agenda + accessiblity of "Big Issue" notes
  349. # [17:48] * Zakim notes agendum 7 added
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  351. # [17:49] <ChrisWilson> I just looked at the spec with a rool, and it is "red" in the page
  352. # [17:50] <Lachy> I believe the Big Issue notes were already made more accessible. The text "Big Issue:" is inserted by script into the DOM, so screen readers should see it
  353. # [17:50] <hsivonen> (my time is up. sorry. bye. see you in the f2f)
  354. # [17:50] <DanC> ACTION GR: suggest accessibility improvement for "Big issue" marker
  355. # [17:50] * RRSAgent records action 9
  356. # [17:50] <DanC> Zakim, agenda?
  357. # [17:50] <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
  358. # [17:50] <Zakim> 5. Detailed Spec Reviews, toward 1st public WD of design [from DanC]
  359. # [17:50] <Zakim> 6. Name for XHTML serialization [from DanC]
  360. # [17:50] <Zakim> 7. accessiblity of "Big Issue" notes [from DanC]
  361. # [17:51] <DanC> agenda -7
  362. # [17:51] * Zakim notes agendum 7, accessiblity of "Big Issue" notes, dropped
  363. # [17:51] <Zakim> -hsivonen
  364. # [17:51] <ChrisWilson> [discussion of screenreader function]
  365. # [17:51] <DanC> Topic: accessiblity of "Big Issue" notes
  366. # [17:51] <Zakim> -shepazu
  367. # [17:52] * DanC was sorta trying to move on, but maybe this is a good use of time after all
  368. # [17:53] <DanC> Zakim, next item
  369. # [17:53] <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, DanC
  370. # [17:53] * DanC q?
  371. # [17:53] * Zakim sees DanC on the speaker queue
  372. # [17:53] <DanC> ack danc
  373. # [17:53] <Zakim> DanC, you wanted to ask for test cases for section 3.5 Interaction
  374. # [17:53] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  375. # [17:53] <DanC> Zakim, next item
  376. # [17:53] <Zakim> agendum 6. "Name for XHTML serialization" taken up [from DanC]
  377. # [17:53] <DanC> ACTION: ChrisW discuss XHTML name coordination with XHTML 2 WG in the Hypertext CG [DONE]
  378. # [17:53] * trackbot-ng noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  379. # [17:53] <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - ChrisW
  380. # [17:53] * RRSAgent records action 10
  381. # [17:53] <Zakim> +shepazu
  382. # [17:54] <DanC> CW: a next step is the TP session Weds
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  384. # [17:54] <DanC> DC reported on CW's progress http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Oct/0385.html
  385. # [17:54] <DanC> editor's thoughts: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Oct/0386.html
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  387. # [17:57] <DanC> ACTION GR: let XHTML 2 WG know about HTML 5 editor's thoughts (0386)
  388. # [17:57] * RRSAgent records action 11
  389. # [17:57] <DanC> Zakim, next item
  390. # [17:57] <Zakim> I do not see any non-closed or non-skipped agenda items, DanC
  391. # [17:57] <DanC> ADJOURN.
  392. # [17:57] <Zakim> -Julian
  393. # [17:58] <Zakim> -shepazu
  394. # [17:58] <DanC> (I'll clean up the minutes and send in the next day or 2)
  395. # [17:58] <Zakim> -ChrisWilson
  396. # [17:58] <Zakim> -Lachy
  397. # [17:58] <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita
  398. # [17:58] <Zakim> -DanC
  399. # [17:59] <DanC> trackbot-ng, status?
  400. # [17:59] <DanC> trackbot-ng, status
  401. # [17:59] * trackbot-ng knows about the following 2 users: Chris, Dan
  402. # [17:59] <DanC> trackbot-ng, you're confused
  403. # [17:59] * DanC puts off wrestling with the bots for another time/day
  404. # [18:00] <smedero> Hi DanC, sorry I couldn't be on the call directly.
  405. # [18:02] <DanC> might have been nice, but it's OK
  406. # [18:02] <smedero> I have some time tomorrow I could talk by phone... and there's a decent chance I can make the ftf next week.
  407. # [18:03] * anne will look into HDP and interaction tests tomorrow
  408. # [18:03] <anne> DanC, btw, subsections of 4. are far more complicated than 3.5
  409. # [18:04] <smedero> W3C's Tracker seems ideal for this group... it certainly beats the ESW wiki.
  410. # [18:04] <anne> 3.5 contains some really quite basic APIs
  411. # [18:04] <anne> so far anyway
  412. # [18:04] <smedero> When I last looked into this (just over a month ago) there were only like six "issue" pages that actually matched the issue template the editors created.
  413. # [18:05] <smedero> The rest of the pages read more like background research or even position papers... but not issues.
  414. # [18:06] * DanC is conflicted; would love to chat with smedero now, but is in a TAG telcon
  415. # [18:06] * anne has to go, bye
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  417. # [18:09] <Zakim> -anne
  418. # [18:09] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  419. # [18:09] <Zakim> Attendees were DanC, hsivonen, ChrisWilson, +049251aaaa, Julian, anne, shepazu, Gregory_Rosmaita, Lachy
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