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  40. # [08:41] <hsivonen> were the tech plenary day captions recorded somewhere as a searchable transcript?
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  76. # [15:25] <gsnedders> anne: ping?
  77. # [15:27] <anne> quick
  78. # [15:28] <gsnedders> anne: see the latest reply to my thread on ietf-http-wg?
  79. # [15:28] <anne> euh
  80. # [15:29] <anne> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2007OctDec/0107.html ?
  81. # [15:29] <gsnedders> anne: <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2007OctDec/0128.html>
  82. # [15:30] <anne> no opinion
  83. # [15:30] <gsnedders> anne: looks like trying to avoid defining behaviour, does it not?
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  85. # [15:31] <anne> just tell them
  86. # [15:32] <gsnedders> tried to already :(
  87. # [15:32] <anne> you're implementing after all, if they're not willing to explain how you're reading it incorrectly then I suppose you can give up
  88. # [15:32] <gsnedders> I think they're saying it's meant to be obvious from other impls
  89. # [15:33] <anne> that seems wrong
  90. # [15:33] <anne> that's like saying it would be obvious from HTML4 that you shouldn't use an SGML parser
  91. # [15:34] <gsnedders> well, at least it has a whole section on where an author shouldn't assume one is used
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  98. # [16:04] <anne> Steven and Joshue about the meeting:
  99. # [16:04] <anne> http://html4all.org/pipermail/list_html4all.org/2007-November/000533.html
  100. # [16:04] <anne> http://html4all.org/pipermail/list_html4all.org/2007-November/000536.html
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  103. # [16:54] <smedero> "A bright spot was that Anne and Ian hickson were both very personable."
  104. # [16:54] <smedero> heh
  105. # [16:54] <smedero> that comment seems suggest that there is a reason to think otherwise though I don't understand why..
  106. # [16:55] <smedero> everyone at the meeting was very personable really
  107. # [16:55] <smedero> "However, the "un-conference" style of the meeting left a lot to be desired"
  108. # [16:55] <anne> they're both not very positive about DanC it seems
  109. # [16:55] <smedero> disagree with that pretty strongly.
  110. # [16:56] <smedero> See I thought DanC did a great job running the sessions he was involved in
  111. # [16:56] <smedero> but whatever.
  112. # [16:56] <anne> my experience was different from theirs too
  113. # [16:56] <smedero> the un-conference thing seemed really quite perfect for our group
  114. # [16:57] <Steve_f> I didn't mind the unconference
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  116. # [16:59] <Steve_f> smedero:"A bright spot was that Anne and Ian hickson were both very personable." that was written for the html4all audience who have don't have a positive view of some within the working group
  117. # [17:00] <smedero> hrm, that's fair.
  118. # [17:00] <smedero> well, interesting to read other reactions... I had a good experience myself. It was good to put a face to a name... I don't live in any of the tech hotbeds - so I rarely get to attend conferences where I would meet this crowd.
  119. # [17:01] <Steve_f> nether do I, and as I have said, it was a positve experience over all
  120. # [17:01] <smedero> Ironically I didn't meet you Steve_f :(
  121. # [17:01] <smedero> sorry about that.
  122. # [17:02] <Steve_f> no problem, i think that i know your face from the meet
  123. # [17:07] <smedero> I did feel bad for the Freedom Scientific rep because DanC kept forgetting his company's name. but... at the same rate it is not like Freedom Scientific is active in the HTML WG.
  124. # [17:07] <smedero> we've had this discussion before... I'm sure they are quite busy and overworked.
  125. # [17:09] <anne> he was an IBM rep btw
  126. # [17:09] <smedero> ahh, ok.
  127. # [17:09] <Lachy> cool, I didn't realise there was a freedom scientific rep there.
  128. # [17:09] <anne> there wasn't
  129. # [17:10] <smedero> I thought he was because he said like "We have 80% of the AT market"
  130. # [17:10] <Lachy> ha? But smedero just said there was.
  131. # [17:10] <smedero> I was confused, sorry Lachy.
  132. # [17:10] <Lachy> ok
  133. # [17:11] <smedero> sadly that session was only sorta-scribed... we were pressed for scribes on the last day.
  134. # [17:11] <Steve_f> josh did take good notes that he passed on to mike smith
  135. # [17:11] <smedero> ahh, good.
  136. # [17:12] <smedero> Yeah I remember someone was trying to do it offline - having troubles getting into the IRC channel on his machine.
  137. # [17:12] <anne> oh yeah, for those who don't know yet, Michael(tm) Smith is our new staff contact
  138. # [17:12] <smedero> an announcement went out to the list I think...
  139. # [17:12] <Steve_f> what does staff contact mean exactly?
  140. # [17:13] <smedero> he's actually our
  141. # [17:13] <smedero> "technical contact"
  142. # [17:13] <smedero> and from my conversations with him I gather he makes things like issue tracking, wikis, etc run smoothly for us.
  143. # [17:14] <smedero> test case hosting, SVN repos...
  144. # [17:14] <Steve_f> thnks
  145. # [17:14] <anne> that sounds a lot like staff contact :)
  146. # [17:14] <anne> though maybe the W3C renamed the position
  147. # [17:14] <smedero> i'm just citing the email Karl sent out
  148. # [17:14] <Lachy> hmm. Josh's post is somewhat depressing
  149. # [17:15] <anne> smedero, fair enough
  150. # [17:15] <smedero> Mike's really in tune to the mobile platforms though, he's a very cool guy.
  151. # [17:16] <anne> yeah, we were colleagues at some point
  152. # [17:17] <smedero> yeah he mentioned he was at Opera for a bit.
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  176. # [19:27] <aaronlev> was an official decision reached on aria- in html?
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  181. # [19:37] <aaronlev> DanC: yt?
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  198. # [20:47] <Philip> http://code.google.com/android/reference/android/webkit/package-summary.html - looks like Android is using WebKit
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  203. # [20:53] <gsnedders> what really is there on the handhold front, though? WebKit and Presto?
  204. # [20:56] <smedero> Yeah... there are some gecko implementations but nothing large scale comes to mind.
  205. # [20:56] <smedero> Philip, WebKit was announced as the browser last week as well...
  206. # [20:56] <smedero> it was in the press coverage
  207. # [20:57] <smedero> "And Miner said that Android's Web browser is built on the same open-source WebKit software as the Safari browser in Mac OS X and the iPhone. ("Next week, we'll be releasing all of the improvements we've made to WebKit," Miner said--meaning that if Apple incorporates these revisions into Safari, the next iPhone could itself be a bit of a Google phone.)"
  208. # [20:57] <smedero> http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fasterforward/2007/11/analyzing_googles_android_1.html
  209. # [20:58] <smedero> first person to download the SDK and figure out what the user agent string is gets... i dunno, a whole lot hits on their blog?
  210. # [20:58] <Philip> smedero: Ah, I hadn't seen that before
  211. # [20:59] <Philip> (I think it wasn't mentioned in the official press release, but presumably because it was uninteresting and not because it was secret)
  212. # [21:00] <gsnedders> re: Message-ID: <47389E07.1000302@Rhul.Ac.Uk>, what's the best way to phrase a question to any-old-person? Something like, "What's the importance of using a POST request not a GET request in HTTP?"
  213. # [21:02] <beowulf> one of the differences between a diesel engine and a petrol engine is the fuel, so normal people must understand at least some of the differences
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  215. # [21:02] <beowulf> meh
  216. # [21:03] * tH thinks filling stations are bad UI
  217. # [21:07] <Philip> smedero: Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 0.5; en) AppleWebKit/522+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/419.3
  218. # [21:07] <Philip> Oops, too late
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  229. # [22:22] <gsnedders> any news on what is happening with FPWD?
  230. # [22:23] <anne> DanC will discuss it first with those (maybe a subset) that did not respond to the survey
  231. # [22:24] <gsnedders> how? public-html-wg-announce?
  232. # [22:24] <anne> by phone iirc
  233. # [22:31] <aaronlev> anne: was an official decision reached on aria- ?
  234. # [22:33] <aaronlev> for html?
  235. # [22:35] <anne> the HTML WG doesn't do such things during F2F meetings
  236. # [22:35] <anne> I believe nobody is against it though
  237. # [22:35] <anne> (that became clear during the meeting)
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  244. # [23:09] * jgraham reads Josh + Steve's reactions to the f2f
  245. # [23:10] <jgraham> I hope I didn't appear unfriendly at all
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  247. # [23:30] <gsnedders> jgraham: you did! without question!
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