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  1. # Session Start: Mon Dec 10 00:00:00 2007
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  5. # [00:09] <anne> http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/07/12/09/2045200.shtml
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  27. # [04:02] <mjs> I think Nokia's point was that you can't assume a video codec is really RF-licensable without having the existing large-scale codec patent holders participating in the standards process
  28. # [04:03] <mjs> and that they would rather do that in forums like ISO and ITU
  29. # [04:03] <mjs> they did mention encouraging ISO to develop a royalty-free codec
  30. # [04:06] <mjs> and also mentioned that H.261 might be nearly the same quality as Theora, but patents are expired
  31. # [04:07] <mjs> which seems like some constructive suggestions to me
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  57. # [12:01] <anne> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html/browse_thread/thread/af49fd5b72e83459#d9411f6fcfd1dbb6
  58. # [12:02] <anne> 'One thing to say: Wow! I did not hear such reasonable and adequate talk from W3C since 1997/8 at least. Either it is a local revolution
  59. # [12:02] <anne> in the organization or Sir Tim finally made shut up the most deviant hardcore "theoretics" so trying to save the rest of W3C influence.'
  60. # [12:02] <anne> that's nice feedback :)
  61. # [12:11] <hsivonen> that reminds me that someone should adjust the wiki truth over at wikipedia to say that we have a FPWD
  62. # [12:17] <hsivonen> truthiness adjusted
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  65. # [12:27] <mjs> hsivonen: we do?
  66. # [12:28] <mjs> oh, of the design principles
  67. # [12:29] <mjs> hsivonen: saying "The Working Group has published HTML Design Principles as its first First Public Working Draft" is a little odd
  68. # [12:29] <mjs> it sounds like it treats the working group as the scope of First-ness, when the right scope is the document
  69. # [12:30] <mjs> so "as a First Public Working Draft" would be ok
  70. # [12:30] <hsivonen> mjs: ok
  71. # [12:30] <hsivonen> mjs: from within the group, the firstness scoped to the group has been a big deal, though. anyway, I'll fix
  72. # [12:31] <mjs> hsivonen: oh, I missed that you said first twice
  73. # [12:31] <mjs> hsivonen: I guess it is ok, although it confused me
  74. # [12:31] <mjs> ("first First")
  75. # [12:34] <hsivonen> fixed
  76. # [12:36] <hsivonen> item for today: prototyping ARIA validation in RELAX NG
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  80. # [13:36] <hsivonen> aargh. the embed element is not nice when it comes to adding common attributes...
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  82. # [14:33] <Lionheart> Geh, exam day already? GTG
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  92. # [15:46] <hsivonen> btw, the Apple video workshop position paper mentions the idea of using media queries for <video> <source> selection
  93. # [15:46] <hsivonen> has that idea been recorded on either the whatwg list or public-html?
  94. # [15:47] <hsivonen> it seems like something that should be dealt with to the point of having a forward compat story before the first <video> impls ships.
  95. # [15:47] <anne> yes
  96. # [15:48] <hsivonen> anne: yes as has been recorded or should be dealt with?
  97. # [15:48] <anne> recorded
  98. # [15:48] <anne> doesn't <source> also mention media="" already?
  99. # [15:48] * hsivonen looks
  100. # [15:48] <anne> it does
  101. # [15:49] <hsivonen> oh
  102. # [15:50] <hsivonen> then it follows that it's up to the CSS WG to say something about using media queries to query things that are privacy-sensitive
  103. # [15:50] <hsivonen> i.e. user capabilities
  104. # [15:51] <hsivonen> although they already query stuff like aural and tactile media
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  122. # [19:39] <DanC> "prototyping ARIA validation in RELAX NG". ah. good, hsivonen . at the rate I'm going, it's a good thing you're going to get http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/11 done before I do
  123. # [19:39] <DanC> " Apple video workshop position paper" ... reminds me of http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/31 ...
  124. # [19:40] <anne> he's not going, but someone else from Apple will, iirc
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  126. # [19:43] <DanC> the question is whether the apple paper subsumes what Singer wrote (perhaps by citing it...)
  127. # [19:43] <DanC> phpht. PDF
  128. # [19:43] <DanC> http://www.w3.org/2007/08/video/papers.html Standardized multimedia elements in HTML5, Kevin Calhoun, Eric Carlson, Adele Peterson, Antti Koivisto (Apple).
  129. # [19:44] <DanC> I don't see anything about codecs in there
  130. # [19:45] <anne> "This paper does not discuss the nature of the audio/video coding or its container format.
  131. # [19:45] <anne> We agree that standardizing some format(s) is desirable for interoperability. However, the problems and issues raised by that question are not the subject of this paper, but are being handled, we believe, by the W3C staff."
  132. # [19:47] <DanC> er... MikeSmith where did ACTION-39 come from? when did I accept that? grumble... tracker's audit trails still need work
  133. # [19:49] <ChrisWilson> I think I put it on you, Dan. :)
  134. # [19:49] <ChrisWilson> afk
  135. # [19:49] <DanC> you can't assign actions to people who aren't there.
  136. # [19:50] <smedero> hrm, that's weird
  137. # [19:50] <DanC> i.e. an action is a record that somebody _agreed_ to do something.
  138. # [19:50] <smedero> the issue changelog says who did what
  139. # [19:50] <ChrisWilson> another failing of tracker. :)
  140. # [19:50] <smedero> but the action one doesn't
  141. # [19:51] * DanC re-assigns it to ChrisW until it's more clear what's going on
  142. # [19:52] <DanC> is it a dup of ACTION-31?
  143. # [19:52] <smedero> I can email Systems and ask them if that feature is on their radar.
  144. # [19:52] <DanC> pls do; copy me, smedero
  145. # [19:52] <smedero> (i've done that before and Dom got back to me very quickly...)
  146. # [19:52] <DanC> yes, Dom rocks
  147. # [19:53] <DanC> finally found Singer's msg... http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Nov/0153.html
  148. # [19:55] * DanC updates ACTION-31... wonders about due date... which reminds me...
  149. # [19:55] <DanC> when is our next telcon?
  150. # [19:56] <DanC> ChrisWilson, I don't see any specifics about next meeting in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/07-html-wg-minutes.html
  151. # [19:57] <DanC> 13 Dec I'll be at the video workshop... 1pm Boston is 9am SJC. If it were 7:30 or something, I could maybe chair from a hotel, but I don't think I should duck out of the workshop
  152. # [19:57] <DanC> does anybody have any agenda requests that shouldn't wait for a week? Can I cancel the 13 Dec meeting?
  153. # [19:58] <anne> wfm
  154. # [19:58] * anne can't attend anyway
  155. # [19:59] * DanC changes topic to 'next HTML WG meeting (1p Boston time Thu, 13 Dec) at risk; any critical agenda? http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda (logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/ ) '
  156. # [20:00] <DanC> Lachy, pls update due date of ACTION-34; when do you estimate the WG should talk about it next?
  157. # [20:00] * anne wonders if anyone besides the TAG is potentially confused by using "resources" instead of "representations of resources"
  158. # [20:00] * DanC doesn't see GR around re ACTION-24
  159. # [20:01] <DanC> where, anne?
  160. # [20:01] * anne is personally confused by the latter
  161. # [20:01] <anne> that was a review comment of one of the TAG members on access-control
  162. # [20:02] <DanC> oh
  163. # [20:02] * DanC doesn't feel strongly about it just now
  164. # [20:02] * DanC isn't even swapped in on that
  165. # [20:04] * DanC asks my.t-mobile.com for this week's calendar; response is rediculously slow
  166. # [20:04] <DanC> "The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading."
  167. # [20:05] * DanC is tempted to hack on http://homer.w3.org/~connolly/projects/palmagent/ to the point where my.t-mobile.com is out of the loop
  168. # [20:25] <Lachy> DanC, ok. It'll probably be a couple of weeks at least
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  171. # [20:35] <anne> so was end of next week the agreed upon deadline?
  172. # [20:37] <anne> it is
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  174. # [20:49] <mjs> hello all
  175. # [20:49] <anne> hi
  176. # [20:51] <smedero> mjs: sorry for misattributing a quote to you on that ALA article. :( that wasn't my intention at all.
  177. # [20:51] <mjs> smedero: no prob, I think my correction was sufficient
  178. # [20:51] <smedero> I've been in Seattle for a bit apartment hunting, so I haven't been around to properly send my regrets on that.
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  215. # [23:55] <kingryan> DanC: are you around?
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