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  1. # Session Start: Sun Dec 30 00:00:00 2007
  2. # Session Ident: #html-wg
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  35. # [13:53] <anne> http://www.colly.com/comments/the-saga-of-the-interwebs/
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  41. # [14:36] <hsivonen> can anyone think of a single-word UI label for a field that takes a space-separated list of namespace URIs for namespaces that will be filtered out between the XML parser and the validation engine?
  42. # [14:48] <anne> Ignore Namespaces
  43. # [14:48] <anne> but that's a double
  44. # [14:49] <anne> (it seems way too advanced for the default UI btw)
  45. # [14:50] <anne> hsivonen, btw, re: #whatwg, how can it parse beyond the point of error?
  46. # [15:08] <hsivonen> anne: how do you mean?
  47. # [15:08] <hsivonen> anne: do you mean that Show Source isn't cut exactly at the fatal error?
  48. # [15:09] <hsivonen> Show Source shows source until the end of the last parser buffer refill that occurred before the fatal error was encountered parsing that buffer
  49. # [15:10] <hsivonen> it would be elegant to exhaust the input stream and show the full source even when the parser throws, but diminishing marginal utility, opportunity cost and all that
  50. # [15:12] <hsivonen> anne: it's probably impossible to come up with a single-word label
  51. # [15:19] <anne> ah ok, so "show source" isn't a serialized parse stream, it's an annotated input stream?
  52. # [15:20] <hsivonen> anne: yes. There's a wiretap in both parsers at the point where the parsers fill their internal UTF-16 buffer
  53. # [15:22] <hsivonen> anne: there's another wiretap immediately after the parsers for recording the source location for each parse event
  54. # [15:22] <hsivonen> so that the source stream can be segmented into parse event-sized slices even when each parse event doesn't fire an error
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  68. # [19:32] <anne-mac> hmm, finding the SVG definition for <style> is tricky
  69. # [19:32] <anne-mac> well, one that matches the current intent of the WG
  70. # [19:37] <anne-mac> <svg contentStyleType> seems to only affect style= attributes
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  72. # [19:47] <anne-mac> at least Opera and Safari ignore contentStyleType
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  74. # [19:49] <gsnedders> Does that mean I can be in a <style> too? Yay!
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  76. # [19:52] <anne-mac> not sure what you mean
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  79. # [19:54] <gsnedders> well, if <style> doesn't have it's contentType checked, then I'm a valid contentType!
  80. # [19:55] <anne-mac> I believe for <style> browsers do adhere to it
  81. # [19:55] <anne-mac> well, some set of browsers, Opera doesn't
  82. # [19:55] <anne-mac> I really don't like that this is based on MIME types which can have parameters and all
  83. # [19:55] <anne-mac> it should just be a set of known values, checked against in a case-insensitive way
  84. # [19:55] <gsnedders> human/gsnedders is valid?
  85. # [19:56] <anne-mac> no
  86. # [19:56] <anne-mac> human is not a valid primary type (or whatever it's called)
  87. # [19:57] * gsnedders wonders if he can be an application (that follows the human spec)
  88. # [19:57] <anne-mac> application/annevk+human
  89. # [19:58] <anne-mac> contrary to +xml, here it might actually be useful...
  90. # [19:58] <gsnedders> not application/annevk+robot then? :P
  91. # [20:04] <anne-mac> what is a decent text editor for the Mac?
  92. # [20:04] <anne-mac> TextEdit sucks rocks
  93. # [20:04] <gsnedders> I use SubEthaEdit and nano myself
  94. # [20:06] <anne-mac> hmm, nano looks rather ancient
  95. # [20:06] <gsnedders> :P
  96. # [20:06] <gsnedders> I've always preferred simplicity within CLIs
  97. # [20:06] <anne-mac> CLI?
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  99. # [20:07] <gsnedders> command line interface
  100. # [20:07] <anne-mac> just thought of that
  101. # [20:07] <anne-mac> the other one works, so far
  102. # [20:08] <anne-mac> can i somewhere say that it should never ever hide extensions?
  103. # [20:09] <gsnedders> Finder prefs, off the top of my head
  104. # [20:09] <anne-mac> thanks
  105. # [20:09] * anne-mac tried finding it where Windows hides it
  106. # [20:10] <anne-mac> and while you're here, how do I switch between app windows again?
  107. # [20:10] <anne-mac> (one app, multiple windows)
  108. # [20:12] <gsnedders> in what? Exposé? or without?
  109. # [20:13] <gsnedders> without I don't think there is a consistent way, with is F10 by default (see sys-prefs -> exposé)
  110. # [20:13] <anne-mac> without expose
  111. # [20:13] <anne-mac> like cmd+tab
  112. # [20:14] <anne-mac> what cmd+tab does for apps*
  113. # [20:14] * gsnedders doesn't think there is a consistent one
  114. # [20:24] <anne-mac> I think for <svg:style type> the browser should do case-insensitive match for text/css and that's it, no special treatment for whitespace, parameters, they all result in not applying the style sheet
  115. # [20:24] <anne-mac> i think we can do the same for HTML
  116. # [20:26] <anne-mac> hmm, <svg:style type=""> get applied in WebKit, I guess that's ok
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  119. # [20:42] <anne-mac> <svg:script> is more annoying
  120. # [20:43] <anne-mac> way more values, text/ecmascript, text/javascript, text/javascript1.0, etc.
  121. # [20:43] <anne-mac> also, parameters probably need to be processed in some way
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  123. # [20:49] <anne-mac> seems that we process type= in some way
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  132. # [22:41] <Philip> hsivonen: http://about.validator.nu/ says "cheracter" somewhere
  133. # [22:42] <Philip> and then says "but only it if the DTD is processed"
  134. # [22:57] <Philip> http://www.google.com/search?q=inurl%3A%26 - hmm, looks like Google messes up its highlighting of search terms in URLs
  135. # [22:57] <anne-mac> btw, re validating error pages
  136. # [22:57] <anne-mac> I'm not sure that should be done
  137. # [22:58] <Philip> ("maps.live.com/default.aspx?wip=2<b>&</b>amp;v=2..." etc)
  138. # [22:58] <anne-mac> you should be able to validate error page itself which will return a 200 if everything is done sort of normal...
  139. # [22:58] <anne-mac> (although maybe for dynamically generated error pages you still want to be able to validate them)
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  141. # [23:52] <inimino> anne-mac: it's cmd+` just up one key from Tab
  142. # [23:54] * Philip 's ` key is nowhere near Tab
  143. # [23:54] <anne-mac> same issue here
  144. # [23:54] <Philip> (It's just left of z)
  145. # [23:54] <anne-mac> but that indeed works
  146. # [23:54] <anne-mac> cool
  147. # [23:55] <Hixie> silly dvorak users
  148. # [23:55] * Philip still doesn't know why the European keyboard layout is so broken
  149. # [23:55] <Hixie> wait, you're not using dvorak?
  150. # [23:55] <Hixie> and your ` is next to z?
  151. # [23:55] <Philip> No, that'd be crazy :-)
  152. # [23:55] <anne-mac> actually, it's qwerty with probably a European layout
  153. # [23:55] <Philip> Yes
  154. # [23:55] <Hixie> silly europeans
  155. # [23:55] * anne-mac wonders how Hixie defines Europeans :p
  156. # [23:55] <gsnedders> silly non-europeans not following whatever ISO it is
  157. # [23:55] * Hixie should point out is a european dvorak user
  158. # [23:55] <Philip> Normal UK keyboards are sensible, but the Apple ones aren't :-(
  159. # [23:56] <Hixie> s/is/he's/
  160. # [23:56] <gsnedders> Philip: the only diff is " and @ are the other way around
  161. # [23:56] <Philip> (Then again, I'm defining "sensible" to mean "like the UK keyboards that I've got used to")
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  163. # [23:58] <Philip> gsnedders: | and \ and ` and ~ and ± and § are also different between UK Macbook Pro and normal
  164. # [23:58] <gsnedders> ah yeah, that's true.
  165. # [23:58] <Philip> and ¬
  166. # [23:59] <Hixie> i actually always try to get the US layout
  167. # [23:59] <Hixie> regardless of where i am
  168. # [23:59] <Philip> and €
  169. # [23:59] <Philip> and #
  170. # [23:59] <Hixie> purely so that i don't have to deal with this crap
  171. # [23:59] <gsnedders> I always forget about those. But there again, I only use most of those keys for their POSIX meanings, and most of the time I'm on a normal UK keyboard is at school on Windows :P
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