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  1. # Session Start: Tue Jan 15 00:00:00 2008
  2. # Session Ident: #html-wg
  3. # [00:00] <Hixie> i've tried to address the comments that were put in the survey, btw
  4. # [00:00] <Hixie> at least those that were addressable
  5. # [00:02] <Lachy> Hixie, what was the reason for only putting the subtitle in the W3C version?
  6. # [00:02] <Hixie> specifically, i tried to address the comments from Kornel, Navarr, Jason, Bob, and Samuel
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  10. # [00:16] * jgraham notes that having the subtitle in the W3C version means that the WHATWG version is not a strict superset of the W3C version
  11. # [00:17] <Dashiva> It's not normative :)
  12. # [00:17] * jgraham notes the previous note was not supposed to be construed as a serious complaint :)
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  42. # [05:46] * Topic is 'HTML WG meets 10 Jan 17:00UTC; expects to publish HTML 5 spec 22 Jan http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda (logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/ ) '
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  85. # [14:46] <Lachy> so dean is now suggesting, based on his reading of Anne's blog, that the criteria for including a test in Acid3 is that there is a spec with a name that *mentions the feature in the title*
  86. # [14:48] <Lachy> I honestly have no idea how any rational person could place so much emphasis on the title of the spec, so as to to believe changing it somehow alters what the spec actually defines
  87. # [14:52] <Lachy> maybe I should tell Dean that "HTML" has always been the name of the vocabulary, even in previous versions, as the serialisation was technically SGML.
  88. # [14:54] <hsivonen> actually, titling the spec (X)HTML5 wouldn't be a bad idea if the WG hadn't already voted on the title
  89. # [14:55] <hsivonen> if we reopen titling, a lot of bikeshedding might ensue
  90. # [15:01] <Lachy> it's already a lot of bikeshedding.
  91. # [15:02] <Dashiva> I suppose it's a good thing if Dean's biggest concern is something as trivial as the name. It must mean the rest of the spec is solid :)
  92. # [15:05] <hsivonen> can an element have different .id and .name DOM properties in IE?
  93. # [15:07] <Lachy> test it.
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  95. # [15:08] <hsivonen> Lachy: I can't.
  96. # [15:10] <Lachy> ok, I can.
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  99. # [15:13] <Lachy> tested in IE7: <a id="foo" name="bar">, a.id returned foo, a.name returned bar
  100. # [15:17] <hsivonen> Lachy: great. thanks
  101. # [15:17] <dedridge> Dashiva: Hi, no It's not that I think the rest of the spec is solid. It means that I feel the name issue needs to dealt with first
  102. # [15:17] <anne> dedridge, hey, Acid3 already tests XHTML support ;)
  103. # [15:18] <anne> I don't think it will be much of a problem for Acid5 to test XHTML5 as the name of the specification is not that relevant, it's about the features the specification defines
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  105. # [15:18] <anne> otherwise we couldn't test client-side SQL support either, for instance
  106. # [15:19] <anne> which doesn't make sense
  107. # [15:19] <dedridge> Dashiva: It also means that I have a certain amount of confidence in you guys that are working on the other areas :) And I appreciate your hard work :)
  108. # [15:20] * Dashiva looks for the monitoring cameras
  109. # [15:21] <dedridge> anne: acid3 features XHTML, good
  110. # [15:21] <hsivonen> does anyone know if current AT can deal with a <select> as the label for another field?
  111. # [15:22] * hsivonen considers turning the "Document" label into a menu for Document URI, File Upload and Direct Input
  112. # [15:25] <hsivonen> does for='' override association by containment?
  113. # [15:25] <zcorpan> yes
  114. # [15:27] <hsivonen> thanks
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  152. # [18:59] <Lachy> IBM voted yes. I think that takes us to 18
  153. # [19:00] <Lachy> and we got another no vote
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  174. # [20:55] <zcorpan> hmm. hovering links on the html wg homepage makes them unreadable
  175. # [20:55] <zcorpan> DanC: ^
  176. # [20:55] <anne> prolly better to ping MikeSmith
  177. # [20:56] <DanC> I might be able to reproduce the problem, but my CSS-fu is prolly too weak to fix
  178. # [20:56] <DanC> ah. blue on blue. blech.
  179. # [20:56] <DanC> yeah, I think MikeSmith chose those colors
  180. # [20:57] <zcorpan> move the a:active, a:hover ruleset down a few lines
  181. # [20:57] <zcorpan> or say !important in the color decl
  182. # [20:58] <DanC> a few lines in what file? do you know?
  183. # [20:58] <zcorpan> http://www.w3.org/html/css/screen.css
  184. # [20:58] <DanC> screen.css,v 1.65 2007/12/31 07:07:50 kdubost
  185. # [20:59] <DanC> hmm... not mikesmith after all? I'm confused
  186. # [20:59] <DanC> kdubost's comment is "removing important it creates bad interaction with others"
  187. # [21:00] <DanC> so I'm not confident about fiddling with it
  188. # [21:00] <anne> hmm, I was called from +57 which is apparently Colombia
  189. # [21:00] <anne> weird
  190. # [21:00] <zcorpan> ok, then move the ruleset to that it appears after the :link and :visited :)
  191. # [21:01] <zcorpan> or prepend change the selector to body a:active, body a:hover to bump up the specificity...
  192. # [21:01] <zcorpan> s/prepend //
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  219. # [23:33] <anne> review welcome on http://annevankesteren.nl/temp/access-control-faq and http://annevankesteren.nl/temp/access-control-use-cases
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  221. # [23:36] <jgraham_> anne: re why are cookies sent in the faq, put the use cases first (and perhaps more detailed examples) and address the security concern second
  222. # [23:38] <Lachy> anne, the black/whitelisting answer is so confusing. I still can't figure out what it's trying to say
  223. # [23:38] <anne> jgraham_, thanks, done
  224. # [23:38] <Lachy> explain what the "server administration" and "document administration" are, and come up with less confusing terms
  225. # [23:39] <jgraham_> Lachy: I think it means the sysadmin might not be the same person as the document author
  226. # [23:39] <jgraham_> And either needs to be able to override the other
  227. # [23:39] <anne> Lachy, fixed
  228. # [23:40] <Lachy> ok, now it makes sense
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  231. # [23:43] <Lachy> much better. perhaps you should include some examples and questions about how to use it, not just about why it does some things.
  232. # [23:44] <anne> it's not a tutorial
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  234. # [23:45] <anne> it's about satisfying some set of people that don't get stuff so we can move on
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  236. # [23:45] <anne> (thanks for the feedback though, keep it coming :) )
  237. # [23:46] <Lachy> oh, ok
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