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  11. # [01:25] <zcorpan> "HTML 4.0 Recommendation published and announced. Developed under the code name Cougar, ..." -- http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/history
  12. # [01:25] <zcorpan> hmm, do we have a code name for html5?
  13. # [01:25] <Philip> "Web Applications 1.0"
  14. # [01:26] <zcorpan> doesn't sound like a code name
  15. # [01:26] <Philip> OS X has nicked all the good big cat names, so we can't use them
  16. # [01:26] <Hixie> "html5" _was_ the code name
  17. # [01:26] <anne> indeed it was, good times
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  19. # [01:27] <anne> (though to be honest I always hoped it would one day become official)
  20. # [01:27] <zcorpan> "HTML 5, developed under the code name HTML5, ..."
  21. # [01:29] <zcorpan> Philip: has OS X used "Astrophy"?
  22. # [01:30] <anne> it seems a bit late for a codename now
  23. # [01:31] <zcorpan> indeed
  24. # [01:31] <Philip> zcorpan: Uh, not to my knowledge
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  26. # [01:32] <Philip> I'm not sure it counts as a big cat, except for probably being a cat and potentially being big
  27. # [01:37] <mjs> code names are fun
  28. # [01:37] <mjs> how about "QuickSilver"
  29. # [01:38] <mjs> to give proper credit to Flash and Silverlight for providing inspiration
  30. # [01:38] <Philip> I'm not sure how HTML5 could have been inspired by Silverlight
  31. # [01:39] <Philip> Call it "Gordon", to give proper credit to just Flash
  32. # [01:39] <anne> please not Gordon
  33. # [01:46] <mjs> "Gordon" is not a very sexy code name
  34. # [01:47] <Philip> It's better than "Nigel"
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  86. # [13:15] <MikeSmith> http://norman.walsh.name/2008/01/22/html5
  87. # [13:16] <MikeSmith> I wanted to post comment, but looks like Norm has turned off commenting on his blog...
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  90. # [14:22] <myakura> http://gigazine.net/index.php?/news/comments/20080123_html5_differences_from_html4/
  91. # [14:22] <myakura> oops. wrong channel
  92. # [14:23] <myakura> no, not that wrong (though that's written in japanese
  93. # [14:24] <Lachy> myakura, does it say anything important?
  94. # [14:24] <Lachy> any useful feedback in it?
  95. # [14:25] <myakura> ah, no :) that's just like listing webpages about html5
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  109. # [16:13] <MikeSmith> I wish now that the "Pave the Cowpaths" design principle didn't just refer to authors
  110. # [16:14] <MikeSmith> but also mention implementors
  111. # [16:14] <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/TR/html-design-principles/#pave-the-cowpaths
  112. # [16:14] <MikeSmith> "When existing mechanism is already in use across multiple implementations, consider adopting it rather than forbidding it or inventing something new."
  113. # [16:15] <MikeSmith> s/When existing mechanism/When an existing mechanism/
  114. # [16:15] <zcorpan> i guess that's implied, otherwise authors wouldn't be using it
  115. # [16:16] <zcorpan> if implementations support something but no-one uses it, why should we consider adding it?
  116. # [16:16] <MikeSmith> zcorpan - I was thinking about it in terms of the doctype-switching mechanism that's in use in current browsers.
  117. # [16:17] <MikeSmith> and that HTML5 now defines in a standard way
  118. # [16:18] <MikeSmith> it's more something for implementors to be conformant with (for interoperability) than for authors to "adopt"
  119. # [16:18] <MikeSmith> or I mean that authors "use"
  120. # [16:20] <zcorpan> yeah, but authors are relying on doctype switching being in place
  121. # [16:20] <zcorpan> so they are actually using it
  122. # [16:21] <zcorpan> but i think that's more about support existing content
  123. # [16:22] <MikeSmith> yeah, maybe so
  124. # [16:22] <MikeSmith> anyway, the reason I mention it is that I'm writing up a blog entry that contrasts the HTML5 doctype-switching spec with the IE8 version-targeting proposal
  125. # [16:23] <MikeSmith> and that points out that the HTML5 doctype-switching spec is an attempt to document existing practices
  126. # [16:24] <MikeSmith> in a way that is meant to make the behavior interoperable across browsers
  127. # [16:24] <MikeSmith> while the IE8 proposal is a radical departure from existing practices
  128. # [16:24] <MikeSmith> that targets one specific browser, and specific versions of that browser
  129. # [16:26] <zcorpan> quirks mode in ie has more or less always been a frozen ie5.5, though
  130. # [16:27] <zcorpan> or perhaps they added new features to ie6's quirks mode -- i'm not sure about that
  131. # [16:30] <Philip> The IE8 proposal seems to be still using doctype switching, but adding a finer-grained method for switching without having to use a new doctype because the W3C isn't inventing new doctypes fast enough
  132. # [16:31] <Philip> (and seems to be extending doctype switching so future doctypes switch into IE8-bug-compatibility mode)
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  134. # [16:34] <anne> is it certain that <datagrid> covers tree widgets?
  135. # [16:34] <anne> it's still not really clear to me
  136. # [16:34] <Philip> (If they said anything containing "DTD HTML 4.0" and "DTD XHTML 1.0" was treated as IE7-bug-compatibility mode, then almost all existing standards-mode content would be preserved, and it wouldn't conflict with future HTML versions)
  137. # [16:35] <Philip> (Er, I mean "anything containing [those strings] which is currently interpreted as standards-mode")
  138. # [16:43] <hsivonen> anne: for some values of "cover" at least
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  146. # [17:43] <anne> ok, thanks
  147. # [17:52] <DanC> so... weekly agenda prep time...
  148. # [17:52] * DanC wonders about MikeSmith estimated-time-to-sleep
  149. # [17:53] <DanC> I skipped the Hypertext CG meeting last week; that's when I usually review the WG homepage
  150. # [17:53] <DanC> action-7?
  151. # [17:53] * trackbot-ng getting information on ACTION-7
  152. # [17:53] <trackbot-ng> ACTION-7 -- Michael(tm) Smith to move Planet HTML5 off of people.w3.org and onto www.w3.org -- due 2008-01-10 -- OPEN
  153. # [17:53] <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/7
  154. # [17:54] <DanC> seems done...
  155. # [17:54] <DanC> date: 2007/12/06 05:53:16; author: mike; state: Exp; lines: +2 -2
  156. # [17:54] <DanC> corrected Planet HTML5 link
  157. # [17:56] <DanC> action-7?
  158. # [17:56] * trackbot-ng getting information on ACTION-7
  159. # [17:56] <trackbot-ng> ACTION-7 -- Michael(tm) Smith to move Planet HTML5 off of people.w3.org and onto www.w3.org -- due 2008-01-10 -- CLOSED
  160. # [17:56] <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/7
  161. # [17:57] <MikeSmith> DanC - here now
  162. # [17:57] <MikeSmith> I apologize for not following up with those action items, despite repeated reminders
  163. # [18:01] <DanC> well, I haven't found one that you didn't do yet
  164. # [18:01] <DanC> so there's still time ;-)
  165. # [18:02] <MikeSmith> anne - is Opera planning to implement <datagrid>?
  166. # [18:02] <MikeSmith> is anybody on record yet as saying they want to?
  167. # [18:03] <MikeSmith> personally, I think it would be great thing to have
  168. # [18:03] <MikeSmith> but I can recognize that it would be costly to implement
  169. # [18:05] <anne> no plans
  170. # [18:06] <DanC> MikeSmith, are Karl and Olivier around? I'd like to sync up with them about "story telling and test cases"
  171. # [18:06] <DanC> e.g. for datagrid
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  175. # [18:10] <MikeSmith> DanC - they are around, but it's 2am here, so I reckon they are either sleeping or doing something more fun than hanging out on IRC like me
  176. # [18:10] <DanC> by "around" I meant "around for HTML WG business" so I guess not
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  178. # [18:12] * DanC changes topic to 'HTML 5 is published http://www.w3.org/News/2008#item8 ; preparing for telecon Thu 24 Jan 17:00Z http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda (logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/ ) '
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  180. # [18:15] <DanC> action-32?
  181. # [18:15] * trackbot-ng getting information on ACTION-32
  182. # [18:15] <trackbot-ng> ACTION-32 -- Michael(tm) Smith to change the product name of "HTML 5 authoring guidelines" in the tracker to something else, eventually -- due 2008-01-15 -- OPEN
  183. # [18:15] <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/32
  184. # [18:15] <DanC> how about sending a sysreq on that now, MikeSmith ?
  185. # [18:15] <MikeSmith> OK
  186. # [18:16] <DanC> copy me, please
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  188. # [18:16] <DanC> these other actions on the WG website... I'll move them back a couple weeks unless you say otherwise. http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/products/6
  189. # [18:17] <DanC> hmm... actually, they're kinda timely in the wake of publication... so I'll make them due tomorrow unless I hear more...
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  191. # [18:17] <DanC> action-37?
  192. # [18:17] * trackbot-ng getting information on ACTION-37
  193. # [18:17] <trackbot-ng> ACTION-37 -- Michael(tm) Smith to announce Planet HTML5 on public-html-announce, http://www.w3.org/html/, wherever else appropriate -- due 2008-01-24 -- OPEN
  194. # [18:17] <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/37
  195. # [18:18] <DanC> action-40?
  196. # [18:18] * trackbot-ng getting information on ACTION-40
  197. # [18:18] <trackbot-ng> ACTION-40 -- Michael(tm) Smith to add links on HTML WG home page to mechanism for watching changes to the HTML5 spec -- due 2008-01-24 -- OPEN
  198. # [18:18] <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/40
  199. # [18:18] <MikeSmith> DanC - OK by me to make them due tomorrow
  200. # [18:19] <MikeSmith> I'm trying to remember what names we discussed as alternatives to "authoring guidelines"
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  202. # [18:19] <DanC> I don't remember any
  203. # [18:19] <MikeSmith> hsivonen - suggestions? I remember you pointed out that "guidelines" was problematic
  204. # [18:21] <MikeSmith> DanC - "documentation for authors"?
  205. # [18:22] <Philip> "Authoring guide"?
  206. # [18:23] <MikeSmith> Philip - sounds good to me
  207. # [18:23] * MikeSmith sends sysreq
  208. # [18:23] * Philip thinks there should be an HTML 5 Primer and an HTML 5 Gloss Finish
  209. # [18:24] <anne> HTML 5 Gossip?
  210. # [18:25] <MikeSmith> HTML Candy Apple Red
  211. # [18:27] <MikeSmith> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-issue-tracking/2008Jan/0000.html
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  213. # [18:34] <DanC> hmm... I wonder about comment handling process. James Graham wasn't very clear about whether he was answering for the WG in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-comments/2008Jan/0005.html
  214. # [18:35] <DanC> likewise Sneddon in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-comments/2008Jan/0006.html
  215. # [18:36] <anne> in the WAF WG we have a pretty simple process
  216. # [18:36] <anne> if a WG member replies and someone from the WG disagrees with the reply he/she has to say so
  217. # [18:36] <anne> otherwise it counts as a WG reply
  218. # [18:41] <DanC> perhaps we'll eventually get to silence-implies-consent, but we're not there yet.
  219. # [18:42] <DanC> I'd like to avoid disputes between WG members in the comments list.
  220. # [18:42] * DanC sent mail
  221. # [18:43] <DanC> ACTION: Dan to ask Olivier and Karl about progress on "story telling and test cases" since the Nov ftf http://www.w3.org/2007/11/09-html-wg-minutes.html#item01
  222. # [18:43] * trackbot-ng noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  223. # [18:43] * RRSAgent records action 1
  224. # [18:43] <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-42 - Ask Olivier and Karl about progress on \"story telling and test cases\" since the Nov ftf http://www.w3.org/2007/11/09-html-wg-minutes.html#item01 [on Dan Connolly - due 2008-01-30].
  225. # [18:44] <anne> i guess i'll just ignore public-html-comments then
  226. # [18:44] <anne> although i'd like to address some of the feedback on html5-diff without first running a poll on 500 people :(
  227. # [18:44] <DanC> it's too much trouble to add "the WG is still reviewing this part of the design, but here's my take on it"?
  228. # [18:45] <anne> i wonder how i can make changes to html5-diff as a result of their feedback without WG consent
  229. # [18:45] <DanC> are there any other plans related to test development that I can add to tracker?
  230. # [18:46] <anne> i'm also pretty sure i'll forget that disclaimer half of the time
  231. # [18:46] <DanC> I'm happy to remind you until it becomes habit. I can enlist chaals in helping with that
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  233. # [18:46] <DanC> you're free to make changes to html5-diff in anticipation of WG agreement
  234. # [18:47] <DanC> in fact, I suppose it's OK for the disclaimer to go implicit in replied from editors appointed by the chairs
  235. # [18:48] <DanC> replies
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  237. # [18:49] <DanC> hmm... maybe I should refine ISSUE-19 to be about the 1st WD of the HTML 5 spec and close it.
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  239. # [18:53] * DanC wishes for a link from http://www.w3.org/html/wg/ to the testing mailing list...
  240. # [18:54] * DanC checks for progress in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/
  241. # [18:55] <anne> there's no testsuite progress
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  243. # [19:06] <DanC> how about a test suite get-together in March around SxSW?
  244. # [19:06] <MikeSmith> ACTION-37?
  245. # [19:06] * trackbot-ng getting information on ACTION-37
  246. # [19:06] <trackbot-ng> ACTION-37 -- Michael(tm) Smith to announce Planet HTML5 on public-html-announce, http://www.w3.org/html/, wherever else appropriate -- due 2008-01-24 -- OPEN
  247. # [19:06] <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/37
  248. # [19:06] <MikeSmith> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2008JanMar/0010.html
  249. # [19:06] <MikeSmith> I will announce elsewhere later
  250. # [19:07] * DanC isn't sure whether he's going to SxSW, but hopes to confirm soon
  251. # [19:11] * MikeSmith heads back to his cave for while
  252. # [19:12] <MikeSmith> (available by e-mail if needed)
  253. # [19:12] <DanC> you're planning to attend tomorrow, yes?
  254. # [19:12] <MikeSmith> DanC - yep
  255. # [19:12] <DanC> cool. until then...
  256. # [19:12] <MikeSmith> mata ne
  257. # [19:12] * MikeSmith Mike^mail
  258. # [19:13] <DanC> ACTION: Dan to check the "welcome to the WG" mailing list subscription message to be sure "please fill out the tasks survey" is in there
  259. # [19:13] * RRSAgent records action 2
  260. # [19:13] * trackbot-ng noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  261. # [19:13] <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-43 - Check the \"welcome to the WG\" mailing list subscription message to be sure \"please fill out the tasks survey\" is in there [on Dan Connolly - due 2008-01-30].
  262. # [19:19] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: I'm OK with Lachy's current title: "The Web Developer’s Guide to HTML 5"
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  269. # [20:32] <anne> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jan/0027.html
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  272. # [20:39] <hsivonen> anne: it sure too a long time to advance from MUST to SHOULD. I think MAY would be more appropriate.
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