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  23. # [09:50] <hsivonen> hmm. the WG page hasn't been updated to reflect the FPWD
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  28. # [10:50] <anne> http://norman.walsh.name/2008/01/26/X-UA-Compatible
  29. # [10:54] * hsivonen is frustrated at the pro-BOCU-1 agrument completely ignoring the network effects of the installed base of UTF-8+gzip
  30. # [10:55] <anne> i wouldn't worry too much about it until you see patches getting into various browsers
  31. # [11:36] <mjs> hsivonen: what's BOCU-1?
  32. # [11:40] <hsivonen> mjs: BOCU-1 is a Unicode compression scheme that is designed as a MIME-text/*-compatible charset
  33. # [11:40] <hsivonen> mjs: the basic idea is to exploit the code point locality of alphabetic scripts
  34. # [11:41] <mjs> hsivonen: I see - what advantages does it have?
  35. # [11:41] <mjs> (if any?)
  36. # [11:41] <mjs> and who argues in favor?
  37. # [11:41] <hsivonen> mjs: it is more compact than uncompressed UTF-8 for text that uses a non-Latin alphabet
  38. # [11:41] <hsivonen> mjs: Brian Smith on public-html-comments
  39. # [11:42] <mjs> I didn' know there was a public-html-comments
  40. # [11:42] <mjs> how does it compare to gzip?
  41. # [11:43] <hsivonen> mjs: that part is conveniently omitted from the comparison data in the spec. I intend to find out.
  42. # [11:53] <mjs> doing compression at the text encoding layer seems like a weird idea
  43. # [12:09] <hsivonen> mjs: looks like this has already been researched and general purpose compression is better or good enough: https://www.cs.fit.edu/Projects/tech_reports/cs-2002-11.pdf
  44. # [12:10] <hsivonen> though that paper finds that bzip2 is the best
  45. # [12:10] <hsivonen> but bzip2 has undesirable perf characteristics for on-the-fly compression
  46. # [12:13] <mjs> hmm, bzip2 compresses UTF-16 quite well
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  50. # [12:32] <anne> more evidence that namespaces are complex: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008Jan/0556.html
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  53. # [14:04] <anne> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20080127
  54. # [14:17] <anne> http://xml.coverpages.org/ni2008-01-22-a.html
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