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  42. # [14:28] * molly waves from New Zealand
  43. # [14:29] * Sander waves back to molly and longs for New Zealand. (If you have the time in your itinerary, make certain not to miss Lake Tekapo on the South Island.)
  44. # [14:30] <molly> Hi Sander: Alas, not gonna make it there this time. So much to do and see in this hemisphere :D
  45. # [14:32] <Sander> Heh, true. *spent two years there and feels he needs at least another three to start having seen it all*
  46. # [14:33] <molly> And I just got done bouncing around Australia, so it's overwhelming, really, how much I want to come back and see. That was my third trip to Oz
  47. # [14:33] <molly> and it's nowhere near enough!
  48. # [14:35] <Sander> *g*
  49. # [14:35] <Sander> *catches up with your blog* Ah, I totally agree on Melbourne, too.
  50. # [14:36] <molly> what a city!
  51. # [14:36] <molly> had a blast there, great folks too, very savvy folks, heavy on the Web stuff. Visited w/ the SitePoint folks which was fun
  52. # [14:36] <molly> and a few other standards groups
  53. # [14:36] <molly> very organized
  54. # [14:37] * Sander nods. I went to a couple of wsg meetings back when I was there. Always very worthwhile.
  55. # [14:38] <Sander> and such awesome neighbourhoods surrounding the city center. Fitzroy and Carlton and Brunswick were just hopping.
  56. # [14:41] <molly> St. Kilda
  57. # [14:41] <molly> What a crazy place that was
  58. # [14:41] <molly> Fitzroy is very bohemian, loved what I saw of it
  59. # [14:50] <Sander> Where all are you planning on going in New Zealand, btw?
  60. # [14:51] <molly> I'm here in Wellington for the week for Webstock
  61. # [14:51] <molly> and then am supposed to hop over to Auckland to do two HTML/CSS talks for Microsoft New Zealand
  62. # [14:52] <molly> before going back to Australia for a few days, and then doubling back over to the US
  63. # [14:52] <molly> fortunately, someone gave me an extra pair of wings ;)
  64. # [14:52] <Sander> Ah, ok, so only the cities.
  65. # [14:52] * gsnedders waves at molly
  66. # [14:52] <Sander> heh. :)
  67. # [14:53] * molly pokes geoffrey
  68. # [14:53] <gsnedders> ow.
  69. # [14:53] <molly> well, no, in Far North Queensland I did some trecking - Great Barrier Reef, Daintree, etc.
  70. # [14:54] <Sander> In Auckland, I suspect you'll want to head just a bit east of the CBD to Parnell - it's no Fitzroy, but still good. Also worth taking a ferry to Devonport.
  71. # [14:54] <molly> and had a bit of a stop at Uluru (Ayer's Rock)
  72. # [14:54] <Sander> Wow, that must've been _so_ hot this time of year.
  73. # [14:54] <molly> funniest darned thing, couldn't get wifi in my hotel in Melbourne, but at Ayer's Rock there was connectivity hahaha
  74. # [14:55] <molly> I live in Arizona Sander, and have done for 26 years. This was MILD weather for me :D
  75. # [14:55] <molly> how you going Geoffrey (as they say)
  76. # [14:55] <gsnedders> sleepily.
  77. # [14:56] <molly> isn't it the middle of the day in Scotland?
  78. # [14:56] <gsnedders> yeah
  79. # [14:57] <gsnedders> But what do you expect from me? :)
  80. # [14:57] <molly> brilliance?
  81. # [14:57] <gsnedders> oh shite.
  82. # [14:58] <molly> yeah, better get to work on that
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  84. # [15:23] <molly> ok, must try to get to sleep despite being all too awake at 3:20 a.m.
  85. # [15:23] * molly waves g'night / g'day / etc.
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  110. # [17:47] <anne> I'm not quite sure I get the e-mail from Al Gilman regarding alt="". He first quotes a scenario where it is unlikely that people will be able to provide alternate image text and then never addresses that scenario in anyway other than saying that WCAG 2.0 requires alternate text...
  111. # [17:47] <anne> s/anyway/any way/
  112. # [17:49] <Dashiva> They're saying that scenario will have to accept being invalid, as I understand it
  113. # [17:51] <anne> Well, there are two problems with that: 1) people might stop caring about validation 2) if people do care about validation they might make matter worse
  114. # [17:51] <Dashiva> No need to tell me :)
  115. # [17:53] <hsivonen> I don't like mixing WGAC checking and HTML5 syntax checking
  116. # [17:54] <hsivonen> btw, do we know what the html4all take on http://www.alistapart.com/articles/tohellwithwcag2 is?
  117. # [17:56] <hsivonen> or more to the point, I don't like coupling WCAG checking and HTML5 validity
  118. # [17:56] <hsivonen> I'm OK with checking both in one go if the user asks for it
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  128. # [19:49] <Lachy> the major problem with coupling WCAG checking with HTML5 validity is that WCAG requirements are not effectively checked by a computer anyway. Simply saying yes/no to the presence of alt="" doesn't say anything about whether the value actually enhances accessibility
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  130. # [20:11] <hsivonen> has anyone besides me and fantasai written conformance checker test cases yet?
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