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  22. # [04:33] <Navarr> Brining up the @longdesc topic in chat, I think we should keep it for accessibility reasons, and have it either contain text or point to a url. Think of it this way. @alt is Alternative placeholder text if the image doesn't exist. @title is the tool-tip as a title or helping text, and @longdesc would be a description of the picture for the blind, or something.
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  24. # [04:36] <myakura> what if @longdesc and @alt share the same value? does it really convey something for a11y?
  25. # [04:39] <Navarr> No, it doesn't. And that may be improper use for accessability..
  26. # [04:40] <myakura> yeah
  27. # [04:41] <heycam> http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Bindings/
  28. # [04:41] <myakura> http://194.95.111.244/~countzero/scripts/_myImageFlow/
  29. # [04:41] <heycam> er, ww
  30. # [04:43] <Navarr> myakura: Thats just excessively horrible usage. Whoever wrote that did a really horrible job.
  31. # [05:04] <Zeros> longdesc would potentially contain much longer information
  32. # [05:05] <Zeros> formatted with other tags to convey meaning that can't be embedded inside alt
  33. # [05:05] <Zeros> then again there is <object>
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  35. # [06:01] <Navarr> Zeros: It would be quite difficult to get webmasters to use <object> for images, considering its already hard enough to get them to use @longdesc properly. If <object> was easy, we wouldn't have <video> and <audio>, would we? :-p
  36. # [06:04] <Zeros> Navarr, well, video and audio provide a different kind of API interface too...
  37. # [06:04] <Zeros> but yeah
  38. # [06:04] <Zeros> More interesting to this would be to get someone working inside Government or corp. websites that aren't public where 508 is needed and they might be more likely to use longdesc.
  39. # [06:05] <Navarr> That would proably workk.
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  71. # [12:24] <anne> Julian, in http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/access-control/ I'm currently using RFC 2616 ABNF mostly to ensure that the syntax is compatible with HTTP, but on the HTTP list I've seen that you guys are working on revising that to something else
  72. # [12:24] <Julian> That is correct.
  73. # [12:24] <anne> Should I update it once a new HTTP RFC is issued or should I try to stay in line?
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  75. # [12:25] <Julian> I would recommend to stick with RFC2616 syntax until RFC2616bis is approved by the IESG.
  76. # [12:25] <anne> thanks
  77. # [12:25] <Julian> ...which is planned to happen in something like 1 year from now.
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