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  1. # Session Start: Fri Feb 15 00:00:00 2008
  2. # Session Ident: #html-wg
  3. # [00:01] <Philip> DanC_lap: May I complain gently about the presence of an "&amp;" in a meal-related drop-down box on the jam form?
  4. # [00:02] <DanC_lap> well, I guess you just did
  5. # [00:03] <DanC_lap> I suppose it'll get fixed soonish, but I'm on my way out just now.
  6. # [00:03] <DanC_lap> you can mail sysreq@w3.org if you want more reliability
  7. # [00:03] <DanC_lap> hasta.
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  20. # [01:03] <ChrisWilson> rrsagent, bookmark
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  22. # [01:03] <MattRaymond> How do I join my IRC identity with my phone identity? I forget.
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  24. # [01:04] <ChrisWilson> Zakim, list conferences
  25. # [01:04] <Zakim> I see HTML_WG()7:00PM, WAI_WCAG()3:00PM active and no others scheduled to start in the next 15 minutes
  26. # [01:04] <ChrisWilson> Zakim, this is HTML_WG
  27. # [01:04] <Zakim> ok, ChrisWilson; that matches HTML_WG()7:00PM
  28. # [01:04] <Lachy> Zakim, passcode?
  29. # [01:04] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Lachy
  30. # [01:04] <ChrisWilson> Matt, still hooking it up..
  31. # [01:04] <ChrisWilson> Zakim, who is here?
  32. # [01:04] <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], +1.859.539.aaaa, gshults
  33. # [01:04] <Zakim> On IRC I see gavin_, Zakim, MattRaymond, gshults, Zeros, sbuluf, kwijibo, ChrisWilson, ed, heycam, hober, smedero, shepazu, matt, adele, paullewis, Lachy, Philip, billmason, tH,
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  35. # [01:04] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/02/15-html-wg-irc
  36. # [01:04] <Zakim> ... aroben, Shunsuke, gsnedders, Hixie, anne, Thezilch, jgraham__, Dashiva, xover, drry, jmb, hsivonen, jane, Yudai, krijnh, deltab, trackbot-ng
  37. # [01:04] <ChrisWilson> Zakim, Microsoft is me
  38. # [01:04] <Zakim> +ChrisWilson; got it
  39. # [01:05] <ChrisWilson> Okay Matt, now you can associate.
  40. # [01:05] <aroben> Zakim, regrets
  41. # [01:05] <Zakim> I don't understand 'regrets', aroben
  42. # [01:05] <MattRaymond> I don't remember how.
  43. # [01:05] <ChrisWilson> you're the 859 number?
  44. # [01:05] <MattRaymond> Yes.
  45. # [01:05] <ChrisWilson> Zakim, 1.859.529 is MattRaymond
  46. # [01:05] <Zakim> sorry, ChrisWilson, I do not recognize a party named '1.859.529'
  47. # [01:06] <ChrisWilson> Zakim, 1.859.539.aaaa is MattRaymond
  48. # [01:06] <Zakim> sorry, ChrisWilson, I do not recognize a party named '1.859.539.aaaa'
  49. # [01:06] * Lachy anything interesting on the agenda?
  50. # [01:06] <ChrisWilson> Zakim, 1.859.539 is MattRaymond
  51. # [01:06] <Zakim> sorry, ChrisWilson, I do not recognize a party named '1.859.539'
  52. # [01:06] <ChrisWilson> hmm.
  53. # [01:06] <ChrisWilson> Agenda is at http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda
  54. # [01:06] <MattRaymond> Zakim, +1.859.539.aaaa is MattRaymond
  55. # [01:06] <Zakim> +MattRaymond; got it
  56. # [01:06] <ChrisWilson> ah. Forgot the plus.
  57. # [01:07] <ChrisWilson> Zakim, who is here?
  58. # [01:07] <Zakim> On the phone I see ChrisWilson, MattRaymond, gshults
  59. # [01:07] <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, gavin_, Zakim, MattRaymond, gshults, Zeros, sbuluf, kwijibo, ChrisWilson, ed, heycam, hober, smedero, shepazu, matt, adele, paullewis, Lachy, Philip,
  60. # [01:07] <Zakim> ... billmason, tH, aroben, Shunsuke, gsnedders, Hixie, anne, Thezilch, jgraham__, Dashiva, xover, drry, jmb, hsivonen, jane, Yudai, krijnh, deltab, trackbot-ng
  61. # [01:07] <ChrisWilson> zakim, agenda?
  62. # [01:07] <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
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  65. # [01:08] <ChrisWilson> agenda + review pending review items
  66. # [01:08] * Zakim notes agendum 1 added
  67. # [01:09] <ChrisWilson> agenda + review overdue action items
  68. # [01:09] * Zakim notes agendum 2 added
  69. # [01:09] <ChrisWilson> Any new items for the agenda?
  70. # [01:09] <ChrisWilson> agenda + Discuss release of Android SDK's reference to Ogg Vorbis (Matt)
  71. # [01:09] * Zakim notes agendum 3 added
  72. # [01:10] <ChrisWilson> Any other additional items?
  73. # [01:10] <Lachy> I discussed my action item to prepare the authoring guide with MikeSmith after the telcon about 3 weeks ago. However, I'm a bit delayed with my work on that due to other work committments
  74. # [01:11] * Lachy that's about all I have to say. I don't think I need to bother dialing in today
  75. # [01:11] <ChrisWilson> okay. When would you like to move it to, Lachy?
  76. # [01:12] <Lachy> IIRC, the due date I discussed with Mike was about mid-April, just in time for our next heartbeat requirement
  77. # [01:13] <ChrisWilson> OK.
  78. # [01:13] <Lachy> that should be in previous minutes. I'll look that up later and update the action item
  79. # [01:14] <ChrisWilson> OK. I'll update it if you like
  80. # [01:14] <Lachy> ok
  81. # [01:14] <ChrisWilson> Anyone on IRC know status of Forms TF? (Matt and I were discussing potential new agenda items on the phone)
  82. # [01:14] <ChrisWilson> agenda?
  83. # [01:14] * Zakim sees 3 items remaining on the agenda:
  84. # [01:14] * Zakim 1. review pending review items [from ChrisWilson]
  85. # [01:14] * Zakim 2. review overdue action items [from ChrisWilson]
  86. # [01:14] * Zakim 3. Discuss release of Android SDK's reference to Ogg Vorbis (Matt) [from ChrisWilson]
  87. # [01:15] <Lachy> AFAIK, no progress has been made in the forms task force
  88. # [01:15] <Lachy> the mailing list has been silent for a while
  89. # [01:15] <ChrisWilson> next agendum
  90. # [01:15] * Zakim thinks agendum 1. "review pending review items" taken up [from ChrisWilson]
  91. # [01:16] <ChrisWilson> Yeah, Matt was noticing that.
  92. # [01:16] <ChrisWilson> Can we get a summary next week from either you or Anne?
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  94. # [01:16] <Lachy> Maybe
  95. # [01:17] <ChrisWilson> :) that sounds like a yes.
  96. # [01:17] <Lachy> Anne would be best to give a yes or no, since he's in the TF
  97. # [01:17] <Lachy> but he's not here
  98. # [01:17] <Lachy> but I can discuss it with him tomorrow
  99. # [01:18] <Hixie> i think we can all give a fully accurate summary of all the work the forms task force has done since agreeing to their charter
  100. # [01:18] <Hixie> "nothing"
  101. # [01:18] <ChrisWilson> :)
  102. # [01:18] <Hixie> just look at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms-tf/latest
  103. # [01:18] <ChrisWilson> let's talk next week about directions to go around that, then.
  104. # [01:19] <ChrisWilson> Okay, looking at actions:
  105. # [01:19] <ChrisWilson> ACTION-44 pending review.
  106. # [01:21] <ChrisWilson> Since Julian's not here, skip to ACTION-49
  107. # [01:21] <ChrisWilson> Ian, you answered this question to Dan's satisfaction, so I'm closing this.
  108. # [01:22] <ChrisWilson> On to ACTION-51: Dan to set up a test jam at SXSW
  109. # [01:22] <ChrisWilson> He sent this out earlier today, so closed.
  110. # [01:27] <ChrisWilson> next agendum
  111. # [01:27] * Zakim thinks agendum 2. "review overdue action items" taken up [from ChrisWilson]
  112. # [01:28] <ChrisWilson> ACTION-8, Michael Cooper to discuss role attribute vs. PFWG. Continued.
  113. # [01:29] <ChrisWilson> ACTION-13: Me to talk to WebAPI/WAF WG about their role in offline APIs.
  114. # [01:30] <ChrisWilson> I sent mail on this to them this morning, waiting for response. Continued to next week.
  115. # [01:31] <ChrisWilson> ACTION-23: Gregory to coordinate tests using ARIA
  116. # [01:32] <Hixie> ChrisWilson: do you have a pointer to the mail you sent to the WebAPI/WAF WGs? I'm on both and didn't see anything
  117. # [01:32] <Hixie> and i don't see anything in w3c-archive, w3c-html-wg, or chairs
  118. # [01:33] <ChrisWilson> Sorry, that went to the chairs. Forgot to cc archive, will resend.
  119. # [01:33] <Hixie> ah ok
  120. # [01:33] <Hixie> no worries
  121. # [01:33] <Hixie> just curious
  122. # [01:34] <ChrisWilson> Thoughts on that?
  123. # [01:36] <ChrisWilson> (updated ACTION-23 with Gregory's update - ARIA drafts are now in public space, PFWG meeting this week and discussing test coordination)
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  125. # [01:39] <ChrisWilson> (Matt and I discussing aria role)
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  128. # [01:45] <ChrisWilson> (walking Matt through a bunch of the ARIA discussions over the past couple months)
  129. # [01:53] <ChrisWilson> Okay, on to ACTION-34: Lachy, are you still around?
  130. # [01:53] <Lachy> y
  131. # [01:53] <ChrisWilson> you have an item on preparing the Web developers guide to HTML5 for pub in some way?
  132. # [01:54] <Lachy> yes, that's the one I commented about earlier
  133. # [01:54] <ChrisWilson> Oh, duh. Sorry.
  134. # [01:54] <Lachy> :-)
  135. # [01:54] <ChrisWilson> moving that to mid-april.
  136. # [01:57] <ChrisWilson> ACTION-38: Chairs to review need for amending charter with Director. I haven't seen status from Dan on that.
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  138. # [01:59] <ChrisWilson> ACTION-40: add links to HTML WG home for watching changes to HTML5 spec.
  139. # [02:01] <ChrisWilson> Moving Dan's other due items to next week.
  140. # [02:02] <ChrisWilson> Matt: can we get tools for determining how often markup is used on the web?
  141. # [02:02] <ChrisWilson> Matt: e.g. a tool to determine if particular patterns are heavily used.
  142. # [02:03] <ChrisWilson> Matt: e.g. "how many people use rel=contact and have profile for XFN at the top of their web page"
  143. # [02:04] <ChrisWilson> Matt: if we had a process for obtaining that info, it would be helpful.
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  145. # [02:07] <ChrisWilson> next agendum?
  146. # [02:07] <ChrisWilson> next agendum
  147. # [02:07] * Zakim thinks agendum 3. "Discuss release of Android SDK's reference to Ogg Vorbis (Matt)" taken up [from ChrisWilson]
  148. # [02:08] <ChrisWilson> remanded to next week, I think, as we're over time.
  149. # [02:08] <ChrisWilson> move to adjourn?
  150. # [02:09] <ChrisWilson> adjourned.
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  152. # [02:14] <Zakim> -ChrisWilson
  153. # [02:14] <Zakim> -gshults
  154. # [02:14] <Zakim> -MattRaymond
  155. # [02:14] <Zakim> HTML_WG()7:00PM has ended
  156. # [02:14] <Zakim> Attendees were gshults, ChrisWilson, MattRaymond
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  226. # [16:04] <anne> hmm
  227. # [16:04] <anne> summary on the Forms TF
  228. # [16:04] <anne> i suppose i could do that
  229. # [16:05] <hsivonen> what's the client deployment situation with PICS these days?
  230. # [16:06] <hsivonen> 6% of non-Google Alexa top 500 have a PICS-label
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  233. # [16:31] <hsivonen> The IE Content Advisor seems to be PICS-based
  234. # [16:31] <hsivonen> is the Safari Website Restrictions filter PICS-based when it is in the "Try to limit access to adult websites automatically" mode?
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  236. # [17:07] <anne> e-mailed a Forms TF update
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  238. # [17:14] <Lachy> anne, nice summary of the forms tf
  239. # [17:25] <anne> thx
  240. # [17:25] <anne> i missed the word "know" :(
  241. # [17:38] <Philip> hsivonen: Did you look for a PICS-Label HTTP header too?
  242. # [17:39] <Philip> (http://http-parsing.gsnedders.com/ has that header on about 0.1%)
  243. # [17:40] <Philip> (compared to http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~pjt47/misc/attributes.html having the <meta> version on ~0.5%)
  244. # [17:42] <Philip> (Oops, actually it's 1.2% with <meta> if you ignore case)
  245. # [17:43] <anne> lots of photos of "Paris Web 2007" on flickr are meaninglessly tagged with HTML5
  246. # [17:43] <anne> (and also with "css" and "xhtml")
  247. # [17:43] <Philip> (Argh, I'm rubbish)
  248. # [17:43] <Philip> (It's actually 1.0% of pages)
  249. # [17:44] <Philip> (plus a large margin of error)
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  251. # [17:49] <hsivonen> Philip: I did not
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