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  1. # Session Start: Fri Apr 04 00:00:00 2008
  2. # Session Ident: #html-wg
  3. # [00:11] <DanC> hi smedero
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  5. # [00:12] <smedero> Apologies for missing the telecon earlier... I believe you were looking to catch up with me on issue tracking tasks.
  6. # [00:15] <DanC> IRC is fine; the telcon got filled up with other stuff
  7. # [00:16] <smedero> Yeah, I went back and read through the log for today.
  8. # [00:18] <DanC> I keep wondering whether a distributed extensibility issue is worth adding
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  10. # [00:19] <smedero> Is this in relation to Sam Ruby's thread from a while back?
  11. # [00:19] <smedero> ahh, yes: http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/2007/08/02/HTML5-and-Distributed-Extensibility
  12. # [00:20] <smedero> and at least one follow up from Sam: http://intertwingly.net/blog/2007/11/29/HTML5-needs-a-CarterPhone
  13. # [00:20] <smedero> (using IRC as a cheap delicious at the moment... a new form of lazyness.)
  14. # [00:20] * DanC doesn't think it's laziness
  15. # [00:21] <DanC> well, I see connections between the recent "Exploring new vocabularies for HTML" and /2007/08/02/HTML5-and-Distributed-Extensibility
  16. # [00:22] <smedero> Yeah... it is the whole... "is the issue bigger than SVG/MATHML"? (and even namespaces...)
  17. # [00:25] <DanC> on the one hand, the distributed extensibility problem is very interesting; on the other hand, it's a HUGE design space, and not clearly one that we're chartered to solve
  18. # [00:26] <DanC> adding a distributed extensiblity issue is almost like adding "figure out how people design languages and software together" in our workplan
  19. # [00:27] <Hixie> not only that
  20. # [00:27] <Hixie> figure that out, and then figure out a way to make it work in text/html
  21. # [00:28] <anne> both seem annoying :)
  22. # [00:28] <smedero> we've been kicking this issue around (within this group at least) since at least Boston TPAC: http://www.w3.org/QA/2007/11/tpac-2007-uri-extensibility.html
  23. # [00:29] <smedero> sorry, I'm having to jog my memory a bit on all this.
  24. # [00:32] <DanC> patrick ion seems pretty optimistic about the mathml part of the html-sgv-mathml issue; I observed that the design space looks big and asked how long he thought a good design discussions should take: 3 weeks? 6 months? he said 3 months should produce something good.
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  26. # [00:32] <DanC> when it starts with re-discovering the difference between <script></script> and <script/>, I wonder.
  27. # [00:34] <Hixie> well, the discussions have been going on for 2 years
  28. # [00:34] <Hixie> so we're somewhat over time in that case :-)
  29. # [00:35] <DanC> I think he understood me to ask how long _from now_.
  30. # [00:36] <DanC> I had mentally filed MathML integration as an HTML 6 thingy.
  31. # [00:37] <smedero> http://blogs.msdn.com/dthorpe/archive/2006/12/18/namespaces-in-html-too-much-trouble-to-bother-with.aspx
  32. # [00:38] <Hixie> ah
  33. # [00:38] <Hixie> well it's mostly a solved problem now actually
  34. # [00:38] <Hixie> http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/New_Vocabularies_Solution
  35. # [00:39] <anne> that was in reply to DanC I suppose?
  36. # [00:39] <Hixie> yes
  37. # [00:39] <DanC> I was just looking at http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/New_Vocabularies_Solution , but I can't parse it
  38. # [00:40] <Hixie> yeah it's just in note form really
  39. # [00:40] <Hixie> i'll convert it into a proper proposal in the next few hours
  40. # [00:40] <Hixie> (in the form of a diff against the spec)
  41. # [00:41] <DanC> looks like it might be easier to convert to js or py than english ;-)
  42. # [00:42] <DanC> well, it's interesting to hear that you're confident it can be solved in a tractible amount of time too
  43. # [00:44] <Hixie> yeah, should be mostly done by tomorrow
  44. # [00:44] <anne> are you putting it in the spec?
  45. # [00:44] <Hixie> though i have to do another survey to nail down exactly which html elements need to be hardcoded
  46. # [00:45] <Hixie> anne: unless someone finds a problem with it :-)
  47. # [00:45] <anne> i'm slightly scared with respect to parser changes, but i guess it's fair enough
  48. # [00:47] <anne> though it begs the question, what about the other HTML elements? :)
  49. # [00:48] <Hixie> which others?
  50. # [00:48] <anne> <event-source>, <section>
  51. # [00:48] <Hixie> ah yeah
  52. # [00:48] <Hixie> i should add those now too
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  62. # [01:52] <anne> Hixie, oh, and <ruby> :)
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  64. # [02:02] <Hixie> that's a separate issue
  65. # [02:02] <Hixie> but yes
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  109. # [08:45] <MikeSmith> close issue-40
  110. # [08:45] <MikeSmith> trackbot-ng, close issue-40
  111. # [08:45] <MikeSmith> issue-40?
  112. # [08:45] * trackbot-ng getting information on ISSUE-40
  113. # [08:45] <trackbot-ng> ISSUE-40 -- Definition of the style attribute in HTML 5 -- RAISED
  114. # [08:45] <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/40
  115. # [08:46] <MikeSmith> issue-40?
  116. # [08:46] * trackbot-ng getting information on ISSUE-40
  117. # [08:46] <trackbot-ng> ISSUE-40 -- Definition of the style attribute in HTML 5 -- CLOSED
  118. # [08:46] <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/40
  119. # [08:46] <MikeSmith> trackbot-ng, help
  120. # [08:46] <trackbot-ng> See http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/ for help (use the IRC bot link)
  121. # [08:50] <MikeSmith> trackbot-ng, comment issue-40 mail about this issue is also tracked at http://www.whatwg.org/issues/ in the "rendering-style-attribute" section
  122. # [08:51] <MikeSmith> trackbot-ng, comment issue-38 mail about this issue is also tracked at http://www.whatwg.org/issues/ in the "rendering-style-attribute" section
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  127. # [09:23] * MikeSmith sees no responses at all yet to "IE Team's Feedback on HTML 5.0 DOM Store" message from Sunava
  128. # [09:23] <MikeSmith> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-comments/2008Mar/thread.html#msg15
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  136. # [09:52] <mjs> MikeSmith: I missed that one - will read
  137. # [09:53] <MikeSmith> mjs - thanks
  138. # [09:53] <MikeSmith> you guys have not implemented the name/value storage stuff yet, right?
  139. # [09:54] <mjs> not yet
  140. # [09:56] <mjs> I do wish Microsoft had commented first about their changes/extensions and *then* implemented them, rather than vice versa
  141. # [09:57] <MikeSmith> yeah
  142. # [09:57] <MikeSmith> I wonder if we can convince them about the value of doing that going forward
  143. # [09:58] <MikeSmith> ChrisWilson ?
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  162. # [12:10] <MikeSmith> just had stronger-than-normal earthquake here in Tokyo
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  171. # [12:46] <gsnedders> ChrisWilson: how does <xml> affect Trident as a whole?
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  207. # [15:54] <anne> i wonder why there has been zero activity in the forms tf
  208. # [15:57] <anne> ah, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/ explains
  209. # [15:57] <anne> patting on the back all over there
  210. # [16:00] <hsivonen> it makes no sense to me, that the tacit expectation is replacing an implemented and carefully reviewed spec with a draft-on-a-napkin idea that fits in one email
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  227. # [17:31] <MikeSmith> so message from Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer seems to indicate pretty clearly that his other responsibilities are not going to leave him any time to work on the Forms TF
  228. # [17:34] <MikeSmith> wonder how much time Mark Birbeck will have
  229. # [17:34] <MikeSmith> and/or how much enthusiasm about about the task
  230. # [17:35] <anne> I suppose John Boyer will take over or something
  231. # [17:35] <anne> It's not really clear to me how this will continue
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  233. # [17:42] <fearphage> http://people.opera.com/nicolasm/test/xhr_responseXML.html why should the first case fail?
  234. # [17:42] <fearphage> its served as image/svg+xml and is valid xml
  235. # [17:43] <anne> i think that's a bug in the test, but that's sort of offtopic for this channel :)
  236. # [17:44] <fearphage> ok :)
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