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  16. # [01:07] <MikeSmith> trackbot-ng, start meeting
  17. # [01:07] * trackbot-ng HTML Issue Tracking http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/
  18. # [01:07] * trackbot-ng is starting a teleconference
  19. # [01:07] <trackbot-ng> RRSAgent, make logs public
  20. # [01:07] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot-ng
  21. # [01:07] <trackbot-ng> Zakim, this will be HTML
  22. # [01:07] <Zakim> ok, trackbot-ng, I see HTML_WG()7:00PM already started
  23. # [01:07] <trackbot-ng> Meeting: HTML Issue Tracking Teleconference
  24. # [01:07] <trackbot-ng> Date: 10 April 2008
  25. # [01:08] <MikeSmith> Zakim, who's on the phone?
  26. # [01:08] <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.715.398.aaaa, ??P10
  27. # [01:08] <MikeSmith> Zakim, ??P10 is me
  28. # [01:08] <Zakim> +MikeSmith; got it
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  30. # [01:08] <MikeSmith> Zakim, +1 is Laura
  31. # [01:08] <Zakim> +Laura; got it
  32. # [01:09] <MikeSmith> #html-wg IRC denizens, anybody planning to join the call today?
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  34. # [01:10] <smedero> I can't make the call... will have to follow here.
  35. # [01:10] * anne was planning to go to bed :)
  36. # [01:10] <MikeSmith> smedero, OK
  37. # [01:10] <anne> It's 1AM over here
  38. # [01:10] <MikeSmith> only Laura and I on right now
  39. # [01:10] <MikeSmith> anne: yep
  40. # [01:11] <MikeSmith> we main cancel today, lacking any kind of quorum
  41. # [01:11] <anne> I could join for a few minutes if you think that would help, but cancelling works for me too
  42. # [01:11] <MikeSmith> s/main/may/
  43. # [01:11] <MikeSmith> anne, call in for couple minutes of you can
  44. # [01:11] <MikeSmith> please
  45. # [01:12] <anne> Zakim, passcode?
  46. # [01:12] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), anne
  47. # [01:12] <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda
  48. # [01:12] <Zakim> +Anne_van_Kesteren
  49. # [01:13] <MikeSmith> issue-14?
  50. # [01:13] * trackbot-ng getting information on ISSUE-14
  51. # [01:13] <trackbot-ng> ISSUE-14 -- Integration of WAI-ARIA roles into HTML5 -- OPEN
  52. # [01:13] <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/14
  53. # [01:14] <MikeSmith> scribenick: MikeSmith
  54. # [01:14] <MikeSmith> Topic: convene HTML WG weekly issue-tracking meeting
  55. # [01:14] <smedero> There was a thread ongoing about ARIA this week from: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Apr/0189.html
  56. # [01:15] <smedero> but it was mostly procedure afaik
  57. # [01:15] <MikeSmith> anne: I think that issue-14 was mostly related to the document-level ARIA roles
  58. # [01:15] <MikeSmith> ... hsivonen has posted about this at his site
  59. # [01:16] <anne> http://hsivonen.iki.fi/aria-html5-bis/
  60. # [01:16] <smedero> yes, that's true. it was issue-14 was quite specific....
  61. # [01:16] <smedero> ahh, thanks anne.
  62. # [01:16] <MikeSmith> i/was a thread/Topic: Issue-14 ARIA integration/
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  64. # [01:17] <MikeSmith> anne: I've not been involved in that discussion
  65. # [01:17] <MikeSmith> Laura: me neither
  66. # [01:18] <MikeSmith> [we record that lacking anybody more familiar with the issue, not much point in the 3 of us to try to have a discussion about it]
  67. # [01:19] <MikeSmith> action-54
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  69. # [01:19] <MikeSmith> action-54?
  70. # [01:19] * trackbot-ng getting information on ACTION-54
  71. # [01:19] <trackbot-ng> ACTION-54 -- Gregory Rosmaita to work with SteveF draft text for HTML 5 spec to require producers/authors to include @alt on img elements -- due 2008-04-10 -- OPEN
  72. # [01:19] <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/54
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  74. # [01:19] <MikeSmith> Topic: Action-54 requiring alt attribute on img
  75. # [01:20] <MikeSmith> Laura: Steve Faulkner e-mailed PF/Al Gilman, we (HTML WG) are waiting to hear back from them.
  76. # [01:21] <MikeSmith> action-54?
  77. # [01:21] * trackbot-ng getting information on ACTION-54
  78. # [01:21] <trackbot-ng> ACTION-54 -- Gregory Rosmaita to work with SteveF draft text for HTML 5 spec to require producers/authors to include @alt on img elements -- due 2008-04-17 -- OPEN
  79. # [01:21] <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/54
  80. # [01:21] <MikeSmith> MikeSmith sets the due date to one week from now
  81. # [01:22] <MikeSmith> Topic: Issue-38, Syntax of the style attribute
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  83. # [01:22] <MikeSmith> issue-38?
  84. # [01:22] * trackbot-ng getting information on ISSUE-38
  85. # [01:22] <trackbot-ng> ISSUE-38 -- Syntax of the style attribute -- RAISED
  86. # [01:22] <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/38
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  88. # [01:22] <smedero> (Housekeeping: I updated ISSUE-14 with a note about Henri's latest ARIA/HTML5 article as his piece discusses roles in quite a bit of detail.)
  89. # [01:22] <MikeSmith> anne: I think we will change style to allow authors to use it on every element, not just on font
  90. # [01:22] <MikeSmith> ... the other thing, the way that style is defined, the definition is probably already OK
  91. # [01:23] <MikeSmith> ... or maybe not entirely...
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  94. # [01:25] <MikeSmith> anne: the sentence quoted in that issues does not affect UA implementation behavior
  95. # [01:25] <MikeSmith> ... it only relates to authoring conformance
  96. # [01:25] <MikeSmith> quoting Daniel Glazman's original request:
  97. # [01:25] <MikeSmith> [[
  98. # [01:26] <MikeSmith> The CSS WG would like the definition of the style attribute in
  99. # [01:26] <MikeSmith> HTML 5 to go back to the phrasing of HTML 4, entirely leaving the
  100. # [01:26] <MikeSmith> definition of that attribute's value to the stylesheet's language
  101. # [01:26] <MikeSmith> and error handling. We don't think HTML 5 should define the contents
  102. # [01:26] <MikeSmith> of the style attribute in deeper details than what HTML 4 does,
  103. # [01:26] <MikeSmith> and in particular should not specify how individual stylistic data
  104. # [01:26] <MikeSmith> are separated inside the value of the style attribute.
  105. # [01:26] <MikeSmith> ]]
  106. # [01:26] <anne> "The style attribute, if specified, must contain only a list of zero or more semicolon-separated (;) CSS declarations."
  107. # [01:26] <MikeSmith> above is what HTML5 currently says
  108. # [01:26] <anne> author ^^
  109. # [01:26] <anne> The declarations specified must be parsed and treated as the body of a declaration block whose selector matches just that font element. For the purposes of the CSS cascade, the attribute must be considered to be a 'style' attribute at the author level.
  110. # [01:26] <smedero> anne's comments are related to ISSUE-3
  111. # [01:26] <smedero> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/3
  112. # [01:26] <anne> UA ^^
  113. # [01:27] <anne> no, ISSUE-38 actually
  114. # [01:27] <smedero> well... just getting back to "anne: I think we will change style to allow authors to use it on every element, not just on font"
  115. # [01:27] <anne> ah, sorry :)
  116. # [01:27] <smedero> unless MikeSmith quoted you wrong... that gets to the heart of ISSUE-3
  117. # [01:27] <MikeSmith> anne: the criteria of only allowing zero or more semicolon-separated CSS declarations relates only to authoring conformance
  118. # [01:28] <MikeSmith> anne: issue 3 is that style is only allowed on font, and people want it to global
  119. # [01:29] <MikeSmith> anne: I think that based on the feedback that has come in so far, that part of the HTML5 draft will be revised
  120. # [01:29] <MikeSmith> ... the spec actually already says something along those lines
  121. # [01:29] <MikeSmith> ... that the section will likely be dropped
  122. # [01:30] <anne> http://www.whatwg.org/issues/data.html
  123. # [01:31] <MikeSmith> [[
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  125. # [01:31] <Zakim> -MikeSmith
  126. # [01:31] <Zakim> -Anne_van_Kesteren
  127. # [01:31] <Zakim> -Laura
  128. # [01:31] <Zakim> HTML_WG()7:00PM has ended
  129. # [01:31] <Zakim> Attendees were +1.715.398.aaaa, MikeSmith, Laura, Anne_van_Kesteren
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  131. # [01:33] <MikeSmith> anne notes that above URL is Hixie's graph of number of HTML5 issues over time
  132. # [01:34] <Hixie> number of outstanding e-mails over time, not issues
  133. # [01:34] <Hixie> (though they're correlated)
  134. # [01:34] <MikeSmith> Hixie: OK, thanks
  135. # [01:36] <MikeSmith> currently more that 3000 outstanding e-mails, it seems
  136. # [01:36] <Philip> 3122, says http://www.whatwg.org/issues/data.csv
  137. # [01:36] <MikeSmith> thassa big number
  138. # [01:37] <Philip> It's only a few per day since the start
  139. # [01:37] <Hixie> i'm replying at roughly a rate of 10 a day
  140. # [01:37] * MikeSmith will paste a couple quotes from HTML5 related to <style> before generating the minutes
  141. # [01:37] <Hixie> so we're on track to hit my predicted timetable
  142. # [01:37] <Hixie> (though not to hit the w3c's crazy timetable)
  143. # [01:38] <MikeSmith> Hixie: your timetable has us going to CR in 2009-10, right?
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  145. # [01:38] <MikeSmith> no
  146. # [01:39] <Hixie> haha no
  147. # [01:39] <Hixie> 2012.
  148. # [01:39] <Hixie> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/TIMETABLE
  149. # [01:39] <MikeSmith> Hixie: yeah, sorry, I meant first LC in 2009-10
  150. # [01:39] <Hixie> yeah
  151. # [01:40] <MikeSmith> OK
  152. # [01:40] <MikeSmith> getting back to issue-3 and issue-38, a couple of relevant quotes from the HTML5 draft:
  153. # [01:40] <MikeSmith> [[
  154. # [01:40] <MikeSmith> This entire section will probably be dropped. The intent of this section was to allow a way for WYSIWYG editors, which don't have enough information to use the "real" "semantic" elements, to still make HTML pages without abusing those semantic elements (since abusing elements is even worse than not using them in the first place). We have still got to find a solution to this, while not letting it be ok for hand-coding authors to abuse the style="" att
  155. # [01:40] <MikeSmith> ribute.
  156. # [01:40] <MikeSmith> ]]
  157. # [01:40] <MikeSmith> [[
  158. # [01:40] <MikeSmith> We probably need to move this attribute to more elements, maybe even all of them, though if we do that we really should find a way to strongly discourage its use (and the use of its DOM attribute) for non-WYSIWYG authors.
  159. # [01:41] <MikeSmith> ]]
  160. # [01:41] <MikeSmith> Hixie: do you have anything to add at this point to discussion around issue-38?
  161. # [01:42] <Hixie> which one is -38? the style="" issue w.r.t. to how its contents will be defined?
  162. # [01:42] <MikeSmith> (which is Daniel Glazman's request about HTML5 spec for style)
  163. # [01:42] <MikeSmith> Hixie: yeah
  164. # [01:42] <Hixie> yeah i've every intention of just doing what he suggested and moving on
  165. # [01:43] <MikeSmith> OK, great
  166. # [01:43] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent: make minutes
  167. # [01:43] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/10-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
  168. # [01:43] <smedero> sounds like both ISSUE-3 and ISSUE-38 will be resolved shortly then. yay.
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  170. # [01:44] <MikeSmith> yep, yay in general for resolving any open issues
  171. # [01:44] <smedero> basically
  172. # [01:44] <Hixie> "shortly", i dunno
  173. # [01:44] <Hixie> depends when i get to style=""
  174. # [01:44] <smedero> heh, okay
  175. # [01:44] <smedero> that's fair
  176. # [01:44] <Hixie> might not be until 2009 :-)
  177. # [01:45] <MikeSmith> well, resolved at least that we have on record what the plan is
  178. # [01:45] <smedero> yeah,
  179. # [01:45] <smedero> that's what I meant.
  180. # [01:45] <MikeSmith> so sufficient for closing it out, I think
  181. # [01:46] <MikeSmith> Present: LauraCarlson, AnneVanKesteren, MikeSmith
  182. # [01:48] <MikeSmith> (me notes that for the telcon "Present" part, he's recording just who was on the call; though recognizing that smedero, Hixie, Philip were here on IRC)
  183. # [01:49] <MikeSmith> Chair: MikeSmith
  184. # [01:49] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  185. # [01:49] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/10-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
  186. # [01:50] <MikeSmith> Regrets: ChrisWilson
  187. # [01:50] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  188. # [01:50] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/10-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
  189. # [01:50] <Philip> MikeSmith: I was here but I never said anything
  190. # [01:50] <Philip> Oh, actually, I did say something
  191. # [01:50] <Philip> but not anything interesting
  192. # [01:50] <MikeSmith> heh
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  194. # [01:53] <MikeSmith> Topic: Hixie's issues graph
  195. # [01:53] * MikeSmith will move that part around when he edits the minutes
  196. # [01:53] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  197. # [01:53] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/10-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
  198. # [01:54] <MikeSmith> @@FIXME@@ ... move link to graph here
  199. # [01:54] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  200. # [01:54] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/10-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
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  279. # [16:12] <aaronlev> davidb: thanks for creating #aria
  280. # [16:12] <davidb> aaronlev: np
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  313. # [18:34] <aaronlev> we have set up a public channel for wai-aria discussions --it's now called #wai-aria
  314. # [18:35] <aaronlev> (not #aria)
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  326. # [19:50] <DanC> I think when I was chairing the 21 Feb telcon, I confused the alt issue with something else. oops.
  327. # [19:50] <DanC> I wonder why it's taking so long for Steven Faulkner to draft text
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