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  27. # [03:42] <MikeSmith> so title is required on abbr now?
  28. # [03:42] <MikeSmith> oops, no, sorry
  29. # [03:42] * MikeSmith actually reads
  30. # [03:43] <MikeSmith> hmm, actually, looks like it is required
  31. # [03:45] <MikeSmith> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/section-text-level.html#the-abbr
  32. # [03:45] <Hixie> yup
  33. # [03:46] <MikeSmith> k
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  83. # [11:42] <dbaron> So how did a thread about a general principle get turned back into a thread about the specific issue that started the discussion?
  84. # [11:42] <dbaron> Could people *please* use appropriate subject lines?
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  86. # [11:44] <Hixie> it was always intended to be about that specific issue
  87. # [11:44] <Hixie> though i read it like you originally
  88. # [11:44] <Hixie> (because i skipped over hsivonen's quoting of the earlier change)
  89. # [11:45] <Hixie> (note that the issue has been resolved now.)
  90. # [11:45] <Hixie> (the spec now recommends a pref, not a default)
  91. # [11:46] <dbaron> I thought, given the subject, that it was intended to be about the general principle
  92. # [11:47] <Hixie> me too
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  95. # [11:49] <Lachy> dbaron, in the general case, wherever authors have been observed to do whatever they can to force certain behaviour in spite of any number of reasons they shouldn't, it's often better to let them get away with it in the least harmful way possible, then to try and prevent it completely
  96. # [11:49] <Hixie> as mjs pointed out, that's not always true
  97. # [11:50] <Hixie> e.g. 3rd party cookies in safari block even the doubleclick/paypal insanity
  98. # [11:52] <Lachy> Hixie, sure, there are exceptions in the case of security and privacy issues
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