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  112. # [12:30] <MikeSmith> hsivonen, anne:
  113. # [12:30] <anne> yo
  114. # [12:30] <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/QA/2008/05/syntax_for_aria_costbenefit_an.html
  115. # [12:30] <MikeSmith> ↑
  116. # [12:32] <anne> he still seems to miss the point about DOM consistency and all
  117. # [12:32] <anne> and having different syntaxes for text/html and application/xml
  118. # [12:33] <anne> whatever way you put it, foo:disabled in text/html is entirely different from the same in XML
  119. # [12:46] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: note #0 s very telling
  120. # [12:46] <hsivonen> is
  121. # [12:47] <hsivonen> I think zcorpan's thes material was fine
  122. # [12:47] <anne> he also forgets to mention that in XML you need some xmlns:* in scope for a colon to work at all...
  123. # [12:48] <anne> and he has this assumption that ARIA is somehow not a special case but one of the millions of vocabularies UAs will be implementing in the next ten years
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  126. # [12:51] <hsivonen> Uniform DOM access for colon seems wrong
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  129. # [12:51] <Dashiva> hsivonen: He might assume xmlns support in HTML
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  133. # [13:08] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: true (about note #0)
  134. # [13:12] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: anyway, would be good if you have time to post some comments there
  135. # [13:13] <MikeSmith> Henry has put a lot of time into this, and part of the point of blogging it was to try to get some wider public comment on it
  136. # [13:13] <MikeSmith> (wider than just the discussion we've had so far on our mailing lists)
  137. # [13:13] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: I'm *really* tired of explaining this again :-(
  138. # [13:14] <MikeSmith> cut and paste ?
  139. # [13:14] <hsivonen> could work
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  141. # [13:19] <hsivonen> anne: if you feel more inclined to repaint the bikeshed, please go ahead
  142. # [13:20] * MikeSmith looks around for zcorpan
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  147. # [13:23] <hsivonen> looks like the settlers used namespaces, but having namespaces sucks compared to unique city names
  148. # [13:24] <hsivonen> (in reference to the Fire Eagle talk)
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  172. # [15:49] * zcorpan just read the logs
  173. # [15:49] <zcorpan> i don't understand his motivation
  174. # [15:51] <zcorpan> i'm not worried about implementations swaying away from the dash at this point, and i think i've spent way too much time on this, so it doesn't seem very compelling for me to write a useful comment on the blog post
  175. # [15:52] <zcorpan> other than pointing to my emails on the list, maybe; if someone cares enough to do so, feel free :)
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  179. # [16:31] <zcorpan> MikeSmith: see log
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  181. # [16:35] <MikeSmith> zcorpan: OK, looking now
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  184. # [16:39] <MikeSmith> I see that anne's lightning-talk slides say that HTML5 is a multi-group effort between the WHATWG and W3C
  185. # [16:41] <MikeSmith> but seems to me that rather than "multi-group", would be better to saying something that makes it more clear that the groups are "interleaved" (or something like that)
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  187. # [16:41] <MikeSmith> since many of the people who are the most active in the HTML WG are also involved in WHATWG
  188. # [16:42] <MikeSmith> that is, it's not really two different completely groups of people
  189. # [16:42] <MikeSmith> anyway..
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  197. # [17:41] <DanC> hmm... has anybody integrated the stability info in the HTML 5 draft into the TOC?
  198. # [17:42] <Philip> DanC: As far as I'm aware, no
  199. # [17:43] <Philip> I'm not sure how hard it'd be to do something with http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/status.cgi?action=get-all-annotations to get a reasonable presentation
  200. # [17:44] * DanC is having trouble finding the stability info now that he's looking for it
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  202. # [17:45] <Philip> DanC: Like the "Last call for comments" box on http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/section-the-canvas.html ?
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  204. # [17:47] <DanC> I guess so... where does that live in SVN?
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  206. # [17:48] <Philip> DanC: I'm not sure which "that" you're referring to
  207. # [17:49] <DanC> where does the data about status, implementations, tests appear in SVN?
  208. # [17:49] * DanC is looking...
  209. # [17:49] <Philip> Ah - it does't
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  211. # [17:49] <Philip> *doesn't
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  213. # [17:49] <DanC> ?!
  214. # [17:49] <DanC> umm... how does it get changed?
  215. # [17:49] <Philip> It's just in a database on whatwg.org somewhere, I believe
  216. # [17:50] <Philip> It gets changed through a CGI script
  217. # [17:50] <Philip> Log in and double-click a status box to edit it
  218. # [17:51] <DanC> ok, so if I want all of it, that ...get-all-annotations resource is the way to go?
  219. # [17:51] * DanC looks at http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/status.js
  220. # [17:51] <Philip> Yep
  221. # [17:52] <Philip> s/Log in/Log in (with something that isn't Opera, because it doesn't work in that)/
  222. # [17:54] <Philip> s/double-click/double-click with the alt key pressed (or if you, like me (in defaultish KDE), have alt+click bound to some window manager command, then shift+alt+double-click or something)/
  223. # [17:55] <Philip> Not exactly the smoothest system in existence, I must say
  224. # [17:55] <DanC> I don't see a status box when I visit http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/section-content-type-sniffing.html#content-type-sniffing
  225. # [17:56] <Philip> That seems to be because there isn't one
  226. # [17:56] <Philip> Log in and shift-double-click on the section to add the status information :-)
  227. # [17:56] <Philip> s/shift/alt/
  228. # [17:56] <DanC> is there a default?
  229. # [17:57] <DanC> anyway... I see http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/section-parsing.html#parsing is in LC
  230. # [17:57] <Philip> The default is to not have any status annotation data/box
  231. # [17:59] * DanC wonders why his office is so cold today...
  232. # [18:00] * Philip is pleasantly cool despite the unusually hot 22'C outside
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  249. # [18:20] <gsnedders> Philip: Don't get an aga. Then it becomes uncomfortably hot :)
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  253. # [18:56] <anne> 41, fun
  254. # [18:56] * anne wonders if he should raise 42
  255. # [18:56] <anne> "HTML5 does not explain the question to which the answer is 42"
  256. # [18:56] <gsnedders> anne: ^*9?
  257. # [18:56] <gsnedders> *6
  258. # [18:57] <gsnedders> six times nine is forty-two, no matter what anyone says.
  259. # [18:57] <anne> in base 13
  260. # [18:58] <Philip> And in little-endian base 25
  261. # [19:00] * gsnedders never knew the latter o those two
  262. # [19:00] <gsnedders> s/o/of/
  263. # [19:00] * gsnedders can't type
  264. # [19:01] <Philip> I never knew it either
  265. # [19:01] <Philip> It might not even be true - my calculator doesn't do base 25 so I couldn't check
  266. # [19:03] <DanC> there... TOC with status info mixed in ... http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/toc-status.html
  267. # [19:04] <DanC> anne, the TAG retired issue #42 in memory of Douglas Adams in 2003. http://www.w3.org/2003/11/15-tag-summary#uq
  268. # [19:04] <DanC> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/42
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  272. # [19:11] <anne> DanC, is that toc status thingie based on the WHATWG status tracker in some way?
  273. # [19:11] <DanC> yes; see ./Makefile
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  275. # [19:13] <DanC> the toc-status.html thingy is pretty goofy... the <li>s don't seem to be nested... but it has the basic info
  276. # [19:13] <MikeSmith> issue-41?
  277. # [19:13] * trackbot-ng getting information on ISSUE-41
  278. # [19:13] <trackbot-ng> ISSUE-41 -- Decentralized extensibility -- RAISED
  279. # [19:13] <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/41
  280. # [19:13] <anne> DanC, nice
  281. # [19:13] <MikeSmith> issue-42?
  282. # [19:13] * trackbot-ng getting information on ISSUE-42
  283. # [19:13] <trackbot-ng> ISSUE-42 does not exists
  284. # [19:15] <Philip> DanC: It seems to get a little confused on e.g. 3.2.3 Numbers, and puts the "FD" after all that section's children instead of associating it with the section
  285. # [19:16] <DanC> ah. good catch.
  286. # [19:40] <DanC> ok... something of a kludge... moved the "FD" to before the content and children: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/toc-status.html
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  291. # [20:19] <Philip> DanC: Looks good to me now :-)
  292. # [20:20] <DanC> thanks for the clues on how to do it
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